Does anyone else think that Franklin is shady?

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TNHopeful505

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Okay, so...

Leon McQuay III. 5* prospect. Lists Florida State, USC, and Vanderbilt as "high" on his rivals page.

But the guy has a 19 on the ACT, 900 on the SAT, and a "4.73" GPA. I'm sorry, but how the junk do you get a 4.73 GPA?

So my thing is.....how you gonna tell me that Vanderbilt has done well enough to get to "high" on this guy, when he can't get higher than a 19 on the ACT, and a 900 on the SAT.

Something just ain't right. Vanderbilt is one of the best academic entities out there....and this guy doesn't look like he is.

Anyone else think Franklin may be doing some sketchy things to make recruiting happen like it is?

Hate to judge....but it's Vanderbilt.

If they're doing anything right on a field, there's gotta be something going on.
 
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There is such a thing as a 5 point scale for GPA.


But yeah...I think he's shady.
 
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I have been thinking the same thing myself. There's just no way some of these guys have the grades to get into vandy
 
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It is like Kiffin getting kids from Florida,Kentucky,(Dawson) and the 5* DB kid from Nashville to go to USC. Hope Tee Martin comes to Tenn and keep this kid in state with UT.
 
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He's not the only one doing everything he can to get 5* guys on campus. It's a business.

Still shady, though...
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Okay, so...

Leon McQuay III. 5* prospect. Lists Florida State, USC, and Vanderbilt as "high" on his rivals page.

But the guy has a 19 on the ACT, 900 on the SAT, and a "4.73" GPA. I'm sorry, but how the junk do you get a 4.73 GPA?

So my thing is.....how you gonna tell me that Vanderbilt has done well enough to get to "high" on this guy, when he can't get higher than a 19 on the ACT, and a 900 on the SAT.

Something just ain't right. Vanderbilt is one of the best academic entities out there....and this guy doesn't look like he is.

Anyone else think Franklin may be doing some sketchy things to make recruiting happen like it is?

Hate to judge....but it's Vanderbilt.

If they're doing anything right on a field, there's gotta be something going on.
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A lot of schools use a 6.0 scale with a standard class being out of 4, an honors class being out of 5 and an ap class being out of 6. As far as the act score, all schools have different academic standards for athletes. I remember forever ago when I was touring Duke before undergrad, and they came flat out and said that they have averages but the main thing they are looking for is somebody that bring something to the university. Therefore if you brought being a good football or basketball player to the university, you could get in with lower test scores. As towhy he is interested in Vandy, HG could come here and tell you the story better, but something happened with his dad when he was playing that lead him to value academics for his son very much. I want to say that itwas that his dad was a top recruit and couldn't get in anywhere, but don't remember the story enough to be positive.
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Vandy has had, for a long time, a deal with Peabody College as far a course offerings, etc. are concerned.
 
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I'm just saying, it's rare that you find a 5* player who happens to be a genius as well.

And when you look at the guy in question....he doesn't look (no offense) like the smartest light bulb in the knife drawer.
 
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vol2013 said:
A lot of schools use a 6.0 scale with a standard class being out of 4, an honors class being out of 5 and an ap class being out of 6. As far as the act score, all schools have different academic standards for athletes. I remember forever ago when I was touring Duke before undergrad, and they came flat out and said that they have averages but the main thing they are looking for is somebody that bring something to the university. Therefore if you brought being a good football or basketball player to the university, you could get in with lower test scores. As towhy he is interested in Vandy, HG could come here and tell you the story better, but something happened with his dad when he was playing that lead him to value academics for his son very much. I want to say that itwas that his dad was a top recruit and couldn't get in anywhere, but don't remember the story enough to be positive.
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Well, there's an interesting view point....

But I still think Franklin is shady. :detective:
 
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rickyyrs said:
It is like Kiffin getting kids from Florida,Kentucky,(Dawson) and the 5* DB kid from Nashville to go to USC. Hope Tee Martin comes to Tenn and keep this kid in state with UT.
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Not really, USC has always recruited nationally. Plus you then add in the fact that Kiffin has added staff members that are connected to the sputh such as Tee Martin and Ed Orgeron from his time at Ole Miss.
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I knew kids that were stars at their high school, never played college ball, who had awesome grades in high school because they were the stars of their little town and failed outta college because they couldn't hack it their first year.
 
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I don't think it is shady at all. A lot of schools have different GPA scales that could make his GPA 4.73, similar to a 3.0 or 3.5 on a normal 4.0 scale. His ACT and SAT scores indicate that he is performing right at average or just slightly below for a student in his state. It could just be that his high school classes aren't that hard or he has been receiving a lot of help to keep his grades above average. I don't like Franklin and I am sure he like many other coaches are pushing the boundaries everyday, but I don't think it all falls on Franklin.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Okay, so...

Leon McQuay III. 5* prospect. Lists Florida State, USC, and Vanderbilt as "high" on his rivals page.

But the guy has a 19 on the ACT, 900 on the SAT, and a "4.73" GPA. I'm sorry, but how the junk do you get a 4.73 GPA?

So my thing is.....how you gonna tell me that Vanderbilt has done well enough to get to "high" on this guy, when he can't get higher than a 19 on the ACT, and a 900 on the SAT.

Something just ain't right. Vanderbilt is one of the best academic entities out there....and this guy doesn't look like he is.

Anyone else think Franklin may be doing some sketchy things to make recruiting happen like it is?

Hate to judge....but it's Vanderbilt.

If they're doing anything right on a field, there's gotta be something going on.
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u can't be serious! To tell u the truth. I thought were going to hire him. I do hope butch does great here, but I do feel franklin would have been a better hire.
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TNHopeful505 said:
Okay, so...

Leon McQuay III. 5* prospect. Lists Florida State, USC, and Vanderbilt as "high" on his rivals page.

But the guy has a 19 on the ACT, 900 on the SAT, and a "4.73" GPA. I'm sorry, but how the junk do you get a 4.73 GPA?

So my thing is.....how you gonna tell me that Vanderbilt has done well enough to get to "high" on this guy, when he can't get higher than a 19 on the ACT, and a 900 on the SAT.

Something just ain't right. Vanderbilt is one of the best academic entities out there....and this guy doesn't look like he is.

Anyone else think Franklin may be doing some sketchy things to make recruiting happen like it is?

Hate to judge....but it's Vanderbilt.

If they're doing anything right on a field, there's gotta be something going on.
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The shady part is that the kid has 4.73 GPA but has a 900 SAT and a 19 on the ACT. One of those things is not like the others.
 
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Not sure... If he is, he's got an amazing fake tan.
 
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Vol Catdaddy said:
u can't be serious! To tell u the truth. I thought were going to hire him. I do hope butch does great here, but I do feel franklin would have been a better hire.
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Are you Clay Travis?

No way in the armpit of Satan would we have ever hired Franklin!

Better odds of us bringing Neyland back from the dead!

To think that Tennessee has to go take a coach from VANDY because we thought that was the best we could do?

Yeah right. Franklin can stay and rot in Vandy. Can't stand the guy.
 
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Every coach is shady to a certain degree. I don't think he is shady in this instance though.
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Kenny F. Powers said:
I don't think it is shady at all. A lot of schools have different GPA scales that could make his GPA 4.73, similar to a 3.0 or 3.5 on a normal 4.0 scale. His ACT and SAT scores indicate that he is performing right at average or just slightly below for a student in his state. It could just be that his high school classes aren't that hard or he has been receiving a lot of help to keep his grades above average. I don't like Franklin and I am sure he like many other coaches are pushing the boundaries everyday, but I don't think it all falls on Franklin.
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If the 4.73 is on an 8 point scale I'll buy it. OTOH, schools do sometimes manipulate grades for athletes.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Are you Clay Travis?

No way in the armpit of Satan would we have ever hired Franklin!

Better odds of us bringing Neyland back from the dead!

To think that Tennessee has to go take a coach from VANDY because we thought that was the best we could do?

Yeah right. Franklin can stay and rot in Vandy. Can't stand the guy.
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nope,but he can recruit in the SEC. His teams are very competitive. 2 bowl games In the sec. I really thought we would have a guy that knows what daggers and arrows they are going to encounter in this league. I really want Butch to be successful here on the hill.jmo
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BigOrangeTailgate said:
The shady part is that the kid has 4.73 GPA but has a 900 SAT and a 19 on the ACT. One of those things is not like the others.
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This is why colleges care more about SAT/ACT scores now. Our "rival" school in my hometown graduated 40 valedictorians for five years. I told one of my college recruiters that (he was from Yale) and he looked at me and laughed and said they wouldn't even look at a kid from that school without a minimum 30+ ACT score. and even then probably wouldn't consider taking them because courses like that are what is ruining our graduates.
 
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BigOrangeTailgate said:
If the 4.73 is on an 8 point scale I'll buy it. OTOH, schools do sometimes manipulate grades for athletes.
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He also goes to a school where only 22% of people actuslly take the ACT, and of those 22% the average was an 18.5. Seeing as grades tend to be relative by school, I don't think it is that hard to believe somebody would be uparound the top of his class. Especially when you take into account variance of an individuals standardized test taking ability.
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Why do I see threads on Vandy or James Franklin a few times a week on a Vol message board? If you want to talk Vandy go somewhere else..PLEASE!
 
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Vol Catdaddy said:
nope,but he can recruit in the SEC. His teams are very competitive. 2 bowl games In the sec. I really thought we would have a guy that knows what daggers and arrows they are going to encounter in this league. I really want Butch to be successful here on the hill.jmo
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See, I realize yes, he's won games. But he won games that any SEC team should have won:

Presbyterian?
Massachusetts?
Wake Forest?
Elon?
Army?
Connecticut (Probably his best win)

And then the SEC Teams?
Auburn (A joke this year)
Ole Miss (probably their best win)
Tennessee (yes, even we were a joke this year)
Kentucky (Worst team in SEC/country)

And then next year, their schedule is plush again, with the exception of adding A&M, who will destroy them.

I'm just not sold that franklin is that great. He's won some games, but nothing that I was impressed with.

And again, I'm not saying we're great by any stretch, dooley couldn't have beat some of those teams probably. BUT...I just don't think Franklin is the stuff that everyone cracks him up to be. JMO
 
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Football players go to Peabody not Vanderbilt, that is how he gets them in, our guys need to go to Pellissippi State, that would help
 
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