Dobbs NFL aspirations

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Daloth said:
Let's be more fair here... We talk so much smack on Jones and Dobbs (both justified in most instances, especially Butch) but the real question here is this:

As Good as Prescott has proven to be, how bad were his college teams and coaching that he went 34-18 in 4 years, or a ~52% win percentage?
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Put MSU in the East and he prolly has 40+ wins.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs numbers should have been even better. I've consistently said Dobbs is more talented than Prescott. Dobbs should have been blowing Dak's numbers out of the water.

A good coach would have had Dobbs putting up numbers like Deshaun Watson and he would be in the playoffs as well.

Butch Jones wasted a talent like Dobbs who will be a dominant player in the NFL.

You guys just don't want to believe Dobbs can be this great in the NFL cause you don't want to believe you have such a failure for a head coach.
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Butch wasn't the one throwing balls in the dirt after 2 weeks of preparations vs USC....
 
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BigOrangeD said:
With some NFL blocking, Dobbs may doing something great. We know he is smart enough.
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I wonder if in some ways his intelligence hinders his decision making on the football field. I think he may be a bit of a perfectionist and, as in his class work, wants and expects to make the perfect decision. On the other hand he's likely being coached to make quicker decisions and get rid of the ball quicker. This has lead to conflict with his instincts and too much thinking.

With the right professional coaching he may realize that often 'good enough' is enough.

At least that's my unprofessional guess.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs still has the higher QB rating.

Explain that away.
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No, you explain it to me.

How does Dobbs have a higher QB rating when he threw for 1000+ less yards, less touchdowns, twice as many interceptions, and at a lower percentage?

You can go and throw that statistic around, but anyone with common sense can look at the actual numbers and see Dak was better BY FAR.
 
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I could see him as kind of Eli Manning-esque personality wise: calm, cool, and collected. Not a world-beater, like Peyton or Brady, but with enough weapons around him, a winner.
 
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LittleCat said:
No, you explain it to me.

How does Dobbs have a higher QB rating when he threw for 1000+ less yards, less touchdowns, twice as many interceptions, and at a lower percentage?

You can go and throw that statistic around, but anyone with common sense can look at the actual numbers and see Dak was better BY FAR.
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Because he was more efficient per pass attempt.

Dobbs averaged 8.3 yards per attempt compared to Dak's 8.0 yards per pass attempt.

And Dobbs threw for 26 TDs on just 27 pass attempts per game. While Dak only threw for 29 TDs on 37 pass attempts per game.

Unlike the raw numbers that don't take into account EFFICIENCY. The QB Rating does. So yes Dobbs did threw for less yards but on a per pass attempt basis he was more efficient. He threw for more yards per pass. And he was more likely to throw a TD per pass attempt.

Simple math.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
Why are you on our board? I have had enough of you, go back to that worthless board at Miss State.
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Posters on this board have nothing to do with if or when "you've had enough", Fiji. Your post wreaks of a petulant, self-absorbed, spoiled brat....
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Because he was more efficient per pass attempt.

Dobbs averaged 8.3 yards per attempt compared to Dak's 8.0 yards per pass attempt.

And Dobbs threw for 26 TDs on just 27 pass attempts per game. While Dak only threw for 29 TDs on 37 pass attempts per game.

Unlike the raw numbers that don't take into account EFFICIENCY. The QB Rating does. So yes Dobbs did threw for less yards but on a per pass attempt basis he was more efficient. He threw for more yards per pass. And he was more likely to throw a TD per pass attempt.

Simple math.
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The adjusted yards/attempt actually favors Dak.

That is one case where the advanced stats screw up something that is quite simple.

Dobbs throws a lot more interceptions. He completes a lot less passes. He throws less touchdowns. Those are the stats that matter. Not a .3 difference in Y/A.
 
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I really never understood the Dobbs won't try to play pro ball people. Why the hell wouldn't he. Guy has his whole life to have a regular job. Only get 1 shot to live a dream. I hope he gets drafted and balls out wherever he goes.
 
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ToineMac said:
I really never understood the Dobbs won't try to play pro ball people. Why the hell wouldn't he. Guy has his whole life to have a regular job. Only get 1 shot to live a dream. I hope he gets drafted and balls out wherever he goes.
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Of course he will and hope he does well. We will find out within the first 4 years if he fits the NFL game. His great future outside of football will be waiting on him whether he plays in the league 1 year or 13
 
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LittleCat said:
The adjusted yards/attempt actually favors Dak.

That is one case where the advanced stats screw up something that is quite simple.

Dobbs throws a lot more interceptions. He completes a lot less passes. He throws less touchdowns. Those are the stats that matter. Not a .3 difference in Y/A.
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In terms of raw totals? Yes. FYI Dobbs has one more game to go so its possible that he surpasses Dak's 29 TDs in 13 games.

But anyways even if Dobbs doesn't throw another pass, he would still be more efficient than Dak on a per pass basis when it comes to scoring TDs.

2016 Dobbs: 319 pass attempts, 26 passing TDs = 12.2 pass attempts per TD pass

2015 Prescott: 477 pass attempts, 29 passing TDs = 16.4 pass attempts per TD pass

You see how math works. Dobbs is more efficient per pass attempt not only in getting more yards but also being more likely to score a TD. That is why Dobbs even with the propensity to throw more picks still has the higher QB rating.

QB Rating = measure of EFFICIENCY
 
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ToineMac said:
I really never understood the Dobbs won't try to play pro ball people. Why the hell wouldn't he. Guy has his whole life to have a regular job. Only get 1 shot to live a dream. I hope he gets drafted and balls out wherever he goes.
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Never got it either.

There were people actively arguing with me as recently as a week ago about whether Dobbs would even try to play in the NFL. It never quite made any sense to me. You only have your 20s and early 30s to play a professional sport like football. However, you can be an engineer the rest of your life. The idea Josh couldn't do both made no sense to me.
 
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BearCat204 said:
What's Dobbs's QBR?
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Total Quarterback Rating - College Football - ESPN

Dobbs 2016 = 76.7 QBR (16th in the nation)

Prescott 2015 = 78.8 QBR (14th in the nation).

Like the normal QB Rating not much of a difference between the two. Dobbs is slightly higher in terms of normal QB rating. In terms of ESPN's created stat (QBR) Dak is slightly higher. Both stats show that Dobbs 2016 season is very similar to Dak's 2015 season in terms of PASSING EFFICIENCY.

Interestingly, Dobbs performance against Missouri this year is the 19th best QB performance in college football in the last 11 year according to ESPN's QBR stat. Total Quarterback Rating - College Football - ESPN
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Total Quarterback Rating - College Football - ESPN

Dobbs 2016 = 76.7 QBR (16th in the nation)

Prescott 2015 = 78.8 QBR (14th in the nation).

Like the normal QB Rating not much of a difference between the two. Dobbs is slightly higher in terms of normal QB rating. In terms of ESPN's created stat (QBR) Dak is slightly higher. Both stats show that Dobbs 2016 season is very similar to Dak's 2015 season in terms of PASSING EFFICIENCY.

Interestingly, Dobbs performance against Missouri this year is the 19th best QB performance in college football in the last 11 year according to ESPN's QBR stat. Total Quarterback Rating - College Football - ESPN
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So you are saying that QBR matters.....a lot?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Dobbs still has the higher QB rating.

Explain that away.
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So you're taking the side of a random number that nobody can explain how to compute......vs the side of 1,000+ more yards, a higher completion percentage, more touchdown passes and a much better TD to interception ratio.

Why don't you regale us with an explanation of how all that equals a better qb rating for the guy with the worse numbers?
 
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KBVol said:
So you're taking the side of a random number that nobody can explain how to compute......vs the side of 1,000+ more yards, a higher completion percentage, more touchdown passes and a much better TD to interception ratio.

Why don't you regale us with an explanation of how all that equals a better qb rating for the guy with the worse numbers?
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But he throws the ball .3 yards farther every time!
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
In terms of raw totals? Yes. FYI Dobbs has one more game to go so its possible that he surpasses Dak's 29 TDs in 13 games.

But anyways even if Dobbs doesn't throw another pass, he would still be more efficient than Dak on a per pass basis when it comes to scoring TDs.

2016 Dobbs: 319 pass attempts, 26 passing TDs = 12.2 pass attempts per TD pass

2015 Prescott: 477 pass attempts, 29 passing TDs = 16.4 pass attempts per TD pass

You see how math works. Dobbs is more efficient per pass attempt not only in getting more yards but also being more likely to score a TD. That is why Dobbs even with the propensity to throw more picks still has the higher QB rating.

QB Rating = measure of EFFICIENCY
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Don't confuse efficiency with effectiveness, there is a difference.
 
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n_huffhines said:
11th in yards among TEs...nobody is game planning for Witten anymore. He's great for an old man but he's stillan old man.
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We can't agree that 750 yards by a TE on a team that is last in passing attempts? Ok, I still say Dak's in the best possible place he can be.

Also, Whiten's avg season has been 780 yards, so I guess he was an old man 10-12 years ago.

Dak if fortunate tonhabe him, Dez and that line
 
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