Dobbs, Is he our future?

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#52
I don't really understand the faux claim about accuracy. Josh's completion percentage was better than Worley's last year and it was better than Worley's in yesterday's game. Is that not the measure of accuracy?
 
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This is Dobb's team now. Nobody else should be in at QB unless he gets injured or they come in for mop up duty. You CAN'T go backwards now.
 
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perico said:
Obviously the offense is a heck of a lot more effective with a true running threat at QB. I never understood many fans need to hold onto the idea of us having a pure pocket passer, other than missing Peyton.
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Manning ran for some TD's in his college days..
 
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I hope and they need to stick with Dobb's. Do we know what Worley's injury is? Will he be back? If so I see them going back with him. I hope they stick with Dobb's personally but I bet they won't if Worley can go.
 
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American Pig said:
It's a rerun of last year. He shines in flashes with his poise and running, but the wild throws, interceptions a missed opportunities pile up will have us calling for Worley before long.

He does get moving well when the Oline collapses. Not quite as easy to sack Dobbs.
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yeah because he had good wr's like these guys to throw too last year. some people
 
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griffdog14 said:
good runner, awful passer
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and worley so much better right? dobbs shocked me with some of his throws really like that one right over the bama defenders head down the sidelines! Dobbs just needs time to work with his wr's, frankly im tired of seeing worley miss wide receiver after wide receiver wide open
 
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If he can learn to hit open receivers. I know that's not gonna be a popular bit of criticism, but that has been his problem all along.
 
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Vol17 said:
Dobbs should start and he will start. Every student in the student section knew petermen had 2-3 drives then it was time for Dobbs
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So did everyone in the country watching the game when the sideline reporter said she spoke to Butch and they are giving Peterman 2-3 series before putting Dobbs in.
 
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KBVol said:
I know it killed you to watch Dobbs come in last night, move the offense up and down the field, put 20 points up on Bama's defense, calmly make some excellent throws (including 2 tds)in the face of pressure, rush for more yards by himself than Bama gives up per game and get the fans (and game commentators)excited.

Sorry about all that. I'm sure that was all very difficult for you to watch. How gracious of you to come into a "Dobbs thread" now and let everybody know that it was all fool's gold and that Dobbs will ultimately fail and be no good for the team. Real impressed with you.
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No, it was very easy to watch. The problem is that you want to be right so bad that you find the really good things to point out and conveniently leave out the glaring issues. His accuracy is the problem, always has been.

You would never admit that you were wrong in a million years and neither would the other side.

I think he has the potential and will just wait and see how it plays out. Not gonna hitch my wagon to him just yet.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Manning ran for some TD's in his college days..
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He did do that. I was referring to him as an example. Ever since then every highly touted QB recruit with limited mobility and a strong arm has "reminded" someone of Peyton.

Peyton is arguably one of the 3-4 best QBs to ever play the game. He's a once in a generation type player. The college game has changed since he graduated from Tennessee, and holding onto this ideal of "another Manning" hurt Fulmer in the long run when he would've benefited immensely from a dual threat QB that he didn't recruit with the idea of converting into a WR (Banks, Schaeffer).
 
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KBVol said:
I know it killed you to watch Dobbs come in last night, move the offense up and down the field, put 20 points up on Bama's defense, calmly make some excellent throws (including 2 tds)in the face of pressure, rush for more yards by himself than Bama gives up per game and get the fans (and game commentators)excited.

Sorry about all that. I'm sure that was all very difficult for you to watch. How gracious of you to come into a "Dobbs thread" now and let everybody know that it was all fool's gold and that Dobbs will ultimately fail and be no good for the team. Real impressed with you.
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Peterman should obviously be the starter.

He was put in a bad position by Jones and the staff as their whole intent is to make him look bad.

When in meetings throughout the course of the week, Jones and Bajakian looked at each other and said" how can we possibly make Peterman look worse". The white board had a huge number 1 next to the statement " Make Peterman look bad".

JUST KIDDING.

Seriously, anyone who thinks that Dobbs shouldn't be starting over Peterman at this point simply has an agenda for Peterman or against Dobbs.

Worley versus Dobbs is a different matter but I personally think Worley is done for the year barring an emergency, they just want to try to keep the opponents guessing.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
No, it was very easy to watch. The problem is that you want to be right so bad that you find the really good things to point out and conveniently leave out the glaring issues. His accuracy is the problem, always has been.

You would never admit that you were wrong in a million years and neither would the other side.

I think he has the potential and will just wait and see how it plays out. Not gonna hitch my wagon to him just yet.
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Which "accuracy issues" exactly did Dobbs have last night? Kid hasn't played a snap all year and was very accurate with the exception of 3 or 4 throws out of 30+.

Also, not sure why you're responding to this post, it wasn't intended for you, directed my post very specifically to the idiot who bashed Dobbs all week long in favor of Peterman and trying to sell BS about how Peterman was the better option. Made bs excuses all damn week long, complete crap.

I try hard not go get on here and say crap that I can't back up with data. If I have an opinion about something only, I typically include imo..... which means "in my opinion". Why the hell would I get on here and say I'm wrong about something when the argument or debate I'm supporting is backed up with data/statistics evidence? Hint, I wouldn't and I won't.

Had Peterman come in and played like Dobbs did last night I can assure you I would've been on here eating crow and would've been glad to do so because it would've meant perhaps we've finally found a playmaking qb who can get us to a bowl. I'll also admit that I felt bad for Nathan that they didn't put him back in for another series or 2. Not saying they should have, just that he didn't do anything disastrous that necessitated not putting back in and give him another chance. Obviously, Dobbs' play was why they didn't.

Btw, looks I and others, at least for one game, were right with everything we said about the qb situation last week. Have you seen the other idiots we were trying to debate with based on statistics and facts eat any crow? Hell no is the answer...... All I've read so far is how Dobbs will come back to earth and give the ball away to cost us games next week and how Dobbs is inaccurate because he missed a slant route.
Jeez. But if it'll make you any better, here's something I was wrong about...... I've been arguing against necessarily needing a running qb in this offense. I thought it was much more important to have a good pocket passer who makes good decisions. I pretty much dismissed the idea of needing a running qb to optimize the offense, and I freely admit I was dead wrong based on what we saw last night.......Just wasn't wrong about Dobbs and Peterman.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Yes, but don't point that out. Everyone wants him to be the answer so bad. Unfortunately, you have to be able to hit an open receiver at some point to win games.
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Worley is injured.

Peterman has yet to show he is capable of doing anything in a game of note other than handling the snap.

It's not a matter of wanting him to be the answer right now, he HAS to be the answer due to process of elimination.

The accuracy is bad and he caught a break on several throws, no disputing that.

I'll take the trade off on accuracy for the added rushing threat behind this line in a heartbeat though.

It's not exactly as if Worley has dazzled the masses with mistake free ball either.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Yes, but don't point that out. Everyone wants him to be the answer so bad. Unfortunately, you have to be able to hit an open receiver at some point to win games.
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So add you to the list of Dobbs haters on here eh? Did you miss the 19 completions and 2 drops by Wolf that were pretty much on the money?? By my count, that's 21 completions, many to open receivers and and few who actually werent.
 
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If Butch was playing for the future by red shirting Dobbs he has to keep playing for the future and continue playing Dobbs. He still has some accuracy issues but has time to improve those. He did seem to raise the level of play of the other players and that is enough to keep him as the starter.
 
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I can settle the debate: Who do you honestly want? Say Worley is out for the season..now answer the question(s) honestly. Peterman or Dobbs? Who gives us a fighting chance? Who do you see starting next year when Worley isn't an option? Who is more accurate, Peterman or Dobbs?

Only a fool would say Peterman. Dobbs is the clear answer given that we don't find Peyton Manning coming out of high school again. Go Vols
 
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KBVol said:
So add you to the list of Dobbs haters on here eh? Did you miss the 19 completions and 2 drops by Wolf that were pretty much on the money?? By my count, that's 21 completions, many to open receivers and and few who actually werent.
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No, not a Dobbs hater. I just trust that CBJ and staff know what they are doing. Its easy for you to base your opinion on the "eye test". If we are gonna trust the staff on every thing else, why not this? I don't know whats gonna happen, I don't see what they see because they are looking at a whole lot more than the obvious. Its just my opinion.
 
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DresdenVol said:
I can settle the debate: Who do you honestly want? Say Worley is out for the season..now answer the question(s) honestly. Peterman or Dobbs? Who gives us a fighting chance? Who do you see starting next year when Worley isn't an option? Who is more accurate, Peterman or Dobbs?

Only a fool would say Peterman. Dobbs is the clear answer given that we don't find Peyton Manning coming out of high school again. Go Vols
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You say Dobbs is the clear answer. To who? You, me? The only one that matters is CBJ and staff. Our opinions don't mean Jack.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
No, not a Dobbs hater. I just trust that CBJ and staff know what they are doing. Its easy for you to base your opinion on the "eye test". If we are gonna trust the staff on every thing else, why not this? I don't know whats gonna happen, I don't see what they see because they are looking at a whole lot more than the obvious. Its just my opinion.
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I've based my opinion very little on the eye test. I think anyone who watched Dobbs last year could see flashes of his potential mixed in with a lot of struggles and freshman mistakes. But his production last year was light years ahead of what Peterman had vs Florida, as was his poise. He did some good things last year as a freshman when he wasn't yet ready to play in some very difficult situations.

He looked really good last night, but it was much more what he produced that has everyone believing in him right now. 20 points, 360 + yds for the offense when he was in, etc. I'm certain there are some honest doubters and thsts understandable, it was only 1 game. But it was against a top 5 team and defense and his play has given a lot hope that Tennessee can salvage its season.
 
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KBVol said:
Which "accuracy issues" exactly did Dobbs have last night? Kid hasn't played a snap all year and was very accurate with the exception of 3 or 4 throws out of 30+.

Also, not sure why you're responding to this post, it wasn't intended for you, directed my post very specifically to the idiot who bashed Dobbs all week long in favor of Peterman and trying to sell BS about how Peterman was the better option. Made bs excuses all damn week long, complete crap.

I try hard not go get on here and say crap that I can't back up with data. If I have an opinion about something only, I typically include imo..... which means "in my opinion". Why the hell would I get on here and say I'm wrong about something when the argument or debate I'm supporting is backed up with data/statistics evidence? Hint, I wouldn't and I won't.

Had Peterman come in and played like Dobbs did last night I can assure you I would've been on here eating crow and would've been glad to do so because it would've meant perhaps we've finally found a playmaking qb who can get us to a bowl. I'll also admit that I felt bad for Nathan that they didn't put him back in for another series or 2. Not saying they should have, just that he didn't do anything disastrous that necessitated not putting back in and give him another chance. Obviously, Dobbs' play was why they didn't.

Btw, looks I and others, at least for one game, were right with everything we said about the qb situation last week. Have you seen the other idiots we were trying to debate with based on statistics and facts eat any crow? Hell no is the answer...... All I've read so far is how Dobbs will come back to earth and give the ball away to cost us games next week and how Dobbs is inaccurate because he missed a slant route.
Jeez. But if it'll make you any better, here's something I was wrong about...... I've been arguing against necessarily needing a running qb in this offense. I thought it was much more important to have a good pocket passer who makes good decisions. I pretty much dismissed the idea of needing a running qb to optimize the offense, and I freely admit I was dead wrong based on what we saw last night.......Just wasn't wrong about Dobbs and Peterman.
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The point is that it does not matter in the least what all of us experts think. We aren't gonna make the first decision about anything. CBJ and staff have a reason for playing, not playing Dobbs and if we are gonna trust him/them on everything else, we might as well trust them on this.
 
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