Does Dobbs make our OL better?

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Slydell said:
As has already been posted by several posters, the O line did not get better. When the D line knows that a QB is going to drop back and pass the majority of the time, it's a minus for the O line. With Dobbs athleticism and abilities, the D line has to guess which puts the O line on a more positive footing. It allows for more aggressive play calling. As one, or more, journalist put it, the good is that the O line is returning; the bad is that the O line is returning. I think that if we have aggressive play calling on O and D, this could be a magical season. Some/many are worried about Dobbs getting hurt and going down. After watching him take hits last season, only some weird freak of nature hit is going to hurt him. His running alone shows he knows how to take a hit and keep on ticking.
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Was Jones' plan to sacrifice the season?
 
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You know what: if I'm Debord and the Vols face a crucial third and 2, or fourth and 2, I run Dobbs on a run/pass rollout or sweep or somesuch almost every time. That is your BEST chance of success. Florida ran Tebow almost every time they needed a first down, and they almost always got it. Granted, Tebow is much bigger than Dobbs and ran mostly inside or off tackle, but you are still giving yourself an extra blogger and letting a good runner try to get the yardage. The odds are a lot better than just handing off to a RB and hope one of your offensive linemen doesn't get beat. In 1999, had we run Tee Martin on our last offensive possession, needing three yards on first, third down, and then on fourth down, we would have won that game. Instead, we gave it to Lewis twice and he got stuffed twice because they knew Lewis was getting the ball. If you got a QB who can run, you let him run in big spots.
 
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UNAVol89 said:
He doesn't make them better per se, he just makes them look better with his ability to escape.
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Indeed, he can't help with those 3rd and 2yds or 4th and 1yd, nor those lead blocks to clear Hurd and Kamara, but he does make them look better....
 
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Another secondary (not primary) factor that he may give to the OL ... more confidence that the O can get the job done with JD in there now.
 
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Volz4lif3 said:
It's all about Pocket Presents and Dobbs has it..
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As smart as he is. He was surely a valid victorion too. Nevertheless, Dormandy will beat him out. I hear he really is beginning to gel with Wolfe, Hurd, Williams, and the other tight ends.
 
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Dobbs is very elusive. He makes the oline look pretty good when compared to them protecting worley. His mobility is a great asset.
 
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Did he make them better or could he just avoid getting sacked unlike Worley by using his mobility? I go more with the second one even though they probably improved some.
 
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livefaith said:
As smart as he is. He was surely a valid victorion too. Nevertheless, Dormandy will beat him out. I hear he really is beginning to gel with Wolfe, Hurd, Williams, and the other tight ends.
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I'm afraid that if we struggle in the least, he'll be the escape goat.
 
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His mobility makes it less important that they are better. That is the difference we saw in the second half of the season last year.

I believe them to be improved this year, but it will be the running game that shows that, not sacks or the passing game.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm afraid that if we struggle in the least, he'll be the escape goat.
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That depends on if his accuracy has improved. His 60%-plus average looked great in paper, but there were a lot of missed opportunities in the passing game due to bad passes.

The coaches say it's better, I believe them, but time will tell. Let's hope he plays all season like he did against Iowa.
 
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If I'm a Defensive coordinator playing UT this year, I'm stopping the run first.

Trying to put UT in a 3rd and long. Force Dobbs to throw from the pocket.

Ill put spy on Dobbs and contain him in the pocket.

He's less accurate from the pocket. This gives my Defense a higher probability for success if I let him throw it.

UT's OLine stats will look better because they will give up less sacks. Rushing yards per game will improve because the run game is stronger than the passing game.

With Worley not being a rushing threat but being an accurate passer from the pocket, changes your defensive strategy in 3rd and long situations. Especially with a weak Oline.

You can outnumber the Oline with your defensive front and get to the QB before the play develops.

That's what was happening to UT last year before Dobbs was introduced.
 
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livefaith said:
As smart as he is. He was surely a valid victorion too. Nevertheless, Dormandy will beat him out. I hear he really is beginning to gel with Wolfe, Hurd, Williams, and the other tight ends.
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm afraid that if we struggle in the least, he'll be the escape goat.
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'Boro-vol said:
That depends on if his accuracy has improved. His 60%-plus average looked great in paper, but there were a lot of missed opportunities in the passing game due to bad passes.

The coaches say it's better, I believe them, but time will tell. Let's hope he plays all season like he did against Iowa.
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Boro, if you will notice their spelling, I believe that they just having fun. :good!:
 
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Volnukem said:
Alright, so I did some research on the OL performance pre and post Dobbs. I know a lot of people use the excuse that Dobbs faced worse competition than Worley. So instead of looking at the pure numbers for sacks allowed and rushing yards, I looked at how we did compared to the opposing teams average stats for their whole season.

For example, with Worley at the helm we gave up 7 sacks against Ole Miss, who averaged 2.15 sacks per game this year. Therefore, we gave up 4.85 more sacks that game than their average opponent. I gathered all of these stats at cfbstats.com - College Football Statistics. Also note that I did not include the Chattanooga game so both Pre-Dobbs and Post-Dobbs stats are based on 6 games. Also, note that because these numbers are based on who our opponents played, Post-Dobbs included 6 teams from a Power-5 conference whereas Worley only faced 4.

Sacks Allowed
Pre-Dobbs: 25 sacks (4.17/game) for 180 yards (30 yds/game).
Opponent Avg : 15.62 sacks (2.60 sacks/game) for 109 yards (18 yds/game)

So over 6 games, our OL gave up 1.5 more sacks/game for 12 more yds/game than our opponent averaged over the course of the season. This means our OL was much worse than the average OL our opponents faced all season.


Post-Dobbs: 13 sacks (2.17/game) for 90 yards (15 yds/game).
Opponent AVG: 12.2 sacks (2.03/game) for 82 yards (13.8 yds/game)

So over 6 games, our OL gave up 0.79 more sacks/game for 1.2 more yds/game than our opponent averaged over the course of the season. This means our OL was average compared to the average OL our opponent played last season.

Based on sacks allowed alone, our OL performed significantly better than before Dobbs took over irrespective of the strength of the defenses he played against.

Rushing Yards
Pre-Dobbs: 89.17 yards/Game and 2.39 yards/carry
Opponent Avg: 143.90 yards/Game and 3.63 yards/carry

This is simple. We gained 55 less yards/game than our opponent's average rushing yards allowed and 1.2 less yards/carry.

Post-Dobbs: 207.50 yards/game and 4.3 yards/carry
Opponent Avg: 165.2 yards/game and 4.23 yards/carry

We averaged 42 more yards/game and roughly the same yards per carry as our opponent's averaged over the course of their season.

All in all, our OL was undoubtedly much better with a mobile quarterback back there. They weren't great, but they weren't awful.
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I don't think that just any mobile QB could have sparked this team the way Dobbs did...he has the IT factor you can't put your finger on it but he makes everyone around him better. Go Vols!!!
 
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Slingshot said:
If I'm a Defensive coordinator playing UT this year, I'm stopping the run first.

Trying to put UT in a 3rd and long. Force Dobbs to throw from the pocket.

Ill put spy on Dobbs and contain him in the pocket.

He's less accurate from the pocket. This gives my Defense a higher probability for success if I let him throw it.

UT's OLine stats will look better because they will give up less sacks. Rushing yards per game will improve because the run game is stronger than the passing game.

With Worley not being a rushing threat but being an accurate passer from the pocket, changes your defensive strategy in 3rd and long situations. Especially with a weak Oline.

You can outnumber the Oline with your defensive front and get to the QB before the play develops.

That's what was happening to UT last year before Dobbs was introduced.
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Every QB has misses. But 60% means he's hitting a lot more than he's missing. 20 yds or less he is well above average. His deep ball need improvement and quite honestly that has a lot to do with reps and timing with the wr's. So we will see. I pray teams spy JD. That takes their D to 10 guys and our receivers will chew them alive.
Make no mistake, the best way to beat our offense is getting in the backfield and disrupt the play.
 
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Slingshot said:
If I'm a Defensive coordinator playing UT this year, I'm stopping the run first.

Trying to put UT in a 3rd and long. Force Dobbs to throw from the pocket.

Ill put spy on Dobbs and contain him in the pocket.

He's less accurate from the pocket. This gives my Defense a higher probability for success if I let him throw it.

UT's OLine stats will look better because they will give up less sacks. Rushing yards per game will improve because the run game is stronger than the passing game.

With Worley not being a rushing threat but being an accurate passer from the pocket, changes your defensive strategy in 3rd and long situations. Especially with a weak Oline.

You can outnumber the Oline with your defensive front and get to the QB before the play develops.

That's what was happening to UT last year before Dobbs was introduced.
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If I was an offensive coordinator against your defense with the skill positions of team 119, I'd whip your azz all day long. Dobbs will make your spy look silly. I'd release the TE to either pick up your spy or slip behind him and wear you out. Dobbs is most deadly when throwing short yardage passes especially when on the move.

I'd stick more with contain and try to make Hurd/Kamara break through the middle. Jam the WR's on the line and if Dobbs gets outside the contain, let the LB's/S track him down. He'll get some good runs but he can't win the game all by himself.
 
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UNAVol89 said:
He doesn't make them better per se, he just makes them look better with his ability to escape.
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This is what I would actually put. Dobbs can't magically make them better players but he definitely can make them look better.
 
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The OLine was going to improve if only by being on the field together and learning how to play next to one another. That's nothing new to any level of football or any other sport for that matter. You can help hide a below average lineman or an inexperienced lineman by having a better lineman or experienced linemen beside him but if they're all below average because of inability or inexperience then whaddya do? But, "gelling" along with having a VERY mobile QB changed everything. Did it make them "better"? It sure changed what they had to accomplish and how long they had to hold a block. They were getting experience though, for the better or not. I wouldn't say Dobbs made them better, they made themselves better.... I'll say Dobbs made them different.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Every QB has misses. But 60% means he's hitting a lot more than he's missing. 20 yds or less he is well above average. His deep ball need improvement and quite honestly that has a lot to do with reps and timing with the wr's. So we will see. I pray teams spy JD. That takes their D to 10 guys and our receivers will chew them alive.
Make no mistake, the best way to beat our offense is getting in the backfield and disrupt the play.
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How many of his interceptions were from the pocket or on the run?

Dobbs is more of a threat when his feet are moving.
 
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