Does Heupel reel in Arch Manning?

#51
#51
This really depends. If his Offense is successful and we are top 4 in SEC and one of our QBs has a good season (300+ YPG) you can see elite QBs wanting to come. I really think it depends.

Also, are the Mannings fans of Kiffin? I really don't know.
 
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Given our luck the past 10 years Saban will hire some qb guru as an offensive consultant that draws him to Bama. Peyton shows up to Bama football games wearing crimson. Vols football gets the death penalty and there is a covid-23 that wrecks havoc on the world. If any of those things does not happen then it will have exceeded my expectations.
 
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It's an interesting question, the Cutcliffe-Manning one.

David is 66 years old. When Arch graduates from high school, he'll be coming up on his 69th birthday.

Will David commit to staying another four years so Arch has stability? And can he guarantee a solid offensive line and protection package, so that Arch isn't at greater-than-normal risk of injury? If so, I think Duke gets a young gunslinger. The Cutcliffe-Manning ties are just that strong.

But if that doesn't work out for any reason, if David has a health issue he really needs to pay attention to, or is just ready to sit back on his porch for a change, or the Duke roster's big uglies don't look up to the job, Duke is out.

So then where?

Arch doesn't need a championship-winning program, a Bama or Clemson or Ohio State. In fact, landing in a QB room that's already full of other 5-stars complicates things unnecessarily. Not that Arch couldn't win the starting job, just that he might get stuck for a couple of years behind another fellow with a hot hand. Arch wants to be the starter certainly by the start of his sophomore year.

So he doesn't necessarily want a Top 5 program, but he does need a place where he can (1) develop his skill sets to the next level, and (2) display his talents on the national stage. The first one means a place with a QB whisperer style head coach and/or OC. The second one means, really, anything in Division I. It doesn't have to be an FBS program, though that helps. Stars can appear at places like Utah (Alex Smith), Delaware (Joe Flacco), or Eastern Illinois (Tony Romo). But, ideally, I'd think Arch would want to be at a Power 5 program. And family ties argue (mildly) in favor of the SEC. That last bit depends on whether Arch sees himself as a tradition-follower or a bit of a family rebel (Peyton was a bit of a rebel, Eli was a traditionalist).

That was a lot of words. And they don't really narrow the possibilities down very much. But they do say this: the door is not closed for Tennessee. We have two seasons to (a) get past all significant NCAA penalties, (b) become a winning program, winning enough to provide the stage, and (c) have our head coach and OC prove they're really good with QBs.

So if one of our lads lining up behind the center start lighting things up in 2021, and especially 2022, I think we've got as good a shot as anyone at Arch. Unless Duke and Cutcliffe are flexing for him. Then all bets are off.

Go Vols!
 
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VaBornVol said:
I don’t think so, college is a stepping stone in the Manning Legacy, the NFL is the end game. No way Arch goes anywhere that’s not going to get him 100% NFL ready, which is why I think Cutcliffe isn’t out of the picture. I think that family would rather he go to Duke and be NFL prepared than go to a school where he puts up a ton of numbers (a la Jimmy Clausen). I highly doubt Eli went to Ole Miss with Cut thinking he was going to win a Championship
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Maybe not completely out of the picture, but Cutcliffe will be 70 when Arch enrolls. Doubt Cutcliffe coaches until he's 74.
 
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AurantiacoFan said:
I bet since the age of 11 or 12, Arch Manning has been saying you know who I want to play for? Josh Heupel.
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I can assure you he wasn't saying I want to Qb under Pruitt's offensive steamroller. By the way, quarterbacks want to play under a system that lets them show their skills and that is what he has proven to do at each stop. Everybody talks about Kiffin as a qb genius, what elite qb's has he developed? He did a great job with Crompton but he didn't make it to the next level. Matt Leinart had great success at USC but Kiffin didn't become the passing game coordinator until 2004 along with Steve Sarkisian and Norm Chow. Matt Barkley? I guess but he never lived up to his hype. People criticize programs like UCF but they have put more relevant talent into the NFL than a lot of SEC programs over the last few years.
 
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I'd imagine Arch going to Ole Miss to play for Lane unless Heupel can develop Bailey/Salter into an All-American type of QB. I suppose Duke is also in play since they have Cutcliffe, but he could retire any time and the game is likely passing him by.
 
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Reflect back to Peyton's recruitment. Had his brother not been injured he would have been at Ole Miss. Peyton was mature beyond his years and he came from a great family that trusted Peyton to make the right decision. Arch and Olivia I'm sure wanted to be comfortable in entrusting their son to a person that was not only going to develop him into the QB he could become but who was going to look after and guide him like a surrogate parent. That person was David Cutcliff and we all know how the rest of the story unfolded. We now have a former QB who was talented enough to finish 2nd in the Heisman, who is offensive minded and creative and who has had success in adapting to the new landscape of college football. On top of that, he apparently is man of character as well. If all things fall into place, we could be looking at the second coming of Peyton. I do not see Arch's parents entrusting him to Lane.
 
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AstonRoyal said:
I doubt it but we'll see

Don't forget a big reason peyton came to ut was because of Cutcliffe and the same goes for Eli to Ole Miss. I'm sure the family is going to advise him to select his school based on the Offensive Coordinator or position coach, so I guess it'll depend on who we hire there.
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I mean Ole Miss was always going to be towards the top of the list for Eli, just like it was for Peyton, but yes I'd say Cutcliffe coming on board sealed the deal. Ole Miss will likely be in it till the end for Arch as well.
 
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Guys there is very little connection between Arch Manning and Tennessee. Peyton came to Tennessee because they were a top programs at the time we were recruiting him and he enjoyed the atmosphere. Tennessee is NOT a top program. The Manning family has their connections to Ole Miss. If Arxh doesn't go there, they will likely go to a top program now such as Alabama, LSU, or Oklahoma which are teams Arch has expressed interest in.
 
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Josh Huepel bringing his OC with him. Brandon told me this morning he is on a plane as we speak. UCF players are pissed those coaches are scumbags for not letting the players know whats going on. The players been calling the OC since yesterday and he hasn't returned not one phone call. Lol I think they will do well at Tennessee but what they did those kids at UCF is wrong.
 
#66
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We got 2, maybe even 3 years before Arch Manning makes a decision on where he's playing college ball.
Hopefully by then Josh Heupel and Jeff Lebby (fingers crossed) have shown they are developing QBs into number 1 draft prospects behind an offense that is the best the college level has ever seen.

That said, knowing how the Mannings operate publicly and seeing the character of the entire family, that is going to be a huge factor. Arch will want to play somewhere he feels like family, somewhere that is doing everything the right way, somewhere that everyone is pulling in one direction as a team...from all accounts Josh Heupel is getting ready to turn Tennessee into that kind of place.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Guys there is very little connection between Arch Manning and Tennessee. Peyton came to Tennessee because they were a top programs at the time we were recruiting him and he enjoyed the atmosphere. Tennessee is NOT a top program. The Manning family has their connections to Ole Miss. If Arxh doesn't go there, they will likely go to a top program now such as Alabama, LSU, or Oklahoma which are teams Arch has expressed interest in.
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I think our AD's family and the manning family actually have a lot of connections....

Tennessee's Danny White part of First Family of College ADs - Sports Illustrated

"While in New Orleans, the White family grew close to Archie Manning and his family. In fact, the Manning and White kids, around the same age, would sometimes play together. Still to this day, Kevin and Archie are friends. Danny stays in touch with the Manning kids, one of who is, of course, Tennessee legend Peyton. "
 
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Arch will go to Georgia.
Kirby will stack yet another 5* QB in his cupboard
(Note: just added Gunnar Stockton today if you weren’t watching - 2022 5* DT QB)
 
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TartanTurff said:
If Kiffin is still at Ole Miss, I suspect the Rebels will house the 3rd generation of the Manning clan, particularly if it is a wide open we are hanging 60 on you type of offense
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Well....as of right now Heupel has hung 104 points on Kiffin to his 50 on Heupel. He's beat his face in twice. He took Sam Bradford with like 4 offers out of high school to becoming a Heisman Trophy winner, 1st overall pick in the NFL Draft, and being part of one of the most potent offenses in college football history at OU. He turned Drew Locke into a 2nd round NFL Draft Pick.

Will we get him? Possibly....maybe? Would he learn a ton from being here under Heupel....absolutely. The man can coach QBs...being a former elite QB himself.
 
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