Does Butch Blame Players Behind Closed Doors?

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governmentmule said:
it is amazing at how some fans have turned against CBJ,especially after I have finally gotten on the CBJ band wagon :)
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IMHO turning against a coach and speaking the truth about questionable coaching is two different things. The only ones I've seen actually turning on him are the ones who had already turned on him from the beginning.

GO VOLS!
 
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It seems like everyone but Jancek & the D are getting blamed for the losses...if we sack the OU QB & stop a 4th & 14, we are 4-0 & Butch is King of Tennessee! The play calling has left a lot to be desired late in the 4th qtr of both losses, but if the D does their job, it's not an issue.
 
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Good grief, what part of that 4th and 14 did you not see that is was a major screw up by a player in particular? Not only did he play stupid, but it appeared he loafed covering the guy.

Same guy makes a major stupid play in the OU game on PI on a ball way out of bounds. No, it shouldn't have been called PI but his stupidity gave the ref a reason to.

There are enough plays or lack of plays made by the players that they should be coached up and accept their part of the responsibility.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
How long was the offense on the field between the final 2 UF scores? Not being a smart a$$ just curious
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I could check. I searched youtube Monday for the game and found nothing but highlights posted by the UT & UF ADs.

If memory serves, we scored our last points with about 10:00 remaining in the game. UF scored. We got the ball. UF scored again quickly. We got the final drive of slightly more than a minute of clock. Our D was certainly more rested than they were against OU.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Your idiotic paranoia and blame game is tiresome. You give way too much credit to head coaches. Ultimately, players play the game when the clock starts and you can point fingers all you want but when one receiver blocks three defenders ones effort should come into question. Not to mention numerous open receivers missed and three fumbles by Dobbs. No pass rush to speak of by the d-line against a poor oline, countless missed tackles all add up to a questionable effort by some. As a player if you can't handle being chewed out, then you are in the wrong sport or shouldn't be playing sports at all.
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Homie if you don't like what I have to say then back yourself out of my thread and stay away from it. Im not paranoid. I just mentioned what has been talked about on the radio. And I don't need to blame anybody. The game speaks for themselves.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Sinclair on Basilio and maybe someone on Swain as well, iirc, said that multiple people close to the program, including players say that Butch takes "responsibility" in the press conference but once he gets behind closed doors, starts calling out and blaming the players. I'm paraphrasing here, but that is basically what was said. Thought it was worth mentioning. Obviously players need to be held accountable but I don't know the line between blame and accountability. I never played football. I do know that these kids give their all for Butch. Hopefully Butch properly shoulders his share of the blame in front of his players and doesn't lay it all on them.
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That would make sense seeing how all the players hate him. LOL

It's very simple to know if this is true. Just watch the players. If they quit then there's an issue. But when you see players play as hard as they do for this staff then you can rest assured it's Tony Big Mouth Basilio trying to be more than he is. Which is a second rate (at best) radio talk show host.
 
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ReaderVol said:
That would make sense seeing how all the players hate him. LOL

It's very simple to know if this is true. Just watch the players. If they quit then there's an issue. But when you see players play as hard as they do for this staff then you can rest assured it's Tony Big Mouth Basilio trying to be more than he is. Which is a second rate (at best) radio talk show host.
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It wasn't Basilio that said it. It's probably a non issue but interesting to ponder.
 
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Good leaders praise in public and scold behind closed doors.

Butch is handling these losses correctly as long as he is learning himself and making needed corrections.

Fact is, I can make argument he lost two games. I can also blame a handful of players who blew their assignment on one play.

If the kicker is not wide right, if the corners played better coverage just one play, if the offense made one more first down, had the tight end caught the ball in the third quarter bs OK, the list goes on and on.

This team is close to being where they need to be.

Patience is thin in volnation, not because of this staff, but because of the last ten years of irrelevance.

Good things are coming.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Sinclair on Basilio and maybe someone on Swain as well, iirc, said that multiple people close to the program, including players say that Butch takes "responsibility" in the press conference but once he gets behind closed doors, starts calling out and blaming the players. I'm paraphrasing here, but that is basically what was said. Thought it was worth mentioning. Obviously players need to be held accountable but I don't know the line between blame and accountability. I never played football. I do know that these kids give their all for Butch. Hopefully Butch properly shoulders his share of the blame in front of his players and doesn't lay it all on them.
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This is ridiculous. Several posters on here have said Butch "throws the players under the bus" publicly, but when challenged they can't find any quotes.

So now apparently it's changed to speculation that he does it "behind closed doors". :shakehead::shakehead::shakehead:

OMFG. Can we move on? We have a tough Arkansas opponent this week.

And even if he is critical, could it not be constructive criticism, and is that not part of coaching? I mean...really!!!!

As for the high turnover, Butch ran off some underperformers. I don't like that, but it's the norm these days. Ask Saban how that works.

But again...this is ridiculous. "coach dint make any public re-marks I kin crit-i-size. I jus know he done it behind closed durs!!!!"

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Well the players are partially to blame for both losses, but if he tells a player you cost us the game, that's bullsh**. I don't think he's stupid enough to do this, he would lose his team. We will be able to tell a lot Saturday. If we come out and play with passion and energy and win we will be fine. If we come out and go through the motions, we will lose, and it will be a long year.
 
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McDad said:
Maybe CBJ should blame players on the sideline. During the game. Seems to work for McElwain at UF.
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Glad you mentioned this. That butt chewing Taylor got - Finebaum called it embarrassing, Desmond Howard called for McElwain's suspension.

Guess what? Florida didn't get ANY celebration penalties against us and probably won't for the rest of the year.

There was a camera shot of McElwain whispering something in Taylor's ear after his touchdown. Looks like they've kissed and made up.

McElwain inherited some primadonna's. He's doing what he has to in order to get that program under control. He may not be a good coach, but I like it that he wasn't afraid to suspend good players before a big game. Sends a message.

I'm a big fan of tough love. I've raised kids - it works.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Butch said he feels like they coached well enough to win which means the players lost the game.
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Given the fact that we missed a field goal by inches that would have won the game he's not wrong. "Well enough" is just that, I don't recall Jones claiming they coached a perfect game. The "it's all on the coaches" rhetoric is way out of hand, there is plenty of blame to go around. The coaches have made plenty of mistakes, but the players have also failed to execute plenty of routine plays that would have ended either game.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Sinclair on Basilio and maybe someone on Swain as well, iirc, said that multiple people close to the program, including players say that Butch takes "responsibility" in the press conference but once he gets behind closed doors, starts calling out and blaming the players. I'm paraphrasing here, but that is basically what was said. Thought it was worth mentioning. Obviously players need to be held accountable but I don't know the line between blame and accountability. I never played football. I do know that these kids give their all for Butch. Hopefully Butch properly shoulders his share of the blame in front of his players and doesn't lay it all on them.
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He doesn't take responsibility in the press conference. He lays out a generic "I'm the Head Coach" statement, then proceeds to blame units and justify all his decisions.
 
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VM rumor mill churnin' 'em out today. "What if" hate threads are always good.

I guess it's possible but until we have some objective sources I'll choose to support our HC and team and believe he's handling it appropriately. Just like I'll give CBJ 4 yrs from the dumpster fire before I do hardcore review of whether he's going to be a fit. It won't take much more of the choking in big games to make that review really, really tough on Butch, though.
 
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ochocinco said:
Got zero problem with that. It's part of the coaches job to tell players when they mess up.
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There's a difference between that and refusing to be a real leader and accepting blame yourself then always chewing out the guys not making 3 million dollars. Ask Dooley what happens when your team won't play for you because you throw them under the bus all the time. To Butch's credit, his players seem to play for him so don't think he is Dooley level in that area
 
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OrangeInKy said:
There's a difference between that and refusing to be a real leader and accepting blame yourself then always chewing out the guys not making 3 million dollars. Ask Diokey what haopen when your team won't play for you because you throw them under the bus all the time. To Butch's credit, his players seem to play for him so don't think he is Dooley level in that area
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Who has he thrown under the bus?
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but is this a thread about something a person with no access to the program or coaches or players said to someone with limited access to the program coaches and players. Damn Saturday needs to hurry up
 
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BJWeeks said:
Explains why so many players transferred in offseason
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This thread and others like it may be leading into some real truth about what may be going on behind closed doors. You know what frequency means? It the rate at which something occurs or is repeated over a period of time. There have been, and one should expect more repeated posts in forthcoming weeks regarding these inuindos. Usually comments/inuindos do not originate out of thin air.
 
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the biggest problem I have with CBJ is not the fact that he might chew the players butts out, but the fact that he actually does not take any of the blame in press conferences. he makes some stupid blanket statement how he is the head coach so he accepts all the blame because that's how it works, and then he goes on to say how they coached well enough to win. well butch obviously you did not because we blew another 2 score lead in the fourth quarter. no great or even good coach blows two two score leads in the fourth quarter . teams leading by 2 scores in the 4th quarter this season are 188-3 yep we own two of those losses. pathetic! I like butch and im not calling for his head yet, but he better stop being so arrogant and bull headed make some changes get away from the game plan and that stupid chart and coach to win! you gotta take chances and pounce on a team in the 4th quarter.
 
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I think Coach gets on too the players in the locker room, practice field, his office, etc. But that's football hell you guys that played know how it is. Now that being said, Coach Jones needs too take responsibility of playing conservative on offense. This happen late in the game he knows it, I know it, and The Volnation knows it. It happen around the 4 min something mark. If you play to lose then more and likely you will lose. My apolosists today but Im drinking a few cold beers and relaxing on Vacation. My FAMILY and I are going to the Arkansas game this weekend. We are staying in the Mountains. Theirs 11 going and 8 going to the game. VFL
 
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