Does Butch have a higher level of trust with these new coaches?

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sjt18 said:
Who proposed anything of the sort for Jones?

Jones is a VERY well paid football coach with a golden parachute if he gets fired. He is paid to win. He is paid to win the East and compete for the SEC. He's had opportunities to do so... and has failed. He has failed at times in ways that seriously call his abilities as a coach into question.

I'm not sure what you do or who you do it for... but my company fires managers and commercial reps that don't "win".
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I wasn't talking about winning or losing - but the constant beating a dead horse for no apparent reason but to beat a dead horse.

I suppose you have never failed to met expectations and been given a chance to correct what went wrong.

IMO, CBJ has not performed bad enough to be fired. If I was firing someone from last year it would have been Shoop after what happened in the last few games. But I can see giving Shoop the benefit of the doubt that the results were abnormal.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I wasn't talking about winning or losing - but the constant beating a dead horse for no apparent reason but to beat a dead horse.

I suppose you have never failed to met expectations and been given a chance to correct what went wrong.

IMO, CBJ has not performed bad enough to be fired. If I was firing someone from last year it would have been Shoop after what happened in the last few games. But I can see giving Shoop the benefit of the doubt that the results were abnormal.
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Jones lost to Vandy and was outcoached by Franklin in year 1 with a bowl on the line.

Jones was outcoached by Muschamp who was in route to a 4-8 season and a firing in year 2.

Jones' inability to close out games against OU, UF, and Ark in year 3 kept UT from having a great season.

Jones' lost to USCe under Muschamp with the SEC CG on the line... then to Vandy with the Sugar Bowl on the line in year 4. Those were the two least talented teams in the SEC.

So the question is "what is your standard for performing badly"? Jones underperformance in '16 wasn't an anomaly. It was the continuation of a pattern.


Coaching changes can be risky and bad. The best hope is always that the guy you have can turn the corner. I would truly love for Jones to do so.... but again, he has a pattern of performance that suggests he won't.
 
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dcm3w said:
Haha you guys are ruthless. I was actually using "top 5" as an exaggeration of knowing he can't keep selling the same pitch. Obviously, I know he hasn't gotten all top 5 classes. His first offseason and last year for sure. Although, didn't we have a number 7 class or something one year?
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I'm just messing with you
 
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Stj, there's a roadmap that many of us think CBJ can/should follow to right the ship. I think you're in that camp as well.(

Not gonna say that one practice or presser is enidence, however if such a change is to take place, it has to start somewhere, right?

So while I'm in the camp of "show me", I don't think we should throw the baby out with the bath water in March, just because of our preconceived notions on how it will be going forward because of how it's been.

Agree that's a good indicator, yes, but also recognize that for things to change...things have to change...

So I'm willing to see how this may play out..,,
 
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jakez4ut said:
Stj, there's a roadmap that many of us think CBJ can/should follow to right the ship. I think you're in that camp as well.(

Not gonna say that one practice or presser is enidence, however if such a change is to take place, it has to start somewhere, right?

So while I'm in the camp of "show me", I don't think we should throw the baby out with the bath water in March, just because of our preconceived notions on how it will be going forward because of how it's been.

Agree that's a good indicator, yes, but also recognize that for things to change...things have to change...

So I'm willing to see how this may play out..,,
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Good advice and especially since there's nothing going to happen now.

Jones' hires on D might be seen as the "high risk/reward" ones... but I think it is his offensive hires that will sink or lift him. He had an opportunity to bring someone in that could change things. He chose his way and to stay the course. If Wells isn't pretty much a great OL coach... Jones will be in trouble.
 
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Freak said:
I almost forgot, Butch also talked about having coaches from the Charges and Saints in this week working out our players, which hasn't been done in a long time, he said.
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If he does that... what does that say his coaches or himself?
 
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jakez4ut said:
Agree that's a good indicator, yes, but also recognize that for things to change...things have to change...
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A good indicator, to me, would be, whether or not Jones left the sports car in the garage, this past recruiting cycle.

I'm going to again harp back on it: because, this is Tennessee, not LA CA -- we impress recruits with work effort, big plays and wins on the field and championships, not leisure sports cars on the street.

I recommend buying the car as a reward (if necessary) after the championship -- not as a way to achieve a championship.

Regarding wins and championships (not cars): what is our image / impression, leading into Year 5.

Come on Staff 121 -- let's create turnovers and get this ball moving down the field and into the endoze / thru the uprights.

quotes I wish I'd not read,


"“Kids judge you by your car,” Jones told the Knoxville newspaper. “It’s crazy.”

Jones said driving the impressive German car is part of building an image at the University of Tennessee.

“It’s crazy, but that’s the world we live in, selling (and) trying to create those impressions,” Jones told the Knoxville News Sentinel. “So that’s very important.”

Jones referenced a feature that the SEC Network did on his particular Mercedes-Benz, which goes from 0-to-60 mph in under four seconds and tops out near 200, according to listed specs."
 
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UT-Rex said:
A good indicator, to me, would be, whether or not Jones left the sports car in the garage, this past recruiting cycle.

I'm going to again harp back on it: because, this is Tennessee, not LA CA -- we impress recruits with work effort, big plays and wins on the field and championships, not leisure sports cars on the street.

I recommend buying the car as a reward (if necessary) after the championship -- not as a way to achieve a championship.

Regarding wins and championships (not cars): what is our image / impression, leading into Year 5.

Come on Staff 121 -- let's create turnovers and get this ball moving down the field and into the endoze / thru the uprights.

quotes I wish I'd not read,


"“Kids judge you by your car,” Jones told the Knoxville newspaper. “It’s crazy.”

Jones said driving the impressive German car is part of building an image at the University of Tennessee.

“It’s crazy, but that’s the world we live in, selling (and) trying to create those impressions,” Jones told the Knoxville News Sentinel. “So that’s very important.”

Jones referenced a feature that the SEC Network did on his particular Mercedes-Benz, which goes from 0-to-60 mph in under four seconds and tops out near 200, according to listed specs."
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you're unreal.
 
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121 will be a solid team. One that could beat any team on our schedule with a well executed game plan.

Expect a conservative game plan that relies on our defense being able to get the stop when the game is down to the "nitty gritty".

He might open it up if we get down a lot.
 
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UT-Rex said:
A good indicator, to me, would be, whether or not Jones left the sports car in the garage, this past recruiting cycle.

I'm going to again harp back on it: because, this is Tennessee, not LA CA -- we impress recruits with work effort, big plays and wins on the field and championships, not leisure sports cars on the street.

I recommend buying the car as a reward (if necessary) after the championship -- not as a way to achieve a championship.

Regarding wins and championships (not cars): what is our image / impression, leading into Year 5.

Come on Staff 121 -- let's create turnovers and get this ball moving down the field and into the endoze / thru the uprights.

quotes I wish I'd not read,


"“Kids judge you by your car,” Jones told the Knoxville newspaper. “It’s crazy.”

Jones said driving the impressive German car is part of building an image at the University of Tennessee.

“It’s crazy, but that’s the world we live in, selling (and) trying to create those impressions,” Jones told the Knoxville News Sentinel. “So that’s very important.”

Jones referenced a feature that the SEC Network did on his particular Mercedes-Benz, which goes from 0-to-60 mph in under four seconds and tops out near 200, according to listed specs."
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Seriously you pick on this?
 
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sjt18 said:
Good advice and especially since there's nothing going to happen now.

Jones' hires on D might be seen as the "high risk/reward" ones... but I think it is his offensive hires that will sink or lift him. He had an opportunity to bring someone in that could change things. He chose his way and to stay the course. If Wells isn't pretty much a great OL coach... Jones will be in trouble.
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Were on the same page on all this.
 
#68
#68
UT-Rex said:
A good indicator, to me, would be, whether or not Jones left the sports car in the garage, this past recruiting cycle.

I'm going to again harp back on it: because, this is Tennessee, not LA CA -- we impress recruits with work effort, big plays and wins on the field and championships, not leisure sports cars on the street.

I recommend buying the car as a reward (if necessary) after the championship -- not as a way to achieve a championship.

Regarding wins and championships (not cars): what is our image / impression, leading into Year 5.

Come on Staff 121 -- let's create turnovers and get this ball moving down the field and into the endoze / thru the uprights.

quotes I wish I'd not read,


"“Kids judge you by your car,” Jones told the Knoxville newspaper. “It’s crazy.”

Jones said driving the impressive German car is part of building an image at the University of Tennessee.

“It’s crazy, but that’s the world we live in, selling (and) trying to create those impressions,” Jones told the Knoxville News Sentinel. “So that’s very important.”

Jones referenced a feature that the SEC Network did on his particular Mercedes-Benz, which goes from 0-to-60 mph in under four seconds and tops out near 200, according to listed specs."
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Could not care less about the car.
 
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