Dobbs NFL aspirations

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#51
A lot of it will be where Dobbs ends up and what he's surrounded with.

Dak was at 66% his senior year with Dobbs at 63% with a higher yards per attempt. So it's not like Dobbs couldn't hit the broad side of a barn like some of you make out.

It's doubtful that any qb can make it in the NFL, but you never know. Bray's still collecting a check
 
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MurphyVol said:
A lot of it will be where Dobbs ends up and what he's surrounded with.

Dak was at 66% his senior year with Dobbs at 63% with a higher yards per attempt. So it's not like Dobbs couldn't hit the broad side of a barn like some of you make out.

It's doubtful that any qb can make it in the NFL, but you never know. Bray's still collecting a check
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That is because Bray is a better fit for the NFL than JD.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
And yet Dobbs had the higher QB rating and yards per pass attempt averages WHILE BEING YOUNGER.

Men Lie. Women Lie. Numbers don't.

Dobbs 2016 QB Rating > Dak's 2015 QB Rating

Those are just facts.
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For the love of...what part of irrelevant don't you get? Who gives a %$^& how old anyone is...you've either done something or you haven't...Prescott did. Do you know what vetted means? Prescott came out of college having been expected to basically carry the team on his arm. What he did was produce the 9th most yards (63% of his team's total offense) passing in SEC history completing 66% of his passes with 29td and a td/int ratio of 5.8/1. It is precisely because he did that with all those attempts (477) that vets him passing the football beyond what Dobbs has done.

You're often simply awful at understanding things so try to get a grip on this; I'm not trying to make a direct qualitative comparison between Prescott and Dobbs. What I'm doing, and having a very easy time of it, is show that Prescott had produced a full stat line far superior to anything Dobbs has. Pay very close attention here:

if you want to say that's because Prescott was afforded more opportunity to do so...fine.

Did you get that? Reread as often as needed to absorb but please don't reply until it's managed to get through whatever, continental plate I'm forced to often assume, passes for your skull. Maybe, MAYBE, MAYBE under more like circumstances Dobbs' numbers would have looked more like Prescott's. I'd be lying if I said I knew for sure one way or the other but, make no mistake, so would you. I can say, with absolute certainty, what Prescott DID accomplish as a passer. I can look it up in the top 10 all time SEC passing records. I don't need maybes or extrapolations.

And the point of even all that, if you go back to my first post, is to simply point out how odd I found it when people reacted to Prescott's success like the crew of the f'ing Nostromo when the alien popped out of Kane's chest. The dude had come off a very strong Sr campaign. It's fine to state that he "exceeded expectations" or whatever in the NFL but hell's bells he didn't exactly fall out of the sky either.
 
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Dobbs is a guy that I've learned not to discount. His passing improved since last year and with a quality qb coach, better strength and conditioning and the time to work on one goal, I wouldn't bet against him. He may be behind some others but given the chance he could quickly catch up. Stats aren't the whole story. We saw a lethargic team the first half of the season and then a decimated one after that. It's hard to compare Dobbs because we have too many uncertainties surrounding his career. The weak oline, Clumsy receivers, and poor play calling at times made him seem worse than he is. Of course he had a lot of turn overs and frustrating games as well. It's hard to say if he would have faired better with better circumstances, or if the adversities made him be the qb he is. Manning and Martin took their share of criticisms while they were in the orange and white and now both are legends. Perhaps we will look back on Dobbs someday with the same respect. He's certainly a great guy and at times the only bright spot on the field. One thing about Dobbs is he's tough physically. I'm interested to see if he goes and where he ends up. Even if he's a bust he will probably make a couple mil in the process.
 
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Nasavol said:
No, see post above, Dak was a machine,and he fell in the draft due to I believe a DUI.
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I honestly think ppl outside the SEC saw him as a system qb. I thought he was late 1st/early 2nd kinda prospect and was pretty shocked he dropped that far. Similar to Russell Wilson...anyone who watched that guy in college knew he was legit.
 
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hndog609 said:
For the love of...what part of irrelevant don't you get? Who gives a %$^& how old anyone is...you've either done something or you haven't...Prescott did. Do you know what vetted means? Prescott came out of college having been expected to basically carry the team on his arm. What he did was produce the 9th most yards (63% of his team's total offense) passing in SEC history completing 66% of his passes with 29td and a td/int ratio of 5.8/1. It is precisely because he did that with all those attempts (477) that vets him passing the football beyond what Dobbs has done.

You're often simply awful at understanding things so try to get a grip on this; I'm not trying to make a direct qualitative comparison between Prescott and Dobbs. What I'm doing, and having a very easy time of it, is show that Prescott had produced a full stat line far superior to anything Dobbs has. Pay very close attention here:

if you want to say that's because Prescott was afforded more opportunity to do so...fine.

Did you get that? Reread as often as needed to absorb but please don't reply until it's managed to get through whatever, continental plate I'm forced to often assume, passes for your skull. Maybe, MAYBE, MAYBE under more like circumstances Dobbs' numbers would have looked more like Prescott's. I'd be lying if I said I knew for sure one way or the other but, make no mistake, so would you. I can say, with absolute certainty, what Prescott DID accomplish as a passer. I can look it up in the top 10 all time SEC passing records. I don't need maybes or extrapolations.

And the point of even all that, if you go back to my first post, is to simply point out how odd I found it when people reacted to Prescott's success like the crew of the f'ing Nostromo when the alien popped out of Kane's chest. The dude had come off a very strong Sr campaign. It's fine to state that he "exceeded expectations" or whatever in the NFL but hell's bells he didn't exactly fall out of the sky either.
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Why are you on our board? I have had enough of you, go back to that worthless board at Miss State.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
Why are you on our board? I have had enough of you, go back to that worthless board at Miss State.
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Interesting...nothing I posted even alluded to being a MSSt fan any more than citing any player's stats that played for any team other than UT. Prescott either had a very good statistical season his Sr year or he did not (he did) and that either is or isn't germane to the topic vis a vis several posts in this thread by multiple people starting, in fact, with the second post. (it is)

If I said Barry Sanders, Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker were some of the greatest RB I've ever seen would that be OK with your rules for who should post here or should I only say such things on OK St, Auburn or GA boards?
 
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I didnt think he was even considering the NFL. I really hope he gets drafted and has a great career. I dont think he will get drafted, if he does it would be 6th or 7th round.

It would be nice to see Dobbs prove most of us wrong and go on to have a great NFL career.
 
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Nasavol said:
Heard a NFL GM say one time that you can't coach accuracy with QB's. A career 60% completion rate in a spread offense is not good. Dobbs may wind up holding a clipboard for a couple of years, and, if he does, more power to him. Worse ways to make a living. If he wants to start in the NFL, he need to look no farther than Tyrelle Pryor, he reminds me more of him than Dak.
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Then thay NFL GM is wrong. Take Steve Young for example. Before he became the starter at SF, he was at best a mid to high 50% completion guy. Then he got to SF and got much better. In the NFL, the team, talent and coaches around you matter a TON.

Do you honestly believe Prescott would be this good if he wasnt throwing to one of the best WRs and TEs in the NFL? Or have the best OL in the NFL? Or one of the best RBs in the NFL (of course the OL is the main reason he is)? If Prescott went to Jacksonville or the Browns, you wouldnt be hearing about him.

Its completey unfair to Dobbs to compare him to anyone in the NFL.
 
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hndog609 said:
Interesting...nothing I posted even alluded to being a MSSt fan any more than citing any player's stats that played for any team other than UT. Prescott either had a very good statistical season his Sr year or he did not (he did) and that either is or isn't germane to the topic vis a vis several posts in this thread by multiple people starting, in fact, with the second post. (it is)

If I said Barry Sanders, Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker were some of the greatest RB I've ever seen would that be OK with your rules for who should post here or should I only say such things on OK St, Auburn or GA boards?
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In one of your many posts you said we in referring to Prescott so I call you out, period. Prescott has been better than expected but enough is enough this is a Tennessee board.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Then thay NFL GM is wrong. Take Steve Young for example. Before he became the starter at SF, he was at best a mid to high 50% completion guy. Then he got to SF and got much better. In the NFL, the team, talent and coaches around you matter a TON.

Do you honestly believe Prescott would be this good if he wasnt throwing to one of the best WRs and TEs in the NFL? Or have the best OL in the NFL? Or one of the best RBs in the NFL (of course the OL is the main reason he is)? If Prescott went to Jacksonville or the Browns, you wouldnt be hearing about him.

Its completey unfair to Dobbs to compare him to anyone in the NFL.
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I will take Bobby Beathard's opinion over yours. I
think he has earned it. Tell me when you get a GM job.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
In one of your many posts you said we in referring to Prescott so I call you out, period. Prescott has been better than expected but enough is enough this is a Tennessee board.
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If you can cite the "we" in question that contextually ties me with being a MSSt fan I'd surely appreciate it. Even better would be you looking up how long I've been a member of this board and how much I've posted, with no ambiguity whatsoever, as a Tennessee fan. Hell, a person might have gleaned some insight from merely looking at my nom de plume.
 
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He's earned a shot. I'm pulling for him. You get him some NFL coaching behind a pro line and receivers and see what he can do. It only takes one team to like you. And for everyone saying he can't make it, stop throwing shade. GBO
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Nobody does. Kamara is a rare talent.

Hurd is however good as well. His skills are just more suited for a down hill running pro style offense.

Hurd is more Eddie George to Kamara's Marshall Faulk.
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Exactly. So why in the hell was he not starting, especially in the offense Butch runs? That poor decision is on Butch and his staff.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Nobody does. Kamara is a rare talent.

Hurd is however good as well. His skills are just more suited for a down hill running pro style offense.

Hurd is more Eddie George to Kamara's Marshall Faulk.
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Don't stop there....stand by your original, consistent argument that Hurd is the best, most talented running back in the country and will be the first running back taken....even ahead of Fournette and certainly ahead of that slacker Dalvin Cook. No backtracking now brother.
 
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rocytop2624 said:
31-34 no int's its hard to blame him for the Vandy game he played great.
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Definitely not to blame for that loss. The fumble hurt, but he was great otherwise. The defense lost us that game, hands down. 34 points vs Vandy should've equaled a 3 touchdown win.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Then thay NFL GM is wrong. Take Steve Young for example. Before he became the starter at SF, he was at best a mid to high 50% completion guy. Then he got to SF and got much better. In the NFL, the team, talent and coaches around you matter a TON.

Do you honestly believe Prescott would be this good if he wasnt throwing to one of the best WRs and TEs in the NFL? Or have the best OL in the NFL? Or one of the best RBs in the NFL (of course the OL is the main reason he is)? If Prescott went to Jacksonville or the Browns, you wouldnt be hearing about him.

Its completey unfair to Dobbs to compare him to anyone in the NFL.
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Agree with this completely.


Regarding accuracy, even Manning improved from a 62.5 % passer to a 65.3 % passer going from college to pros.

Accuracy can be incrementally improved with better fundamentals and a better supporting cast.
 
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KBVol said:
Definitely not to blame for that loss. The fumble hurt, but he was great otherwise. The defense lost us that game, hands down. 34 points vs Vandy should've equaled a 3 touchdown win.
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Yeah, 27 first downs, 516yds and 34pts should have been more than enough vs Vandy.
 
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05_never_again said:
Exactly. So why in the hell was he not starting, especially in the offense Butch runs? That poor decision is on Butch and his staff.
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I've been saying for 2 years how Butch Jones is a dumb coach with poor personell decisions.

Kamara should have been playing more. But so should Hurd. I would have had both in the game together at all times. Then motion Hurd to TE or Kamara to slot receiver if it was a pass.

It was coaching malpractice on Butch Jones part for not having Kamara in more snaps.
 
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KBVol said:
Don't stop there....stand by your original, consistent argument that Hurd is the best, most talented running back in the country and will be the first running back taken....even ahead of Fournette and certainly ahead of that slacker Dalvin Cook. No backtracking now brother.
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Hurd is all that.

But so is Kamara.

There is no excuse for BOTH not getting more snaps together.

I would have motioned Hurd to TE or Kamara to slot receiver every play.

If you have a more explosive Eddie George and Marshall Faulk 2.0 on the same team, you use them both. You don't keep one on the bench. Especially the one that fits your system better.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
I'm curious to see how he'll do in the NFL. Though, in a sense, if he ends up being a star, it almost ends up being an indictment of our offensive coaches. His biggest problem has always been accuracy on medium and deep passes.

While he's being compared to Dak Prescott, Dak was much more successful as a college QB. Here's a Senior to Senior comparison:

Dak: 3,793 yds, 66.7% completion rate, 29 TDs, 5 INTs
Dobbs: 2,655 yds, 63.3% completion rate, 26 TDs, 12 INTs

Also keep in mind that Dobbs played with much better Running Backs than Dak Prescott ever did. This isn't really a knock on Dobbs, so much as a testament to how phenomenal Dak Prescott was as a college QB. No one should mistake Dak Prescott for a "project"; he's one of the best college QBs of this decade.

I'm guessing Dobbs will go in the mid to late rounds. Some team will see potential and take a shot with him. Probably the best scenario for him is to be a 5th Round pick for a team with good coaches. He won't have to jump into action immediately and can develop for a year or two. Even if Dobbs gets a few years as a backup in the NFL, it'll give him more capital to do what he wants to do business-wise after he retires from football.
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Anybody else notice the INT numbers? That's ridiculous. I get it ... Dobbs has been put into situations that forces his hand, but he's NOT a very accurate passer. At all. I've loved watching him play and he's a great example for our younger players, but he needs some serious QB coaching from a patient and talented coach. He's got a long way to go.
 
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