Dobbs Passing

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This is Dobbs' team. Even if Dormady could potentially be better, I think you risk dividing the team and creating real problems. Unless Dobbs gets injured, he needs to stay the starter.
 
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eh, he is what he is as a passer. he is better than he was last year, especially going down the field. which is what most of us wanted to see. that said, he's still not a super efficient passer, but you really can't look at this team and say they'd be appreciably better w/out him calling the plays. he's dynamic as a runner, and his escapability never ceases to amaze. and he's a lot more physical as a runner than people give him credit for.

he tends to hold on to the ball a little too long, i wish he had a better pocket presence. there was a sack he took from his left in the 1st quarter, where to his right was tons of green grass. that was a little frustrating. but later in the game he made a very smart play on a roll out to his right where the threw it way and avoided a sack. good play.

right now, i wouldn't trade him though. dude is a baller. he's definitely "the guy" that gives us a shot to win any game we play. especially considering how our offensive line can get pushed around at times....his athletic ability gives him a shot at turning nothing in to something....something that QD doesn't have, at least to the level that Dobbs has.
 
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davethevol said:
This is Dobbs' team. Even if Dormady could potentially be better, I think you risk dividing the team and creating real problems. Unless Dobbs gets injured, he needs to stay the starter.
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Agreed...nobody in their right mind wants that right now. OP is grabbing a a "told ya so" moment to stir up something. It makes him feel good to introduce a non-existent controversy.
 
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sechamp2012 said:
Maybe just limit his throws to screens and shuttle passes in OT. The one against Oklahoma and TAM were doomed from release.

And weren't both on 1st down, talk about sudden death
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Am waiting for the game to be replayed. I think on his OT pass, the area had too many A&M players in it to have thrown the ball, even if it had been in the general area of our man. But what I want to see is the area he had to run straight up field in. Looked like to me, he had room for a good 8-10 yd. run. If so, the statement on his "read problems" is pointed up once again.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Dobbs is impressively improved, especially on long ball accuracy this year, which was my main gripe. He's put us in a position to win every game and I'm glad he's leading this team.

We will be a much better passing team when QD is the QB. Will that translate into being a better overall team...who knows?

The OP would do well to remember call-out threads can cut both ways. His long-standing bias will likely be remembered next year.
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unfortunately the QB needs a good set of wheels to have success in this offense. Can QD run well enough to win, who knows.
 
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johnrlansford said:
Does anyone still think this team would be a better passing team if Dormady was our Starting QB?
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No way! He does make some bad throws, but he has improved dramatically. We are REALLY going to miss him next year. Imo, Jarrett Guarantano is more likely to be our guy, particularly because of his running ability, but it's hard to say...
 
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Is this a joke? Let me see he just came off a game where he passed for 390 plus yards, and threw probably the best hail Mary pass in UT history and you are talking about our great back up, really. Stupidity reins supreme.
 
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jakez4ut said:
eh, he is what he is as a passer. he is better than he was last year, especially going down the field. which is what most of us wanted to see. that said, he's still not a super efficient passer, but you really can't look at this team and say they'd be appreciably better w/out him calling the plays. he's dynamic as a runner, and his escapability never ceases to amaze. and he's a lot more physical as a runner than people give him credit for.

he tends to hold on to the ball a little too long, i wish he had a better pocket presence. there was a sack he took from his left in the 1st quarter, where to his right was tons of green grass. that was a little frustrating. but later in the game he made a very smart play on a roll out to his right where the threw it way and avoided a sack. good play.

right now, i wouldn't trade him though. dude is a baller. he's definitely "the guy" that gives us a shot to win any game we play. especially considering how our offensive line can get pushed around at times....his athletic ability gives him a shot at turning nothing in to something....something that QD doesn't have, at least to the level that Dobbs has.
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Your statement is right on. But does not answer to question the topic posed, who is the better passer to make this team go. No background on any other QB on team.
 
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Lilcarl731 said:
He made a bad decision on last play but in general I think since 2nd half of Florida game he has thrown better balls. Amazing what confidence can do. I also know he makes plays no one else can and many times on crucial 3rd downs
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Fumbles and turnovers are his problem. Way too many for an experienced,Senior QB.
 
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Would we have beaten GA? FL? Or even App State if Dormady was QB?!? Only asking for Dormady because Dobbs was intercepted in 2 OT...🙄🙄

Can't wait to see what record is next season with Dormady at helm.. (I hope good, don't want to see him fail)..
 
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Is this for real? Dude... Put a freaking S and a cape on Dobbs. The guy is our biggest playmaker. He is the leader of the team. He is level headed no matter the situation. The biggest reason why we are 5 and 1? Joshua Dobbs. He is a little responsible for the 1 as well... But we wouldn't be able to get to the double ot without him.

This kid is the definition of the Butch Jones era. Don't even play. His passing is much improved and he seems to be getting better every week. He made 1 freaking mistake... But how many times has he bailed us out of the deep end with his legs and arms?

Dobbs never quits and his accuracy though spotty at times... Is good enough. I have faith in this man. He's no kid. He's playing big boy ball.
 
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govols105 said:
dobbs plays horrible in overtime. we should never go to overtime with dobbs again. we will lose.
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because the man isn't allowed to make mistakes.
Dobbs knew it. He will learn from it.

If you can out play him suit up Im betting anything Dobbs makes it look a hell of a lot easier than it is with the Line he has.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Agreed...nobody in their right mind wants that right now. OP is grabbing a a "told ya so" moment to stir up something. It makes him feel good to introduce a non-existent controversy.
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yeah, it was a bad pass, i wouldn't argue about that. but in the end, it's really almost fitting that the game ended on another turnover.

he's a very good leader, and he does a great job of helping set the tone, keeping confidence up , and making plays.

lastly, we left 14 points, or at least 10, on the field due to fumbles in the red zone. if we only had 3 of the 7 turnovers we probably win by 7-10 points.

as the game played on, being down, it forces you to go with lower % plays, and under the circumstances, it is what it is, and we still had a legit shot at winning the game.

there's a reason they were celebrating as much as they were. they know they're the ones that escaped this time.

imagine being an aTm fan....we got 7 turnovers and it had to got OT????

again, show me another team that can go in to a stadium like that, against a top 10 team, have 12 penalties, 7 turnovers, missing 4 starters, lose 3 more players to injury during the game, and force 2 overtimes? you can't.

you know we made them punt 11 times??? it was feast or famine for them.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
unfortunately the QB needs a good set of wheels to have success in this offense. Can QD run well enough to win, who knows.
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That is simply not true, respectfully. Look at the QB's Butch very successfully used at Cincy as evidence.

Dormady is mobile like a Trevor Knight. He doesn't have Dobb's escapability, but he was a high 4.5 guy like Dobbs coming out of HS. This offense doesn't require a Michael Vick, only someone who is a threat every now and then to make a defense pay for selling out in pass coverage. A QB who can read, and make quick decisions is just as valuable and that, I believe, is what QD brings to the table.
 
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He did a good job on Saturday except the overtime throw. If you look at a replay there were 4 A&M players within a few yards of the receiver and the throw was not near our receiver. I don't know who made the call but why did they choose to go for the score on the first play. Did this remind you of the overtime interception in the Oklahoma game last year!!!!
When you score 35 pts and have a net 684 yds you should win easily.
There were 2 occasions where instead of falling on the fumble Dobbs tried to pick it up. Just fall on it and go to the next play. Footballs don't bounce like a basketball! Even young players learn that!! You can't give a bad team 7 turnovers and expect to win.
I will give them credit that they don't give up, but putting yourself in the hole by double digits every game was bound to catch up with them sooner or later!!
Go Vols !!!!!
 
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praxite33 said:
Is this for real? Dude... Put a freaking S and a cape on Dobbs. The guy is our biggest playmaker. He is the leader of the team. He is level headed no matter the situation. The biggest reason why we are 5 and 1? Joshua Dobbs. He is a little responsible for the 1 as well... But we wouldn't be able to get to the double ot without him.

This kid is the definition of the Butch Jones era. Don't even play. His passing is much improved and he seems to be getting better every week. He made 1 freaking mistake... But how many times has he bailed us out of the deep end with his legs and arms?

Dobbs never quits and his accuracy though spotty at times... Is good enough. I have faith in this man. He's no kid. He's playing big boy ball.
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This is exactly what people are missing. Tennessee shouldn't have had a chance to win it. This team has bough into what Butch Jones has been preaching for years and its showing up on the field. Dobbs makes the throws are they always pretty no but they find a way to the target. Dobbs has led this team on game winning drives time and again. He is the best option at this point and the offense rolls when Dobbs rolls. If Dobbs doesent the O is stagnant and stale which is proven by the first half of every game before aTm.
 
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savannahfan said:
Your statement is right on. But does not answer to question the topic posed, who is the better passer to make this team go. No background on any other QB on team.
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i think it does answer it. just being a better passer isn't what matters. is QD a better pure passer? sure, probably so. but could he do what dobbs has done this year?

probably not. so having him in there, would not make us any better than we are. in fact, i'd say we might have a couple of losses if not for Dobbs.

there's more to it than just passing. would we have maybe looked better against App and Ohio, probably, because he might be able to take advantage of the outside match ups a little better.

but could he take the hits that Dobbs did against FL and still get it out on time, and on target? could he make the runs Dobbs made against VT, FL and GA?

would an opposing coach make the statement "i can't wait until he graduates" about QD?

probably not. i don't want to come off d4hesque about dobbs here, but there's really no contest here. Dobbs has been mostly very good to great this season. that's not really even debatable.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Agreed...nobody in their right mind wants that right now. OP is grabbing a a "told ya so" moment to stir up something. It makes him feel good to introduce a non-existent controversy.
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And for some odd reason, he's doing it after Dobbs just threw for a career high 398 yards.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
That is simply not true, respectfully. Look at the QB's Butch very successfully used at Cincy as evidence.

Dormady is mobile like a Trevor Knight. He doesn't have Dobb's escapability, but he was a high 4.5 guy like Dobbs coming out of HS. This offense doesn't require a Michael Vick, only someone who is a threat every now and then to make a defense pay for selling out in pass coverage. A QB who can read, and make quick decisions is just as valuable and that, I believe, is what QD brings to the table.
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Then please explain why when Dobbs runs the offense starts to get going. If we don't need Dobbs type wheels then theres no reason for the instant pick up.

I didn't say we need a Vick type but Tennessee cant have a concrete statue back there either.
 
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govols105 said:
dobbs plays horrible in overtime. we should never go to overtime with dobbs again. we will lose.
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Sportstalk on WNML said that OT INT was a fatigue mistake. I tend to agree. The guy is a warrior and gives his all. There aren't any QBs that can play mistake free football. He has put us in a position to win every game he plays in. With 21+ other players involved, I don't think you can ask any more of him. Honestly, I believe too much is asked of him. That is why I am so excited about Kamara's performance on Saturday.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Then please explain why when Dobbs runs the offense starts to get going. If we don't need Dobbs type wheels then theres no reason for the instant pick up.

I didn't say we need a Vick type but Tennessee cant have a concrete statue back there either.
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to me....it gets the O line in a rhythm. i've said it all year, when Dobbs gets to running just a little bit, it's amazing how many things start to open up.....the running backs start to get yards, we start seeing man on man outside, and when defenses start to apply pressure it opens up stuff underneath, like it did saturday....we absolutely killed them screen after screen after screen.

as our offensive line gets better in the years to come, the QB run won't have to be something to rely on to get things going, it should be something that just becomes part of the aresnal, and you wouldn't have to have a dynamic runner at qb....you may see that starting with JG next year. by all accounts, he's very athletic, and could be a better passer than Dobbs. that kid could be a real weapon.

i was glad they got Dobbs running a littler earlier this week, it definitely had an affect. it changes the way they have to defend.

that, and i have to say that it looks like our conditioning does in fact pay off later in the games. the gashes start happening a little more often as the 2nd half goes on.
 
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Dobbs is the leader and playmaker of this team. He may have a few more interceptions than we'd like but I can count 3 on the year that we're in reciever hands and popped out and went to the defense. He just threw for 398 against a good defense and he probably had 50+ more yards that receivers dropped. QD is a good passer and I think he's also a good quarterback, but next year I think Jarrett Guarantano will be the start week 1 or at least win the job during the first couple of games.
 
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