Does NIL Effectively Eliminate the 85 Scholarship Cap Rule

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NIL is basically meaningless. What is going on is simple pay to play. If a player gets money for going to a school to play what exactly is the NCAA going to do? NOTHING.

Now, as to the topic, this is what I suggested 6+ months ago. Anyone that wants to pay players, can pay for school fees and the players could be a walk-on. This would also find away around the 25 type rules as well.
 
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sjt18 said:
Serious question deserves serious discussion.

I'm not sure but it seems like that would be a pretty wide open loop hole. You could soon see all 5* players signing as preferred walk ons... with million dollar NIL deals already inked.
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A “ Wild West” scenario..??
ABSOLUTELY and since the court’s decision on money going to athletes came down the way it did, neither the universities nor the NCAA will be able to have much input.
 
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guido4198 said:
A “ Wild West” scenario..??
ABSOLUTELY and since the court’s decision on money going to athletes came down the way it did, neither the universities nor the NCAA will be able to have much input.
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Other than lowering the total roster allowance... I'm not sure how it can be controlled either.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I don’t see it happening. For one, any player worth a Mil NIL will get it wherever they go. Why not get the free scholly on top of that?

Kid would REEEAAAALLLLY want to play for X school and help the team with an extra scholly to take such a deal.

Not to mention, there won’t be that many million dollar NIL deals for kids coming out of high school. Those will be rare and after this initial phase those will probably shake out only for upper classmen who have proven themselves.
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Not to be argumentative, but I believe that the NIL(salary) will be determined by the number of stars behind the name.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
African swallows are not migratory so they could not carry a coconut to a temperate zone.
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Are you suggesting that an African Swallow can carry a coconut in a non-temperate climate? That would be 38 times it's body weight.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
in the pre-Madonna days, all pocket presents were considered french benefits. If you had a posable thumb, you could cut off your nose despite your face. In lame man's terms, it's a doggy-dog world.

For all intensive purposes, anyway.
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Yeah I laughed pretty hard at this.
 
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guido4198 said:
A “ Wild West” scenario..??
ABSOLUTELY and since the court’s decision on money going to athletes came down the way it did, neither the universities nor the NCAA will be able to have much input.
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My reading of the SC decision and the lower court decision is that schools most probably could setup their own restrictions, and individual conferences as well. As long as they don't control the market i.e. monopoly. Although, the ruling doesn't say the NCAA is precluded from enforcing rules as far as compensation they basically gave the green light to additional litigation. The problem with the individual schools and conferences setting up their own rules is that a good portion of them are precluded from doing so under State Law now.

Realistically there is no organizational body that can have rules and enforcement of those rules at this time.
 
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Volfan1000 said:
This NIL situation will make the college athletes feel like pros with some extra cash lining their pockets.
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It's the end of college football - and possibly college basketball. But the people who clamored for it never cared about that to begin with.
 
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Voltopia said:
It's the end of college football - and possibly college basketball. But the people who clamored for it never cared about that to begin with.
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The schools brought this upon themselves to a large degree. Its not about "clamoring" for it or not, its about providing people the ability to compete and earn money. College sports has been ruined by the colleges.

I'm not sure why the colleges should operate any differently than everyone else, and yes, I think the pro-sport exemptions to anti-trust should go as well.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The schools brought this upon themselves to a large degree. Its not about "clamoring" for it or not, its about providing people the ability to compete and earn money. College sports has been ruined by the colleges.
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The schools exacerbated the situation by pursuing the television money, but there was nothing wrong with the concept of amateurism before it was defaced. The sport as it once existed was sustainable, but what ESPN has fashioned college sports into is not - and they have clamored for these "improvements" all the way to the hole they'll bury football in.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
I'm suggesting two swallows can carry a coconut together.
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Well sure...two swallows carrying one coconut would each have to flap their wings at 111.8 beats/second, assuming weight and constant flight velocity are proportional and that the line holding the coconut was weightless. Seems easy enough
 
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Voltopia said:
the concept of amateurism before it was defaced.
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So amateur sports is when kids gets food, housing, scholarships, strip-ends etc. as long the NCAA thinks its okay? But if someone (third party) gives them something than they are no longer amateurs?

Let me break it to you, "amateur" is not a legal term. Its a made up term used by schools to make them billions at the expense of others. The NCAA/Schools are lucky they are not under criminal indictment, they basically admitted to what is a crime under Federal law and probably under all Law of the 50 States.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Well sure...two swallows carrying one coconut would each have to flap their wings at 111.8 beats/second, assuming weight and constant flight velocity are proportional and that the line holding the coconut was weightless. Seems easy enough
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They would just use a strand of creeper held under the dorsal guiding feathers.
 
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guido4198 said:
A “ Wild West” scenario..??
ABSOLUTELY and since the court’s decision on money going to athletes came down the way it did, neither the universities nor the NCAA will be able to have much input.
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This may have been mentioned on another thread, but the most blatant case I have seen is a couple of days ago it was announced that...

"Every Texas Longhorns offensive lineman on scholarship will get $50,000 annually for use of their name, image and likeness to support charitable causes, a new nonprofit entity announced Monday. Horns with Heart said "The Pancake Factory" program would start in August 2022. The organization said it hopes to expand the program to other football position groups and Longhorns athletes in the future. The name comes from the "pancake" blocks linemen sometimes do during play. The Horns with Heart announcement said the group was founded by six Texas alumni and supporters "with experience across multiple industries and disciplines to make a positive impact on local communities" but did not say who they are. Horns With Heart did not immediately respond to an email request for comment."

Wait, I'm wrong. I now see that this is to make a positive impact on local communities. I thought it was to attract five star football players.
 
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sjt18 said:
Serious question deserves serious discussion.

I'm not sure but it seems like that would be a pretty wide open loop hole. You could soon see all 5* players signing as preferred walk ons... with million dollar NIL deals already inked.
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Why would anyone give a million to a player who hasnt produced anything? 5 star players bust and the return on investment would be terrible.....people with a million didnt get there by making poor decisions....
 
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jmacvols1 said:
I'm suggesting two swallows can carry a coconut together.
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Jax_Vol said:
Well sure...two swallows carrying one coconut would each have to flap their wings at 111.8 beats/second, assuming weight and constant flight velocity are proportional and that the line holding the coconut was weightless. Seems easy enough
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I think after two swallows of my coconut (if I had anything left), it would migrate to the available wide-open loop hole. Not sure this wizard could flap over 100 beats per second anymore but my staff can certainly still do magic.
 
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sjt18 said:
Other than lowering the total roster allowance... I'm not sure how it can be controlled either.
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IMHO this is the key point. NCAA still controls the competitive rules - e.g., football teams playing in the NCAA have a roster limit. They just cannot regulate whether the athlete profits from his likeness.

I think within their control of competition, NCAA could also make some changes to encourage parity (if they wanted to do so) - e.g., limits on transfers to teams that appeared in the prior years playoff.
 
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