Does butch want Peyton?

[chattavol420]

Please don't merge immediately...I know there have been a ton of "Peyton to ut" threads but butchs comments in Memphis made me scratch my head. When asked about the rumors he said he's welcome to be around our players anytime he wants but coaching is totally different from playing

Please don't kill me here but I've questioned both butchs arrogance and overall intelligence because of various factors. (I've always heaped praise on him for his work ethic and recruiting, but still get labeled as negavol)

So a couple of questions...would butch not want Peyton because that would take credit away from him? Or Is Butch unable to recognize how amazing of an improvement Peyton would immediately make for at both offensive play calling and recruiting? It was just a really weird comment to act like he's maybe not qualified or capable. Peyton was the greatest on the field coach in the history of football. It's why he was so successful as a qb

 

[Volinmem]

Butch checked his chart, and it said not to hire Peyton. Someone has to find that dang chart and burn it.

 

[utvolpj]

Peyton called and changed plays at the line of scrimmage after seeing the defense in front of him. You can't do that as an OC. He'd require 48 TO's

The arrogance shot is crap

 

[dbarker]

Butch said he loves Peyton and loves him coming to UT, but "Coaching is a different animal". Idk he is just playing off any pressure between him and Peyton to rush and get it done, or if he actually doesnt want him. Id hire him has QB coach in a heartbeat. Recruiting would skyrocket, and QB play would no doubt improve.

 

[ItsAllVols]

I believe we have a QB coach position open, it just needs to be good for both sides.

 

[dbarker]

Peyton called and changed plays at the line of scrimmage after seeing the defense in front of him. You can't do that as an OC. He'd require 48 TO's

The arrogance shot is crap

Eh, as OC (which he wouldnt start at) he can give a freshman a call then have him look back at the sideline based off what they saw. By the time the QB is a JR or SR, Peyton can give him 3 plays (like Peyton did in the NFL) and trust him to make the right call. We did this briefly with Ainge. Lined up, fake hut, or called someone in motion, then looked back at the sideline to see if we run the original play or change it based on how the defense lined up and reacted to the hut or motion.

 

[dbarker]

I believe we have a QB coach position open, it just needs to be good for both sides.

We dont have a QB coach that is true, but unfortunately, we dont have a coaching staff spot open. Maybe adminstrative spot where he is at practice all the time? But we used the spare position coach spot with our TE coach hire Larry Scott. (Great hire btw.)

 

[utvolpj]

Eh, as OC (which he wouldnt start at) he can give a freshman a call then have him look back at the sideline based off what they saw. By the time the QB is a JR or SR, Peyton can give him 3 plays (like Peyton did in the NFL) and trust him to make the right call. We did this briefly with Ainge. Lined up, fake hut, or called someone in motion, then looked back at the sideline to see if we run the original play or change it based on how the defense lined up and reacted to the hut or motion.

Cool so we just need to wait 3-4 years for the offense to get up to speed? But seriously, he did a whole lot more at the line than choose between 3 plays. It would take a rare qb to get to that point in college

 

[Biopsyman]

Better chance of hitting the powerball

 

[LA Vol]

To coach under him, on staff, in an official capacity? No.

To volunteer his time to work with players in an unofficial capacity? Yes.

There are many ways for Peyton to be involved with, and help, the program without making it a full-time job.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Even if he were to coach he wouldnt qualify to be an OC at collegiate level so please get out of here with this "amzing improvement" in play-calling non-sense. That said, he would most likely make an excellent QB coach. If he were to excel as a QB coach, then he could be moved up to passing game coordinator - but even that takes time at the collegiate level.

The fact that you are questioning Butch's intelligence shows just how little you understand on this matter. Butch is right. Coaching vs Playing are two entirely different beasts. It's common sense.

 

[KBVol]

Title of this thread don't sound right.

 

[WesTnVol]

Great qb Jonny Unitas took a shot at coaching found out it is a totally different animal. He said that he couldn't understand why a rookie didn't see what he did. Doing it doesn't mean you can translate that to being able to teach it.
I do want Peyton involved with this staff in some way.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Would love to have gotten a link to a direct quote. Hard to tell what Butch really said, as well as the context of the question, from the comments given. And yep, 420, you are suspect as a reporter on anything concerning Butch, given your badly biased past concerning him.

Here are some facts that might help provide a bit of context:

1. Coaching is, in fact, different from playing. Coaching at the college level is something like 35% recruiting HS kids, 45% development and training (of others, not yourself...that's key), 10% scheming (developing the playbook), and only the final 10% play calling on Saturdays. And that's if you're the OC or DC; the last two #s are even smaller if you're not.

2. The good news is, Peyton has some (not huge amounts, but some) experience at development and training, having joined his dad and brothers running their passing academy each spring/summer. He probably has a pretty good feel of his strengths and weaknesses in this area.

3. Peyton is really good with the Xs and Os. I don't know if he can scheme around QBs and other players who are significantly different than anything he knew in his playing career, but he's a bright guy and could probably pick it up fairly quickly. And he's excellent at scouting an opponent's defense, prepping for it, and making in-game adjustments.

4. That leaves recruiting as the (big, significant) unknown. Peyton's a good people person. He'd probably be great at it. But would he enjoy it? Because that makes a difference. If you hate what you're doing, recruits can tell.

And then, there are the intangibles. For instance, how well would Peyton do as a cog in a bigger machine. Not the guy in charge, not even the guy spending all his time sharing ideas with the guy in charge, just one of 11 guys on the coaching unit. If he were to become QB coach, he'd be less in the middle of things than at any point in his adult life. Similarly, how would Peyton do with 120-hour weeks? Yes, he is renowned for working hard as a player, spending tons of time in the film room after practices. But the work week of a pro player is still not nearly as grindy as that of a college coach, even with all the film study. Would Peyton, a devoted father and husband, be willing to give all that time up?

So I can potentially get what Butch is saying, depending on the context that is missing.

 

[kayakonthefly]

And fwiw, if Butch was to have an off season or two, it would be much easier to move someone else up (Peyton) in the head coach slot. See Majors/Fulmer. So if you're on the hot seat, or almost on the hot seat, would you hire someone that 99% of the fanbase idolizes, and would love to see as a coach? Could very well be hiring your replacement.

 

[jason3713]

Even if he were to coach he wouldnt qualify to be an OC at collegiate level so please get out of here with this "amzing improvement" in play-calling non-sense. That said, he would most likely make an excellent QB coach. If he were to excel as a QB coach, then he could be moved up to passing game coordinator - but even that takes time at the collegiate level.

The fact that you are questioning Butch's intelligence shows just how little you understand on this matter. Butch is right. Coaching vs Playing are two entirely different beasts. It's common sense.

Are you ****ting me???? You think Peyton Manning wouldn't qualify as a OC at the college level. He's always been known as one of the most intelligent QB's of all time. He's studied the game and defenses maybe more than any other human being in the last 20 years.

If Peyton Manning wanted to be an OC at any level he would be a day one success. Not because he was a great QB, because he worked as hard in the film room as he did on the field.

 

[volsfootball]

This thread......Really dude?

 

[livefaith]

This thread......Really dude?

Does Peyton have any experience as a recruiter or play caller at the SEC level? The OP seems to be saying that Peyton's success for some (any?) position is a given lock.

Did I miss something where Peyton is GUARANTEED to be a great coach? Maybe, just maybe, the greatest QB in history is not a better coach than what we already have.

All of this assuming that the man would even want to put his legacy at risk to take such a lowly position here.

 

[livefaith]

Are you ****ting me???? You think Peyton Manning wouldn't qualify as a OC at the college level. He's always been known as one of the most intelligent QB's of all time. He's studied the game and defenses maybe more than any other human being in the last 20 years.

If Peyton Manning wanted to be an OC at any level he would be a day one success. Not because he was a great QB, because he worked as hard in the film room as he did on the field.

Ohh, I didn't know that his success as a position coach was an absolute undeniable and non-negotiable lock. Now I know. :crazy:

 

[Crazy Ivan]

Even if he were to coach he wouldnt qualify to be an OC at collegiate level so please get out of here with this "amzing improvement" in play-calling non-sense. That said, he would most likely make an excellent QB coach. If he were to excel as a QB coach, then he could be moved up to passing game coordinator - but even that takes time at the collegiate level.

The fact that you are questioning Butch's intelligence shows just how little you understand on this matter. Butch is right. Coaching vs Playing are two entirely different beasts. It's common sense.

^This...yes.

 

[livefaith]

Would love to have gotten a link to a direct quote. Hard to tell what Butch really said, as well as the context of the question, from the comments given. And yep, 420, you are suspect as a reporter on anything concerning Butch, given your badly biased past concerning him.

Here are some facts that might help provide a bit of context:

1. Coaching is, in fact, different from playing. Coaching at the college level is something like 35% recruiting HS kids, 45% development and training (of others, not yourself...that's key), 10% scheming (developing the playbook), and only the final 10% play calling on Saturdays. And that's if you're the OC or DC; the last two #s are even smaller if you're not.

2. The good news is, Peyton has some (not huge amounts, but some) experience at development and training, having joined his dad and brothers running their passing academy each spring/summer. He probably has a pretty good feel of his strengths and weaknesses in this area.

3. Peyton is really good with the Xs and Os. I don't know if he can scheme around QBs and other players who are significantly different than anything he knew in his playing career, but he's a bright guy and could probably pick it up fairly quickly. And he's excellent at scouting an opponent's defense, prepping for it, and making in-game adjustments.

4. That leaves recruiting as the (big, significant) unknown. Peyton's a good people person. He'd probably be great at it. But would he enjoy it? Because that makes a difference. If you hate what you're doing, recruits can tell.

And then, there are the intangibles. For instance, how well would Peyton do as a cog in a bigger machine. Not the guy in charge, not even the guy spending all his time sharing ideas with the guy in charge, just one of 11 guys on the coaching unit. If he were to become QB coach, he'd be less in the middle of things than at any point in his adult life. Similarly, how would Peyton do with 120-hour weeks? Yes, he is renowned for working hard as a player, spending tons of time in the film room after practices. But the work week of a pro player is still not nearly as grindy as that of a college coach, even with all the film study. Would Peyton, a devoted father and husband, be willing to give all that time up?

So I can potentially get what Butch is saying, depending on the context that is missing.

Deserves a Sticky if any post EVER did. Anyone posting the Peyton->QB Coach nonsense should have to sign a waiver after reading this and leave their credit card number for penalties resulting in each knee jerked post.

 

[livefaith]

To coach under him, on staff, in an official capacity? No.

To volunteer his time to work with players in an unofficial capacity? Yes.

There are many ways for Peyton to be involved with, and help, the program without making it a full-time job.

Yes. But the bigger question is ... why pass Denver and Indy and land at UT, when Peyton could pass UT and go back and coach at his High School?

 

[ksgovols]

Would love to have gotten a link to a direct quote. Hard to tell what Butch really said, as well as the context of the question, from the comments given. And yep, 420, you are suspect as a reporter on anything concerning Butch, given your badly biased past concerning him.

Here are some facts that might help provide a bit of context:

1. Coaching is, in fact, different from playing. Coaching at the college level is something like 35% recruiting HS kids, 45% development and training (of others, not yourself...that's key), 10% scheming (developing the playbook), and only the final 10% play calling on Saturdays. And that's if you're the OC or DC; the last two #s are even smaller if you're not.

2. The good news is, Peyton has some (not huge amounts, but some) experience at development and training, having joined his dad and brothers running their passing academy each spring/summer. He probably has a pretty good feel of his strengths and weaknesses in this area.

3. Peyton is really good with the Xs and Os. I don't know if he can scheme around QBs and other players who are significantly different than anything he knew in his playing career, but he's a bright guy and could probably pick it up fairly quickly. And he's excellent at scouting an opponent's defense, prepping for it, and making in-game adjustments.

4. That leaves recruiting as the (big, significant) unknown. Peyton's a good people person. He'd probably be great at it. But would he enjoy it? Because that makes a difference. If you hate what you're doing, recruits can tell.

And then, there are the intangibles. For instance, how well would Peyton do as a cog in a bigger machine. Not the guy in charge, not even the guy spending all his time sharing ideas with the guy in charge, just one of 11 guys on the coaching unit. If he were to become QB coach, he'd be less in the middle of things than at any point in his adult life. Similarly, how would Peyton do with 120-hour weeks? Yes, he is renowned for working hard as a player, spending tons of time in the film room after practices. But the work week of a pro player is still not nearly as grindy as that of a college coach, even with all the film study. Would Peyton, a devoted father and husband, be willing to give all that time up?

So I can potentially get what Butch is saying, depending on the context that is missing.

And he's gonna do all this basically pro bono. A couple of Gatorade commercials would pay him more than he could make at UT as an assistant coach. What's in it for Peyton?

 

[chattavol420]

Would love to have gotten a link to a direct quote. Hard to tell what Butch really said, as well as the context of the question, from the comments given. And yep, 420, you are suspect as a reporter on anything concerning Butch, given your badly biased past concerning him.

Here are some facts that might help provide a bit of context:

1. Coaching is, in fact, different from playing. Coaching at the college level is something like 35% recruiting HS kids, 45% development and training (of others, not yourself...that's key), 10% scheming (developing the playbook), and only the final 10% play calling on Saturdays. And that's if you're the OC or DC; the last two #s are even smaller if you're not.

2. The good news is, Peyton has some (not huge amounts, but some) experience at development and training, having joined his dad and brothers running their passing academy each spring/summer. He probably has a pretty good feel of his strengths and weaknesses in this area.

3. Peyton is really good with the Xs and Os. I don't know if he can scheme around QBs and other players who are significantly different than anything he knew in his playing career, but he's a bright guy and could probably pick it up fairly quickly. And he's excellent at scouting an opponent's defense, prepping for it, and making in-game adjustments.

4. That leaves recruiting as the (big, significant) unknown. Peyton's a good people person. He'd probably be great at it. But would he enjoy it? Because that makes a difference. If you hate what you're doing, recruits can tell.

And then, there are the intangibles. For instance, how well would Peyton do as a cog in a bigger machine. Not the guy in charge, not even the guy spending all his time sharing ideas with the guy in charge, just one of 11 guys on the coaching unit. If he were to become QB coach, he'd be less in the middle of things than at any point in his adult life. Similarly, how would Peyton do with 120-hour weeks? Yes, he is renowned for working hard as a player, spending tons of time in the film room after practices. But the work week of a pro player is still not nearly as grindy as that of a college coach, even with all the film study. Would Peyton, a devoted father and husband, be willing to give all that time up?

So I can potentially get what Butch is saying, depending on the context that is missing.

Butch reacts to question about Peyton Coaching at UT

Here's what I read. It was only one sentence so it didn't seem necessary to link.

 

[Biopsyman]

And he's gonna do all this basically pro bono. A couple of Gatorade commercials would pay him more than he could make at UT as an assistant coach. What's in it for Peyton?

Exactly.. A position coach or coordinator is beneath him... Our fan base needs to quit sniffing glue