Does anyone else agree with this crap?

#76
#76
hatvol96 said:
Ok, two can play at that. Exclusing UCLA, what exactly has the PAC 10 done in basketball for the last 40 years. Pretty much nothing.
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I agree. But remember your comment was that the SEC was VASTLY superior. not trying to get into semantics here, ok maybe i am.
 
#77
#77
droski said:
I agree. But remember your comment was that the SEC was VASTLY superior. not trying to get into semantics here, ok maybe i am.
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The SEC has been vastly superior. I actually had this discussion with one of your conference's coaches in Vegas last December. He readily admits the SEC is a superior league.
 
#78
#78
hatvol96 said:
They're good players, certainly. However, there's no way they win that many close games again.
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why not? senior leadership is what matters in the tourney and in close games. they have most of their players back. most of the pac-10 will be relatively young.
 
#79
#79
droski said:
why not? senior leadership is what matters in the tourney and in close games. they have most of their players back. most of the pac-10 will be relatively young.
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Lack of talent always catches up with a team eventually. Also, without Ivory Clark, they're going to get annihilated inside.
 
#80
#80
hatvol96 said:
The PAC 10 next year breaks down like this:
UCLA and Arizona will be very good. USC will be immensely talented, but suffer significant growing pains. Washington State will fall back to earth. Washington will be decent. Stanford will be a top 25 team if they can get competent guard play. Cal will be what they have generally been under Ben Braun, mediocre. Oregon will return to mediocrity. Arizona State will be improved, but still bad. Oregon State will be disgraceful.
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Sounds familliar.
 
#81
#81
hatvol96 said:
The SEC has been vastly superior. I actually had this discussion with one of your conference's coaches in Vegas last December. He readily admits the SEC is a superior league.
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next season tenn will be good, who else? vandy (who do they return)? the pac-10 will certainly be better next season.
 
#82
#82
droski said:
why not? senior leadership is what matters in the tourney and in close games. they have most of their players back. most of the pac-10 will be relatively young.
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How much senior leadership did Florida have the last two years?
 
#83
#83
hatvol96 said:
Lack of talent always catches up with a team eventually. Also, without Ivory Clark, they're going to get annihilated inside.
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cowgill is a good inside player too. I'll defer to your knowledge here. I'm no college basketball expert. I follow the pac-10 and pretty much no one else.
 
#84
#84
droski said:
next season tenn will be good, who else? vandy (who do they return)? the pac-10 will certainly be better next season.
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If you're taking one year snapshots, the answer will always be changing. However, year in year out, the PAC 10 doesn't match up with the SEC, ACC, and Big East.
 
#85
#85
droski said:
cowgill is a good inside player too. I'll defer to your knowledge here. I'm no college basketball expert. I follow the pac-10 and pretty much no one else.
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If a guy as thin as Cowgill is your primary rebounder, you've got problems.
 
#86
#86
hatvol96 said:
If you're taking one year snapshots, the answer will always be changing. However, year in year out, the PAC 10 doesn't match up with the SEC, ACC, and Big East.
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No doubt. I just don't think the SEC is in the same league with the ACC or Big East.
 
#87
#87
hatvol96 said:
If a guy as thin as Cowgill is your primary rebounder, you've got problems.
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he's a good shot blocker. No team in the pac-10 has much of an inside presence. Maybe that changes with love and mayo, but I'm not sure. I was actually pretty surpised UCLA went as far as they did.
 
#89
#89
droski said:
he's a good shot blocker. No team in the pac-10 has much of an inside presence. Maybe that changes with love and mayo, but I'm not sure. I was actually pretty surpised UCLA went as far as they did.
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Taj Gibson's better than Cowgill, so are Pendergraph at ASU, Love at UCLA, and the Lopez twins at Stanford. I'll be nice and give him the benefit of the doubt over Brockman at UW and assume Hardin at Cal is going to stay in the draft.
 
#91
#91
I know you said past 15 years, but I still think this is an intersting stat:

Total NCAA bids:
Big East: 340 (21 per school) (largest % Louisville 9.7%)
ACC: 212 (17 per school) (largest % North Carolina 18%)
SEC: 192 (16 per school) (largest % kentucky 25%)
Pac-10: 164 (16 per school) (largest % UCLA 25%)
 
#92
#92
hatvol96 said:
Taj Gibson's better than Cowgill, so are Pendergraph at ASU, Love at UCLA, and the Lopez twins at Stanford. I'll be nice and give him the benefit of the doubt over Brockman at UW and assume Hardin at Cal is going to stay in the draft.
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Hardin wont get drafted. Unless some idiot NBA scout wants to draft a guy based soley on his body type. Hardin hasn't dominated a single game at cal. Anderson as a freshman was 100X better than hardin has ever been.
 
#93
#93
droski said:
I know you said past 15 years, but I still think this is an intersting stat:

Total NCAA bids:
Big East: 340 (21 per school) (largest % Louisville 9.7%)
ACC: 212 (17 per school) (largest % North Carolina 18%)
SEC: 192 (16 per school) (largest % kentucky 25%)
Pac-10: 164 (16 per school) (largest % UCLA 25%)
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The Big East has 16 teams. Further, history benefits the Big East in that measure because many of their members have come from other leagues, thus the days when a given conference only got one bid allowed, for example, Louisville to win the MVC, Villanova to win the Eastern Eight, and Marquette, Notre Dame and DePaul to get bids as Independents. The SEC and ACC would have only had the opportunity to get one bid in those years. Also, run those numbers for the last 15 years and you'll get a somewhat different picture.
 
#94
#94
hatvol96 said:
The Big East has 16 teams. Further, history benefits the Big East in that measure because many of their members have come from other leagues, thus the days when a given conference only got one bid allowed, for example, Louisville to win the MVC, Villanova to win the Eastern Eight, and Marquette, Notre Dame and DePaul to get bids as Independents. The SEC and ACC would have only had the opportunity to get one bid in those years. Also, run those numbers for the last 15 years and you'll get a somewhat different picture.
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Hmm interesting. I respect your opinion when it comes to basketball, so I will bow to your greater knowledge here.
 
#95
#95
what do you think of kent as a coach? seems to me that if he was even half decent oregon would be challenging for final fours ever year.
 
#96
#96
droski said:
what do you think of kent as a coach? seems to me that if he was even half decent oregon would be challenging for final fours ever year.
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I think he's just competent enough to remain employed. However, I think the style they play leads people to overrate their personnel. Some equate scoring a bunch of points with good basketball. The Ducks are perennially weak on the boards and woeful on defense.
 
#97
#97
hatvol96 said:
I think he's just competent enough to remain employed. However, I think the style they play leads people to overrate their personnel. Some equate scoring a bunch of points with good basketball. The Ducks are perennially weak on the boards and woeful on defense.
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agreed, but I go by the theory that offense is talent and defense is execution
 
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