Does Hastert Eventually Step Down?

[Vol423]

Wrong!

"Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitutes sexual harassment when submission to or rejection of this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual's employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual's work performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment."

If one single page states that these sexual advances were unwelcome, then you have 100% proof of sexual harrassment because this part: "creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment" is all in the kid's head. It can't be disproved. If the page claims it, then it is assumed to be true.

As long as no page comes forth and claims that the advances were unwanted, then Foley just goes out as a first class idiot. However, I seriously doubt that will be the case.

 

[therealUT]

It can't be proved either...I guess the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" is lost on you.

Or here is another concept, "you can't prove a negative."

 

[Vol423]

It can't be proved either...I guess the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" is lost on you.

Or here is another concept, "you can't prove a negative."

I hate to break it to you, but this is precisely why lawyers that provide sexual harrassment training for corporations tell you to just not let the inappropriate behavior happen in the first place. If someone can verifiably document that inappropriate behavior occurred, and they claim that it made the work environment hostile, then they will win a court battle. You can argue that isn't fair, but that's the way it is.

 

[therealUT]

I am glad that you have now changed what you are arguing.

 

[Vol423]

I am glad that you have now changed what you are arguing.

I haven't changed my argument. They have documented proof of inappropriate behavior. If a page comes forward and claims that the inappropriate behavior was unwarranted, then Foley is toast if charges are filed.

 

[therealUT]

That is a big "if." Also, Foley has already resigned, so how will he be toast?

 

[therealUT]

And more, from the EEOC:

It is helpful for the victim to directly inform the harasser that the conduct is unwelcome and must stop. The victim should use any employer complaint mechanism or grievance system available.
When investigating allegations of sexual harassment, EEOC looks at the whole record: the circumstances, such as the nature of the sexual advances, and the context in which the alleged incidents occurred. A determination on the allegations is made from the facts on a case-by-case basis.

I doubt you will find any documentation of the victim telling anyone that they felt uncomfortable or that the advances were unwanted.

 

[Vol423]

And more, from the EEOC:

I doubt you will find any documentation of the victim telling anyone that they felt uncomfortable or that the advances were unwanted.

You will notice that it said "helpful" but didn't say that it was required.

Look, I'm not saying that Foley will be found guilty. I'm saying that if a page did come forward that I think that he would be found guilty. There is a big difference. I seriously doubt that any of the pages will come forward simply due to the fact that I seriously doubt that whether the pages are straight or gay that they would want to have their names dragged through the press and associated with this event for the rest of the their lives. That's a big plus for Foley.

 

[therealUT]

Then that is their loss. Also, Foley's career is over, I do not think anything will be "a big plus" for him.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Hastert takes blame for page scandal - Politics - MSNBC.com

WASHINGTON - House Speaker Dennis Hastert apologized and took responsibility on Thursday for the unfolding page sex scandal involving fellow Republican Mark Foley.
“I’m deeply sorry this has happened and the bottom line is we’re taking responsibility,” Hastert said at a news conference outside his district office in Batavia, Ill.