Dobbs looking good.

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After putting in work from your freshman days in high school thru your senior year in college, I am sure that you would want your hard work to pay off more than just a spot on the practice squad.
 
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bamawriter said:
If there were any teams out there willing to dedicate more than a 6th rounder on Dobbs the trade would have already happened. It's pretty clear that no one sees Dobbs as a critical acquisition, so I imagine that the teams that are interested would be willing to wait for waivers and would be okay missing out if an earlier team in the order gets him.
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I never said Dobbs was a critical acquisition. I replied to someone who asked "Why trade when you can pick him up on waivers?" And the answer is pretty simple. Because each team has a position on the waiver wire and if a team is high enough on Dobbs that they feel like he is worth a 5th/6th/7th round pick then you trade to avoid rolling the dice on waivers. Whether you want to admit it or not, Dobbs has performed well this pre-season and will without a doubt be claimed on waivers the moment he is placed there. In my opinion, it's not that teams do not want Dobbs, it's they are all well aware Pittsburgh has played this situation terribly and have backed themselves into a corner with Landry's contract, giving them no choice but to keep him and cut Dobbs.
 
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tbones0711 said:
Exactly how it will play out and all the GM's in the league know it and that's why they aren't giving up the draft pick. Steelers look dumb in the way. they are going about this. The reality, IMO is too eat the $2ml, that's due Jones and keep Dobbs. Rudolph hasn't shown me jacksh!t this year and Dobbs likely would want to get out of there.
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His QB rating against the same level of competition last night was almost the same as Dobbs. Also, Rudolph is in his first year, and Dobbs was hardly impressive last year as a rookie in the preseason.
 
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EZE said:
Easy big fella, tap the brakes. We don’t know that yet.

I could easily seeing the Steelers cutting Jones.
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Just read a NFL article. They SPECULATE that Tomlin wants to keep Jones. from Tomlins perspective, if Jones leaves and Ben gets hurt, like he does every season lately, then Tomlin would have to depend on Dobbs to lead them thru the play offs.
Of course, an NFL writer does not KNOW what Tomlin is thinking, so I believe that the writer is speculating.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Just read a NFL article. They SPECULATE that Tomlin wants to keep Jones. from Tomlins perspective, if Jones leaves and Ben gets hurt, like he does every season lately, then Tomlin would have to depend on Dobbs to lead them thru the play offs.
Of course, an NFL writer does not KNOW what Tomlin is thinking, so I believe that the writer is speculating.
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I don't know if it's the same article but one article quoted Tomlin and he didn't come out and say what you just said, but it was relatively clear from his comments that Jones as his #2 was what he was most comfortable with. Also the fact that they have played Jones very little this preseason should be another huge clue that Jones wrapped up the #2 a while ago.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
I never said Dobbs was a critical acquisition. I replied to someone who asked "Why trade when you can pick him up on waivers?" And the answer is pretty simple. Because each team has a position on the waiver wire and if a team is high enough on Dobbs that they feel like he is worth a 5th/6th/7th round pick then you trade to avoid rolling the dice on waivers.
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I'm not disagreeing. But another part of the thought process is "Why help the Steelers if we don't have to?"

Whether you want to admit it or not, Dobbs has performed well this pre-season and will without a doubt be claimed on waivers the moment he is placed there.
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I've never said anything different.

In my opinion, it's not that teams do not want Dobbs, it's they are all well aware Pittsburgh has played this situation terribly and have backed themselves into a corner with Landry's contract, giving them no choice but to keep him and cut Dobbs.
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Jones' contract isn't the issue. He's in his final year, so that money is mostly dead if they do anything other than trade him. And it's not a prohibitively high number.

They are keeping Jones because they think Jones is the better option for 2018.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Hope he finds a new team and gets away from that douchebag Tomlin.
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TNHopeful505 said:
I think he would fit in really well at Tennessee before Mariota, or even Houston behind Watson. I never thought Pittsburgh was a good fit for him, and always saw his acquisition as a weird thing anyways. Always wondered if Tomlin was doing Jones a solid favor or something. Not that Dobbs didn't deserve to be on a roster, he absolutely does. Just never understood Pittsburgh specifically, as his style seems so different than what they normally look for.

I think....if Dobbs gets cut, it may be the best thing to happen to him, because he WILL get picked up somewhere that'll be a better fit for him. Tennessee, Houston, Carolina, Jacksonville, Miami, Kansas City.....all of those would be great fits for him, IMO.
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I think those little wobbly areas Josh needs fixed would be ironed out if he'd wind up in Charlotte...backing up Cam Newton. Cam's similar inherited style, along with the Panthers' integration of that QB prototype, would enhance Dobb's talents and won't need to ask of him to finitely execute portions of the game which require those aspects at which he's not so accomplished. Get it, homers? Seattle's Russel Wilson (I personally don't like the Seahawks, but like and appreciate Wilson) is somewhat similar...minus the bulldozing capabilities that Josh and Cam have. Titans? That would work. Texas? Them too. I agree, too 505, that the Steelers style of offense hinders JD's talents more than it enhances them. GBO! Whoop then mountainsteers!
 
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bamawriter said:
Jones' contract isn't the issue. He's in his final year, so that money is mostly dead if they do anything other than trade him. And it's not a prohibitively high number. They are keeping Jones because they think Jones is the better option for 2018.
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I think the rest of your post is agreeable. This is the only comment we'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree with. I think if all things were equal (i.e. no contracts existed) then Jones would have played more during the pre-season and would have had to compete for the spot. I think the contract is the main issue, because $2 million, while it doesn't seem like a lot, is a pricey contract for a mediocre back-up QB. It feels to me like they had their mind made up before the pre-season began that they were going to roll with Jones because they did not want to eat his contract.

Regardless, I've come to terms with the fact that Dobbs career won't be in Pittsburgh. It's unfortunate because I would have loved to purchase a jersey, and I think, as some of the commentators on the broadcast said last night, that his skill set brings a different approach to what Jones/Rudolph offer and it would have been nice to have some diversity of skill on the QB roster. But another team will be lucky to have him and I'll continue rooting for his success because Josh is a quality human being and I think he has shown some great improvement over just a single off-season.
 
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If a team really wants Dobbs then I think they'll trade for him rather than to risk not getting him on the waiver wire.

I'm thinking we'll hear of a trade right before the 53 man cutdown takes place.

Tomlin will try to get all he can for Dobbs and will wait for his best trade offer.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
I think the rest of your post is agreeable. This is the only comment we'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree with. I think if all things were equal (i.e. no contracts existed) then Jones would have played more during the pre-season and would have had to compete for the spot. I think the contract is the main issue, because $2 million, while it doesn't seem like a lot, is a pricey contract for a mediocre back-up QB.
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It's actually slightly below average for a veteran backup. I'd rather have Jones than Matt Shaub, Chase Daniel, or Drew Stanton, and all of those guys are making more in 2018.

It feels to me like they had their mind made up before the pre-season began that they were going to roll with Jones because they did not want to eat his contract.
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If they had their minds made up to keep Jones during the offseason, and were all that concerned with keeping Dobbs, they wouldn't have drafted Rudolph.
 
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Titan&Volfan4life said:
If a team really wants Dobbs then I think they'll trade for him rather than to risk not getting him on the waiver wire.

I'm thinking we'll hear of a trade right before the 53 man cutdown takes place.

Tomlin will try to get all he can for Dobbs and will wait for his best trade offer.

VFL...GBO!!!
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Right now, it’s more about acquiring draft picks. Dobbs is just extra meat.

The Steelers made the trade with Raiders (they gave up their 5th rounder to acquire a 6th and WR Ryan Switzer)..
Also this might have to do with Dobbs more than you want to think.
Switzer was drafted by Dallas in the 4th round 2017 at number 133.
Guess what number Josh was? 135!
Is it possible that Steelers would have passed on Dobbs if Switzer was avail?
 
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Dougie_D said:
Right now, it’s more about acquiring draft picks. Dobbs is just extra meat.

The Steelers made the trade with Raiders (they gave up their 5th rounder to acquire a 6th and WR Ryan Switzer)..
Also this might have to do with Dobbs more than you want to think.
Switzer was drafted by Dallas in the 4th round 2017 at number 133.
Guess what number Josh was? 135!
Is it possible that Steelers would have passed on Dobbs if Switzer was avail?
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Pittsburgh was not going to draft Switzer in 2017. They had already taken Juju Smith-Shuster in the 2nd round. They were not going to take another WR when Martavis Bryant was still on the roster. Besides, Pittsburgh is absolutely loaded at WR. It's the last thing they needed then as well as right now.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
The problem with Landry isn't whether skill-wise Dobbs has passed him on the roster. I think it's fair to say Dobbs has done enough to make a case to be the Steelers #2. The problem with Jones is his salary. Before the 2017 draft Pittsburgh made, IMO, the dumb decision to sign Landry to a 2-year, $4-million contract. I'm pretty sure it's guaranteed money too so if Pitt wanted to keep Dobbs/Rudolph and only have 3 QB's then they would need to eat $2 million in salary. I doubt they do that although I am hopeful.

If Dobbs can somehow stick with Pittsburgh throughout these next 48-hours then it's pretty clear Landry is gone and will not be re-signed after this season. But the likelihood of him surviving the next 48-hours is pretty low.
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Yeah I agree. Landry isn't even WORTH that much either.
 
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If you look what’s going on in the trades,
Denver might be in talks.
They have 2 5th rounders. They have the Vikings 5th rounder by giving up a QB.
So giving up a 5th and getting Dobbs and 6/7 would be ideal. Dobbs is a better candidate than Kelly and Paxton.
The other team who has 2 5th rounders is the Detroit Lions.
They have 3 QBs with both of their backups as toss ups. Add Dobbs to the mix and it can really get interesting .
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Pittsburgh was not going to draft Switzer in 2017. They had already taken Juju Smith-Shuster in the 2nd round. They were not going to take another WR when Martavis Bryant was still on the roster. Besides, Pittsburgh is absolutely loaded at WR. It's the last thing they needed then as well as right now.
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I think Steelers wanted him for more of a speciality Kick/punt returner type
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
His QB rating against the same level of competition last night was almost the same as Dobbs. Also, Rudolph is in his first year, and Dobbs was hardly impressive last year as a rookie in the preseason.
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As I recall Dobbs had a great game in beating the same panthers in the 4th preseason game last year also. Great for a rookie that is. Still, point to one game that Rudolph has met expectations yet. It's all opinion however, nothing else and mine is Dobbs is the 2nd best QB on the steelers team right now. I hope they do put him on waivers for his own good. GO RAVENS!!!!!!
 
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