Dobbs a better passer than most believe

#51
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Yes yes, we were all Bo Jackson back in the day.

As to your second paragraph, it's a new year. Your already critiquing the 2016 team and they haven't played the first game. All your basing it on is last year.
Yes Dobbs is still our QB but let's see how all those camps and hard work he's went through that we've all been hearing about during the offseason pays off.

Your examples are valid for 2015 not so much 2016, yet.
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Again, we're discussing the team on a chat board. The only people who aren't hoping Dobbs improves are the few really dumb posters who think he doesn't need to and that it is all someone else's fault.
 
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sjt18 said:
Again, we're discussing the team on a chat board. The only people who aren't hoping Dobbs improves are the few really dumb posters who think he doesn't need to and that it is all someone else's fault.
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I can't disagree with this post but I think you leave it a little short and could have added the OL and WR could could also improve.
You can search any post by me and you will never see me say Dobbs doesn't need to improve but you will never see me putting it all on him neither.

So I can't disagree with you but others need to step up also.
 
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I truly believe Dobbs is an all around great QB. He has a great arm and mostly makes smart decisions on passing downs. I have seen some of the prettiest passes in my life come from Dobbs. With all that said, I think he only lacks in consistency and timing. If he can make the throws I know he can 5-6 more times a game, plus lead receivers a tad bit better than look out! All jmo of course :good!:
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
I can't disagree with this post but I think you leave it a little short and could have added the OL and WR could could also improve.
You can search any post by me and you will never see me say Dobbs doesn't need to improve but you will never see me putting it all on him neither.

So I can't disagree with you but others need to step up also.
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I agree. But put at least half on Dobbs. The protection on the whole for the last two years hasn't been bad. At least as good as when Bray took over and started putting up big numbers. The WR's have been the most talented UT has had in a while. He needs to put them in a position to make plays. That's his job as a passer.

North played well with Worley. But not with Dobbs. Why? OL? Nope. They're better now. WR talent? No. They weren't as good or as deep.


When people lay it at Z's feet, I can't really argue since I don't know the difference between how he coaches and how those previous to him did.
 
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sjt18 said:
The scary part is that this could be who Jones is. I cannot find that any of his 9 teams as a HC avg'd over 300 ypg passing. I think the highest was around 280 at Cent Michigan.
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Finally someone sees the big picture. This is why he is okay with Azzani.

Running the football chews the clock and minimizes turnovers. Butch Jones has a risk factor of 2 on a scale of 10. This is why he emphasizes special teams. FIELD POSITION.

I personally like consistent amd balanced more so than high octane offense.

This is who Butch is. However he has the best DC Tennessee has had since Chavis. Hes a great talent evaluater.

I'm okay with the Qbs throwing for 240 yds and rushing for 40 a game.
As long as we get redzone efficiency and 3rd down efficiency.

I'm learning to accept what Butch is...
 
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Other_Guy said:
I think its a little ridiculous that everyone is skeptical of UTs chances bc of Dpbbs. The guy is still really good and a great runner and leader. We have an incredible run game and should have a pretty good defense. Since when was that not enough to win a conference championship?
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Don't think that's the question whether JD is good enough to leader us to a championship. Shoot I hope we control the ground game and only NEED JD to throw it 12-15 a game. If that happens we're controlling the game and our defense is on point and we'll have a great season. Why all this discussion that JD is the second coming of PM is just silly. By JD's OWN ADMISSION he needs to improve his 15 yd plus throw game. BUT I really don't think we need him to throw 30-35 times a game to win and win big....
 
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LittleVol said:
Finally someone sees the big picture. This is why he is okay with Azzani.

Running the football chews the clock and minimizes turnovers. Butch Jones has a risk factor of 2 on a scale of 10. This is why he emphasizes special teams. FIELD POSITION.

I personally like consistent amd balanced more so than high octane offense.

This is who Butch is. However he has the best DC Tennessee has had since Chavis. Hes a great talent evaluater.

I'm okay with the Qbs throwing for 240 yds and rushing for 40 a game.
As long as we get redzone efficiency and 3rd down efficiency.

I'm learning to accept what Butch is...
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Sorry I didn't read your post before posting. I could have just copied and pasted. I agree with you....
 
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I love Dobbs but seeing is believing. Now I think the skill set and the in-game awareness is there. But Dobbs and the entire offense as whole have something to prove in the passing department this year.
 
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After Dobb's was thrust into the starting QB spot for the Vols as a true frosh, much too early I might add, he's now a senior and poised to have a season to remember.

I'm proud of Josh Dobbs because he has class, poise, leadership and Integrity and he represents UT very much like the Greatest QB to ever play the game did.

Just a few more days!
Go Vols
 
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Look I'm all for winning, even if on the ground. I just get worried about our 2 star running backs health when we have to put all the weight on their shoulders. That's a very physically demanding position already as it is. And it's true that teams don't respect our passing game down field. The over whelming majority of our passing game comes for passing it out to the side line at the line of scrimmage.

In order to to open it up for our running backs we have to have a legit threat in our passing game. The defenses crowd the box and take their odds.

That's why the nation isn't as amped up as we are about Hurd and Alvin. Hurd has to fight for every yard and rarely gets a big break. Why? It's because they know where the ball will go 90% of the time. We don't have to throw all game, or much more as we have, just need to have consistency when going down field.

It's on Dobbs, WRs, coaches.
Coaches don't have the trust, and don't call the plays enough. Dobbs isn't consistent enough(possibly due to knowing the coaches don't trust him enough, and lack of reps). Then the WRs are inconsistent bringing the ball down. The WRs excuses are the exact same as Dobbs, lack of reps and lack of confidence from the coaches.

North should have had way more looks, along with the rest of the WRs. And Wolf was amazing his freshman year but didn't get the same attention last year at tight end. Overall they need to focus more on the passing as a team, and hopefully they have.
 
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My main complaint with him is accuracy and consistency. He can make every throw on the field but he has to be more consistent. A lot of that has been on the OL and WR but it ultimately falls on him being the QB. I think he's going to be a lot more confident this year and we should see around a 3000 yard season from him. At least I hope he's improved that much.
 
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advancedrescue27 said:
Look I'm all for winning, even if on the ground. I just get worried about our 2 star running backs health when we have to put all the weight on their shoulders. That's a very physically demanding position already as it is. And it's true that teams don't respect our passing game down field. The over whelming majority of our passing game comes for passing it out to the side line at the line of scrimmage.

In order to to open it up for our running backs we have to have a legit threat in our passing game. The defenses crowd the box and take their odds.

That's why the nation isn't as amped up as we are about Hurd and Alvin. Hurd has to fight for every yard and rarely gets a big break. Why? It's because they know where the ball will go 90% of the time. We don't have to throw all game, or much more as we have, just need to have consistency when going down field.

It's on Dobbs, WRs, coaches.
Coaches don't have the trust, and don't call the plays enough. Dobbs isn't consistent enough(possibly due to knowing the coaches don't trust him enough, and lack of reps). Then the WRs are inconsistent bringing the ball down. The WRs excuses are the exact same as Dobbs, lack of reps and lack of confidence from the coaches.

North should have had way more looks, along with the rest of the WRs. And Wolf was amazing his freshman year but didn't get the same attention last year at tight end. Overall they need to focus more on the passing as a team, and hopefully they have.
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Exactly right. Championship football, SEC-brand championship football especially, has always been about great defense and a power running game. That will never change.

But that doesn't mean you can't have a spectacular passing game as well. After all, no matter what kind of horses you have up front, if teams are going to stack the box, you have to have the weapons, the ability, and most importantly, the will, to "break the blockade." And that means you have to take enough shots down the field (on non-obvious passing downs [1st down]) - as opposed to just "dinking and dunking" it most of the time -- so that teams are forced to respect that by unstacking the box. It's just common sense.

Somebody -- I don't remember who -- recently labeled our style of offense the "smash-mouth spread." I love that moniker, but unless our guys (players and coaches) can do what it takes to "break the blockade", it honestly isn't going prove to be an accurate one. And I think we are going to see just that this year. GO VOLS!!
 
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I saw on the SEC preview today that Dobbs is 2 of 16 on passes over 27 yards. I think that tells the real story on his struggles. I'm hoping that number is vastly improved this year.
 
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If you look at the stats Josh was 76th in Passing Efficiency, 90th in Pass Yards Per Attempt, and 67th in Completion Percentage in the FBS. Those things combined tell me he throws too many short passes that are inaccurate.

From all accounts this off season, these numbers should go up quite a bit.
 
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I think we should have confidence that JD will throw the ball better this season. He has the physical arm talent and seems to have the kind of attitude that will compel him to put in the work needed to master his touch.

Until he proves otherwise, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
2-16? No way thats accurate.
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Why? It's universally accepted that that is Josh's Achilles heel, his primary deficiency as a college QB. Considering that 30-35% is likely a very good completion % on pass attempts 27 yards and beyond for any QB, I don't think it's far-fetched at all. How many completions beyond 27 yards can you recall from last year, not including catches and runs?.....just straight up 27 yard completions. They were very few and far between.
 
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KBVol said:
Why? It's universally accepted that that is Josh's Achilles heel, his primary deficiency as a college QB. Considering that 30-35% is likely a very good completion % on pass attempts 27 yards and beyond for any QB, I don't think it's far-fetched at all. How many completions beyond 27 yards can you recall from last year, not including catches and runs?.....just straight up 27 yard completions. They were very few and far between.
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If thats the case then stats should be easy to find to support the claim. I am not saying his mid to deep passing game doesnt need work but those stats are a little suspicious.
 
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My take: if JD shows even modest, but real improvement downfield, we could be playoff contenders. He doesn't have to become the next Manning, Montana, or Marino to get us there.
 
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ncvol004 said:
60% completion rate isnt to bad take away the drops and closer to 65% dobbs is a perfect QB for this offense my only compliant is his deep ball to me it looks like he throws his deep ball too late making our WR slow down and wait for it
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His completion rate is so high due to his short passes. Also you need to look deeper than just %. I was rewatching the Bama game and right before the half Dobbs hit Wolf for an 8-9 yard gain. On that same play Malone blew past the corner covering him one on one and had a clear shot to the end zone. Dobbs didn't see him so he threw it short. Both throws would have been completions on the stat sheet, one would have given us a half time lead over Bama.
 
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