Does Butch Blame Players Behind Closed Doors?

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Maggit would gladly come back for another year if given the chance, look no further than his presence on the sidelines while injured. Unhappy players do not do that. People make crap up to feel important as witnessed in the whole Gruden saga.
 
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vollygirl said:
Who has he thrown under the bus?
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Read it again. Didn't say he had thrown anyone under the bus. Was talking about hypothetical situations in response to another post. Wasn't saying it described Butch.In fact, I even specifically posted that I didn't think Butch was like Dooley in that area. Sometimes people read what they want to read on here.
 
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So we had a td called back for a penalty, a couple of missed field goals, a couple of missed catches and several missed tackles. Those are player issues. We also had two or three questionable decisions and play calls. Those are on the coaches. Seems to me it was a team loss and i would bet that is how coaches and players see it also.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Maggit would gladly come back for another year if given the chance, look no further than his presence on the sidelines while injured. Unhappy players do not do that. People make crap up to feel important as witnessed in the whole Gruden saga.
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Maggit coming back would be for one reason only and that is to better his draft chances. His sideline demeanor has been the same since the minute he got on campus. He was the same way injured during the Dooley reign of terror. Not suggesting that any players are unhappy, however.
 
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YorkVol said:
So we had a td called back for a penalty, a couple of missed field goals, a couple of missed catches and several missed tackles. Those are player issues. We also had two or three questionable decisions and play calls. Those are on the coaches. Seems to me it was a team loss and i would bet that is how coaches and players see it also.
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Coaching mistakes and player mistakes are not comparable in any way. Players are supposed to mess up. They are kids learning. Coaches are paid millions of dollars. 3 bad play calls in one game is not acceptable, especially when they are common sense i.e. If you want to run the clock out, don't snap the ball with 20 seconds on the play clock.
 
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jps2194 said:
Those are some serious accusations - I'm curious who your source is. A friend of a friend of some guy who empties the trash.
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Actually, I know a couple of boosters fairly well. The kind that have donated millions to the UT athletic department. I've been in the suites during football games with Phil Fulmer just to the side of me. My right hand man at my business is brother-in-law to a former All-American UT football player and former NFLer who also at one point was the head coach of one of top D1 football colleges in the country. I hear a little bit.
 
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SteelerVol said:
Butch has done this as well as other highly emotional outbursts that have resulted in upper classmen openly commenting, even to CBJ himself. Cussing and berating players in meetings to the point a guy like Curt Maggit stands up and says... "Coach, you're wrong on this..." isn't good. Verbally belittling players even in the players lounge, calling one a MFer has resulted in players leaving, transferring, talking about leaving, etc.
Ask Marcus Jackson (a guy who is worried about his playing status) what he's seen.
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Did he walk over an injured player or fire an assistant for commenting on his haircut like Satan has? Did he routinely kick players off the team who offended him in practice like "barh" did? Did he scream in the faces of players routinely on national TV like Woody Hayes did? What about what McIlwain just did to Fred Taylor's boy? In the history of coaching, has a head coach ever said anything roughly to a player and, God forbid, cussed?

I mean, come one. Football is for tough guys.
 
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SteelerVol said:
Actually, I know a couple of boosters fairly well. The kind that have donated millions to the UT athletic department. I've been in the suites during football games with Phil Fulmer just to the side of me. My right hand man at my business is brother-in-law to a former All-American UT football player and former NFLer who also at one point was the head coach of one of top D1 football colleges in the country. I hear a little bit.
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Damn, Steeler, please share what you can. I'm serious, man...
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Maggit coming back would be for one reason only and that is to better his draft chances. His sideline demeanor has been the same since the minute he got on campus. He was the same way injured during the Dooley reign of terror. Not suggesting that any players are unhappy, however.
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Improve his draft status? He has been healthy for one full year, if he makes an NFL squad it won't be through the draft. Comparing team morale now with the Dooley years may be true wit Maggit but few others. The players love Jones to suggest otherwise is factually incorrect.
 
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SteelerVol said:
Actually, I know a couple of boosters fairly well. The kind that have donated millions to the UT athletic department. I've been in the suites during football games with Phil Fulmer just to the side of me. My right hand man at my business is brother-in-law to a former All-American UT football player and former NFLer who also at one point was the head coach of one of top D1 football colleges in the country. I hear a little bit.
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I have no doubt you do and many on here know current players, as do I, but I will say it again the players love Jones just as they did Fulmer. Finding a disgruntled player on any team isn't difficult but to suggest a pattern on UT as if there is some mutiny brewing is patently false. I am very familiar with a very wealthy booster as well and Jones is under no pressure. If what you said was the rule and not the exception, he would have major heat on him by the administration.
 
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We all get some of you don't like Jones. We said, myself included, the same crap under Fulmer and he was replaced. Looking back that was a terrible decision and has pushed UT back nearly 10 years, firing Jones would add more years to the climb. You may not like Jones but he is here for a while and creating some drama that doesn't exist won't change a thing.
 
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Publicly a coach should never blame his players, although some like SOS seem to get away with it - it's rare.

In the locker room a coach can certainly blame his players ... BUT ... he has to be right. You never lose a locker room faster than when you call guys out but you are wrong and the players know when you're wrong. It's a bad look and was one of Dooley's downfalls. I had a few coaches like that and no one respected them.
 
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SteelerVol said:
Butch has done this as well as other highly emotional outbursts that have resulted in upper classmen openly commenting, even to CBJ himself. Cussing and berating players in meetings to the point a guy like Curt Maggit stands up and says... "Coach, you're wrong on this..." isn't good. Verbally belittling players even in the players lounge, calling one a MFer has resulted in players leaving, transferring, talking about leaving, etc.
Ask Marcus Jackson (a guy who is worried about his playing status) what he's seen.
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Reed Carringer said he had talked to several VFL's that played for Jones over the summer and to a man they said that Jones would not respond well to adversity during the season and would blame players. TIFWIW
 
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Just the opposite. Apparently held a team meeting about the Florida mistakes and asked them what they would have done differently.
 
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I fully expect Jones to over correct this weekend. Look for the Vols to go crazy stupid on play calls.
 
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Wilson27 said:
Reed Carringer said he had talked to several VFL's that played for Jones over the summer and to a man they said that Jones would not respond well to adversity during the season and would blame players. TIFWIW
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No idea if true, but that's the mark of an insecure leader right there
 
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landscapingvol said:
I have no doubt you do and many on here know current players, as do I, but I will say it again the players love Jones just as they did Fulmer. Finding a disgruntled player on any team isn't difficult but to suggest a pattern on UT as if there is some mutiny brewing is patently false. I am very familiar with a very wealthy booster as well and Jones is under no pressure. If what you said was the rule and not the exception, he would have major heat on him by the administration.
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I actually like Jones as a whole and I don't think anybody insinuated any kind of mutiny b.s. BUT, don't make out like we're talking about a disgruntled player here or a couple of sensitive players who got their feelings hurt. This has been building. We're talking about tirades, verbal tantrums, cussing players off the field. He has been a great recruiter and that alone has put us in games that we haven't been in lately so give him credit for that. On the other hand, unjustifiably losing 2 huge games that no other piss-worthy coach can come up with an excuse for brings it's own pressure. I call it mental gravity. If that gets any worse, that along with getting a reputation for openly disrespecting players will eliminate that one thing he has to hang his hat on. Hell, winning cures everything in this business. If he beats Alabama they may carry him off the field on their shoulders.
 
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