Does anyone know if Kyle Alexander will play at the next level?

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I remember at one point, as a junior, ESPN projected him in the first round.

NBA mock draft: Five rising prospects for 2019
Yep. Last summer he was the only vol in most of the 2019 mock drafts, as a late first rounder at that. Crazy.

His intrigue was mostly based on size and untapped potential. He’s only been playing basketball for 5 or 6 years and he has the build of a rim-protecting shot blocker.
 
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Yep. Last summer he was the only vol in most of the 2019 mock drafts, as a late first rounder at that. Crazy.

His intrigue was mostly based on size and untapped potential. He’s only been playing basketball for 5 or 6 years and he has the build of a rim-protecting shot blocker.
That was due to him impact towards the end of last year. He had some good games this year but it wasn’t what everyone was expecting. He’ll, he should have been much better considering the attention Grant was getting every game.
 
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I think he'll get a 2 way deal with someone, doubt that it will be with Miami but you never know. He's an elite offensive rebounder, very good shot blocker, and has a nice looking jumper. He'll find somewhere to play. Just needs to be developed more.
 
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I think he'll get a 2 way deal with someone, doubt that it will be with Miami but you never know. He's an elite offensive rebounder, very good shot blocker, and has a nice looking jumper. He'll find somewhere to play. Just needs to be developed more.
You obviously know very little about basketball, dude.

“Elite” rebounder? Yeah dude, whatever you say.

The most RPG he ever averaged at UT was last season when he averaged 6 per game.

The most offensive RPG he ever averaged was also last season when he averaged 2.

So, 2 offensive rebounds per game is elite, bro? GTFO.

He played all 4 years and never once led his team in rebounds.

Go enroll in Basketball 101 and come back after you pass the final. Thanks in advance.
 
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You obviously know very little about basketball, dude.

“Elite” rebounder? Yeah dude, whatever you say.

The most RPG he ever averaged at UT was last season when he averaged 6 per game.

The most offensive RPG he ever averaged was also last season when he averaged 2.

So, 2 offensive rebounds per game is elite, bro? GTFO.

He played all 4 years and never once led his team in rebounds.

Go enroll in Basketball 101 and come back after you pass the final. Thanks in advance.
Brutal.
 
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You obviously know very little about basketball, dude.

“Elite” rebounder? Yeah dude, whatever you say.

The most RPG he ever averaged at UT was last season when he averaged 6 per game.

The most offensive RPG he ever averaged was also last season when he averaged 2.

So, 2 offensive rebounds per game is elite, bro? GTFO.

He played all 4 years and never once led his team in rebounds.

Go enroll in Basketball 101 and come back after you pass the final. Thanks in advance.
Have you seen him play? He had 4 offensive rebounds that game alone. I'm going to hit you with stats, because you seemingly know nothing about basketball.

We can all agree that grant and admiral were very good rebounders, as grant was second in the SEC and admiral was 2nd among SFs and 16th overall. Kyle had plenty of competition to get those boards.

You can't just do it per game, Kyle plays significantly less minutes than the other starters. Let's look at the per 40 minutes.

Grant: 9.4
Admiral: 7.7
Kyle: 11.2

Great, now that we've established he's our most efficient rebounder, let's look at the offensive rebounding numbers since that's the only part I mentioned.

Kyle was 4th in the SEC in offensive rebounding, which is already very good. He was second in offensive rebounding percentage, behind Bigby Williams, a noted offensive rebounding specialist.

If you do his offensive rebounding stats per 36, he's better than Donta Hall, Daniel Gafford, Nicolas Claxton, PJ Washington, Grant Williams. That's 4 NBA draft picks and another G leaguer.

Heck his per 36 rebounding number (3.92 per 36) would have been good enough for 21st in the NBA which plays at a way faster rate than college (obviously that's against other NBA competition, but that was the easiest stats to find and compare). His offensive rebound percentage would have been 6th in the NBA.

Again that's all with the second best rebounder in the SEC on his team. I'd say that's elite territory. Let me know how basketball 101 is.
 
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Have you seen him play? He had 4 offensive rebounds that game alone. I'm going to hit you with stats, because you seemingly know nothing about basketball.

We can all agree that grant and admiral were very good rebounders, as grant was second in the SEC and admiral was 2nd among SFs and 16th overall. Kyle had plenty of competition to get those boards.

You can't just do it per game, Kyle plays significantly less minutes than the other starters. Let's look at the per 40 minutes.

Grant: 9.4
Admiral: 7.7
Kyle: 11.2

Great, now that we've established he's our most efficient rebounder, let's look at the offensive rebounding numbers since that's the only part I mentioned.

Kyle was 4th in the SEC in offensive rebounding, which is already very good. He was second in offensive rebounding percentage, behind Bigby Williams, a noted offensive rebounding specialist.

If you do his offensive rebounding stats per 36, he's better than Donta Hall, Daniel Gafford, Nicolas Claxton, PJ Washington, Grant Williams. That's 4 NBA draft picks and another G leaguer.

Heck his per 36 rebounding number (3.92 per 36) would have been good enough for 21st in the NBA which plays at a way faster rate than college (obviously that's against other NBA competition, but that was the easiest stats to find and compare). His offensive rebound percentage would have been 6th in the NBA.

Again that's all with the second best rebounder in the SEC on his team. I'd say that's elite territory. Let me know how basketball 101 is.
Sick post, man. I’ll make sure to note all of your counterpoints in my journal.

If you want to hang your hat on Kyle Alexander being an “elite” rebounder go ahead and do that. Take that one to the grave with you. Just know that an elite rebounder would have been drafted.

If I’m you right now I’m applying for jobs as an NBA scout, you obviously have an eye for talent. In the interim I know a guy who could probably get you on part-time at Bass Pro. LMK if you’re interested, you’d like him, he also knows a ton about basketball.
 
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Sick post, man. I’ll make sure to note all of your counterpoints in my journal.

If you want to hang your hat on Kyle Alexander being an “elite” rebounder go ahead and do that. Take that one to the grave with you. Just know that an elite rebounder would have been drafted.

If I’m you right now I’m applying for jobs as an NBA scout, you obviously have an eye for talent. In the interim I know a guy who could probably get you on part-time at Bass Pro. LMK if you’re interested, you’d like him, he also knows a ton about basketball.
Just take your loss man.
 
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Sick post, man. I’ll make sure to note all of your counterpoints in my journal.

If you want to hang your hat on Kyle Alexander being an “elite” rebounder go ahead and do that. Take that one to the grave with you. Just know that an elite rebounder would have been drafted.

If I’m you right now I’m applying for jobs as an NBA scout, you obviously have an eye for talent. In the interim I know a guy who could probably get you on part-time at Bass Pro. LMK if you’re interested, you’d like him, he also knows a ton about basketball.
Just because he's a good offensive rebounder, doesn't mean he's good at basketball. He's still way too skinny to be effective against NBA sized centers, which also affects him on the defensive glass. He's also foul proned, and doesn't have much on an offensive game.

Just because you have one NBA skill doesn't mean you are an NBA player. Kavell Bigby Williams was one of the best offensive rebounders in all of college basketball, that didn't get him drafted either. Mike Daum was an elite scorer (7th all time) and rebounder in college, he didn't get drafted either. You have to have more than one "Elite" skill. Kyle was an elite offensive rebounder in college, the numbers back that up. He's 14th out of 896 (top 2%) in Power 5 for offensive rebounding, he's 7th (top 1%) in offensive rebounding percentage.

If top 2% isn't elite, I don't know what is. I'd consider Klay Thompson an Elite 3 point shooter, and he wasn't in the top 10% in 3 point field goal percentage in the entire NBA. I'm not pretending Kyle is anywhere near any sort of talent that Klay has, just showing that being elite can mean a lot of different things. Just because Kyle was an elite college offensive rebounder, doesn't mean it translates either, but it at least shows he has a skill that could transfer over. You're wrong, but you have nothing else to say so you resort to your unintelligible insults. I give you stats to back up an argument, you give me a job at bass pro. Let's see what you got this time. Looking forward to it.
 
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Just take your loss man.
Indy doesn't get a "L". I love Kyle Alexander, but I don't care what the stats say, a great offensive rebounder gets those rebounds when the game is on the line and KA rarely did that. Rebounding is about wanting it more and KA almost always disappeared when the game was on the on line, whether it was because of foul trouble or taking a backseat to true "Alphas" like Grant and Admitlral. I sincerely doubt KA will ever play a minute in the NBA, I hope I'm wrong, but I rarely am. Well, except maybe about Derrick Walker and DJ Burns being productive players in the SEC for UT. Dead wrong there, both bailed on UT. Still don't get it, tho. It was Walker's and Burn's turn, instead of stepping up, both transferred out like they were scared. Maybe they were asked to leave, but why leave when it's your turn to be the main men, down low ? Very disappointing
 
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Indy doesn't get a "L". I love Kyle Alexander, but I don't care what the stats say, a great offensive rebounder gets those rebounds when the game is on the line and KA rarely did that. Rebounding is about wanting it more and KA almost always disappeared when the game was on the on line, whether it was because of foul trouble or taking a backseat to true "Alphas" like Grant and Admitlral. I sincerely doubt KA will ever play a minute in the NBA, I hope I'm wrong, but I rarely am. Well, except maybe about Derrick Walker and DJ Burns being productive players in the SEC for UT. Dead wrong there, both bailed on UT. Still don't get it, tho. It was Walker's and Burn's turn, instead of stepping up, both transferred out like they were scared. Maybe they were asked to leave, but why leave when it's your turn to be the main men, down low ? Very disappointing
I get what you are saying to an extent, but there were times when Kyle helped us when the game was on the line. See Iowa in the tournament. Also, the stats are the stats, one stat is that he averaged less minutes than the rest of the starters, part of that was because we usually went small with Grant at the 5 during crunch time, which limits Kyle's ability to affect the game when it is on the line.
 
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I get what you are saying to an extent, but there were times when Kyle helped us when the game was on the line. See Iowa in the tournament. Also, the stats are the stats, one stat is that he averaged less minutes than the rest of the starters, part of that was because we usually went small with Grant at the 5 during crunch time, which limits Kyle's ability to affect the game when it is on the line.
U make some great points and bring a lot of good stats. But what it really comes down to, imo, Kyle was kinda soft, got in foul trouble, way too much and disappeared when the game was on the line and/or got physical. Like I said I love Kyle and think he has NBA skills, intelligence and size. The only thing I think he lacks is that "Alpha" killer instinct and "want to". I think the late start in basketball and growing up in Canada hurt him. Once again, jmo
 
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Have you seen him play? He had 4 offensive rebounds that game alone. I'm going to hit you with stats, because you seemingly know nothing about basketball.

We can all agree that grant and admiral were very good rebounders, as grant was second in the SEC and admiral was 2nd among SFs and 16th overall. Kyle had plenty of competition to get those boards.

You can't just do it per game, Kyle plays significantly less minutes than the other starters. Let's look at the per 40 minutes.

Grant: 9.4
Admiral: 7.7
Kyle: 11.2

Great, now that we've established he's our most efficient rebounder, let's look at the offensive rebounding numbers since that's the only part I mentioned.

Kyle was 4th in the SEC in offensive rebounding, which is already very good. He was second in offensive rebounding percentage, behind Bigby Williams, a noted offensive rebounding specialist.

If you do his offensive rebounding stats per 36, he's better than Donta Hall, Daniel Gafford, Nicolas Claxton, PJ Washington, Grant Williams. That's 4 NBA draft picks and another G leaguer.

Heck his per 36 rebounding number (3.92 per 36) would have been good enough for 21st in the NBA which plays at a way faster rate than college (obviously that's against other NBA competition, but that was the easiest stats to find and compare). His offensive rebound percentage would have been 6th in the NBA.

Again that's all with the second best rebounder in the SEC on his team. I'd say that's elite territory. Let me know how basketball 101 is.
You can't just extrapolate his numbers and assume he can sustain that same efficiency for 36 minutes. That isn't how it works. Your numbers aren't wrong, but that doesn't mean they are accurate. Then we haven't even taken into account how his numbers dipped across the board when playing against NBA level prospects this year.

If you want to live by your per 36, then are you willing to say Kyle Alexander is a better offensive rebounder than PJ Washington and Grant Williams? If you think that, then I don't think we can have an intelligent conversation on basketball. If you don't believe that; well then you have essentially admitted your stat used to prop up Kyle Alexander really isn't a good measure of one's offensive rebounding ability.

Whenever you have to start really stretching data to prove a player is good, it usually means he isn't that good.
 
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You can't just extrapolate his numbers and assume he can sustain that same efficiency for 36 minutes. That isn't how it works. Your numbers aren't wrong, but that doesn't mean they are accurate. Then we haven't even taken into account how his numbers dipped across the board when playing against NBA level prospects this year.

If you want to live by your per 36, then are you willing to say Kyle Alexander is a better offensive rebounder than PJ Washington and Grant Williams? If you think that, then I don't think we can have an intelligent conversation on basketball. If you don't believe that; well then you have essentially admitted your stat used to prop up Kyle Alexander really isn't a good measure of one's offensive rebounding ability.

Whenever you have to start really stretching data to prove a player is good, it usually means he isn't that good.
I'm super willing to say that Kyle is a better offensive rebounder than PJ and Grant. That's literally just a fact, he has a better offensive rebounding numbers than either of them, total offensive rebounding numbers, per game, per 36, and offensive rebounding percentage are all better than both of them. Literally by every single metric he's a better offensive rebounder than them.

To argue anything else would be plain stupid, but I expect nothing less from you. Just look up the stats, he averaged 2.6 offensive rebounds a game compared to 2.3 for both PJ and Grant.
 
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That's like saying James Harden isn't the best scorer in the league right now even though he averaged the most points. Like I hate harden, but that's just a fact. He led every single category. Incredible argument.
 
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I'm super willing to say that Kyle is a better offensive rebounder than PJ and Grant. That's literally just a fact, he has a better offensive rebounding numbers than either of them, total offensive rebounding numbers, per game, per 36, and offensive rebounding percentage are all better than both of them. Literally by every single metric he's a better offensive rebounder than them.

To argue anything else would be plain stupid, but I expect nothing less from you. Just look up the stats, he averaged 2.6 offensive rebounds a game compared to 2.3 for both PJ and Grant.
That first sentence. You’re off your rocker.
 
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That first sentence. You’re off your rocker.
How? Show me one metric that proves your point. Like I said earlier, just because he has one skill that he's better than them at doesn't make him a better player. They're better at probably everything else other than shot blocking potentially, but he's a better offensive rebounder. It's just a fact. You've either lost your mind or are too stubborn to admit you're wrong. I don't really care which one it is.
 
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I'm super willing to say that Kyle is a better offensive rebounder than PJ and Grant. That's literally just a fact, he has a better offensive rebounding numbers than either of them, total offensive rebounding numbers, per game, per 36, and offensive rebounding percentage are all better than both of them. Literally by every single metric he's a better offensive rebounder than them.

To argue anything else would be plain stupid, but I expect nothing less from you. Just look up the stats, he averaged 2.6 offensive rebounds a game compared to 2.3 for both PJ and Grant.
You're not taking into account varying roles. What if the offense didn't run through PJ and Grant and all they had to do was rim run and rebound? You don't think their numbers on the offensive glass would be better? Again to say Kyle is a better rebounder of any kind than those 2 is a bad take. Then again, that's par for the course for you it seems when it comes to your love affair with Kyle.
 
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You're not taking into account varying roles. What if the offense didn't run through PJ and Grant and all they had to do was rim run and rebound? You don't think their numbers on the offensive glass would be better? Again to say Kyle is a better rebounder of any kind than those 2 is a bad take. Then again, that's par for the course for you it seems when it comes to your love affair with Kyle.
No, I just don't discredit Kyle any chance I get. Your argument is that I'm right, but you don't like that I'm right so you say I'm wrong because you think I'm wrong.

Because the offense doesn't run through DeAndre Jordan, that means he's not a good rebounder? Literally what are you arguing? He had a role and excelled at it, so he should be faulted for that? It's not like Grant and PJ took every shot, and they were largely in the post anyway if they weren't taking shots. How many offensive rebounds did those two get off their own shots? Should we count that?

We can have a million what ifs, but the reality is he's a better offensive rebounder than them. You and Indy can die on this hill even with the avalanche of evidence proving you wrong, be my guest.
 

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