Does CBJ really want to be here?

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VolFreakJosh

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I've noticed something interesting with this whole season and current OC search. The preseason expectations were very high this 2016-2017 season. We easily should have won the East and faced Bama in the SEC Championship even though we'd likely lose but most of can agree that we would have been happy since we did meet expectations.

After the inexcusable losses to Vandy & South Carolina, the media has constantly bashed Butch which he deserved after basically not owning up to his mistakes and tried to use his unique "coach speak" his way around it.

Since Debord left to go to Indiana, even though the hire hasn't been made yet, Butch hasn't even gave indications that he's willing to make a splash hire to save his job next season. He's not given any indication that he'll hand the keys over to a big time OC and let him run the ship. Having Coach Z and Larry Scott as a possible candidate that's not even had experience as an OC? I mean really? One word: Stubborn!

When Butch took this job, did he honestly think he would walk in and his ego wouldn't get in the way of everything? When you're a HC at a big time program at Tennessee, you can't be a control freak and not hire necessary coaches to help your defense & offense get better especially with your job on the line. I mean I've been a Butch supporter from day one but right now, I can't support a guy thats not willing to do whatever it takes to win.

Is Butch feeling the heat and just staying quiet or is he really trying to screw this up and collect his buyout after the end of next season if expectations are not met yet once again? At this point, I'm really questioning if he wants to continue to be the HC here at Tennessee.
 
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Butch definitely wants to be here and he's smart enough to know that this is the hire of his coaching life.
 
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I think he feels like the program is close. I think he believes in his offense and the process for the program. He's gone 9-4 in back to back years and he will be on his third offensive coordinator, he just needs to find the right guy.

We could argue about who he should pick, but I don't think for one second that he isn't doing what he thinks is best. There is a learning curve and he's shown he's not afraid to make changes.
 
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Butch tanking the season in 2017 would do him no good IMO, he wouldn't land another job, at least not a good one. He plays his coordinator hires close to the vest, seems I remember this same type of thing going on when Debord was hired.

I'll trust him to make the right hire. I may get roasted for this and that's cool but I think he made the right hire with Shoop. Shoop just needs "his" guys in here. Whether that's bringing in his guys from PSU that we didn't buyout or Butch saying "who do you want" and going to get them. A healthy defense wouldn't hurt matters either.

We thought the OC hire two years ago was extremely important, this one is more important than our search two years ago ever thought about being and CBJ knows that. I just hope the fans give the next guy a better shot than they did Debord.
 
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There's a lot of things I'll criticize Butch Jones for, but wanting to be here is not one of them.

There's a lot of questions about him and whether or not he can bring the championship here, one thing I don't question Is his work ethic and is want to.
 
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It's not a question on if he wants to be here or not, obviously this is as big as it gets. He continuously stresses how he wants to be at Tennessee.

However, the problem is that he tries to control every facet of the program. While that may work in the MAC or American, it will not in the SEC. You have to be surrounded by a great staff and trust and allow them to do their jobs. When he has to micromanage every aspect of our program and cannot shut it off, that is a problem. Also, I honestly believe our staff is no where near the caliber of several SEC schools, bluntly we have a lot of guys who do not belong in the SEC, other SEC teams didn't want, or were fired by other top programs. We have to be able to develop players better and teach them the game of football from a fundamental standpoint. We have to put our players in the best position to succeed. I wholeheartedly believe coaching decisions cost us the USC and Vandy games. Until Butch begins making these necessary changes and hiring the best coaches available, not his friends, there will be no progress at Tennessee. I know Shoop had a bad year, but Butch hiring Shoop was a move in the right direction and gives me faith that he will make a good hire this time too.

Also, I think a lot of Butch's frustration comes from the fact that he honestly believes he is doing everything right at Tennessee and we are just a bunch of entitled, whiney fans who do not appreciate him and it hurts his feelings. I am not an insider nor do I know what goes on behind closed doors, but it appears that Butch is happy with being 9-4 and getting to bowl games. Now I appreciate what he has done with our program, especially from where we have been, but it does not overcome the inexcusable decisions made throughout the year. It does not explain the failed expectations and the reoccurring problems that hinder our program.

Another thing that upsets me is his reference to winning 15 of our last 19 games. While that sounds great, it includes losses to Alabama, Vandy, and USC. Also, what have we accomplished in that time frame? We gave away the SEC East, the Sugar Bowl, and ultimately ended up MCB champions. We have high expectations here and we expect more from our team and coach. We all know how annoying his comments and cliches are, I just hope inside he truly knows that Tennessee deserves better than that. These next decisions he makes will show us if he truly does or not.
 
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jakez4ut said:
There's a lot of things I'll criticize Butch Jones for, but wanting to be here is not one of them.

There's a lot of questions about him and whether or not he can bring the championship here, one thing I don't question Is his work ethic and is want to.
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When the man says this is home and his "dream job" I believe him. It wasn't like when it's been said before. Like you said the man works his @$$ off for Tennessee.
 
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Vol$_Deep_11_9 said:
When the man says this is home and his "dream job" I believe him. It wasn't like when it's been said before. Like you said the man works his @$$ off for Tennessee.
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Yeah there's a lot of things I don't like about him, but I don't question the desire. And no doubt he's a hard worker.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Yeah there's a lot of things I don't like about him, but I don't question the desire. And no doubt he's a hard worker.
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I don't think he's perfect by a long shot myself. There's things he needs to improve on no doubt. Late game decisions/clock management being a couple of them. I was as mad as anybody after the Vandy game. I hopped on the fire Butch wagon for all of a day, but in the grand scheme of things a coaching change is not something we need right now. I'm more than willing to sit and see if he makes the right adjustments to the staff. If he makes the right adjustments and we still aren't up to snuff then the problem lies at the top.

We all want the same thing. We all want to be successful. 9-4 isn't the standard here, I realize that but I do feel from where we have been since 2008 these last two seasons were a step in the right direction.
 
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I love the micro-evolution of self-sourcing on VN:

"Why would he do that? Is he stubborn or something?"
"Yeah, he must be stubborn to do something like that."
"Anybody who would do that is stubborn."
"Yeah, he's absolutely being stubborn."
"It's a well-known fact that Butch Jones is stubborn."
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"Butch Jones' trademark stubbornness will be his downfall."

Go back and replace "stubborn" with "arrogant" or "wanting out" or "control freak" or "insecure" or whatever. He may or may not be any or all of those things; it's just really entertaining to watch posters' comments become buzzwords and then become known facts.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Even if he was right in saying it you can't say it. You cannot alienate the Fanbase.
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I mean I know when he said it and I know who he said he was directed at, I don't believe him at all when he says it was directed at the refs. But booing and up 35-0 was a bit ridiculous.

I see where you're coming from though. Cameras caught him at the wrong time.
 
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Vol$_Deep_11_9 said:
I mean I know when he said it and I know who he said he was directed at, I don't believe him at all when he says it was directed at the refs. But booing and up 35-0 was a bit ridiculous.

I see where you're coming from though. Cameras caught him at the wrong time.
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As it was happening and I was listening to it on TV I just thought it was funny that the fans were booing. And I think honestly for most of the fans it was more of a joke than anything else.

Really, it's not like there was anything to boo-boo up 35 to nothing.

I think, rather, that was more insight into Butch's overall personality and insecurity than anything else.
 
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