Do you think Fulmer would have turned it around if given a few more years?

[onevol74]

I do think that the game passed Fulmer by, but it is not necessarily about him. When you look at the SEC in 2008, UT was not competitive with the likes of Florida, Georgia, Alabama, or South Carolina. It is how you stack up to the competition.

That is why Fulmer was fired, plain and simple. But he should have been fired after 2005. I have never see so much talent wasted from 2000 - 2005.

 

[i2amavol]

We are heading into another rebuilding year and things aren't going to be pretty for a few more years. Not long term, but do you think we would be in better shape today and even next year if we still had Fulmer? It's impossible to tell, but what are your opinions?

Without reading other responses, I just want to say that I am not anti-Fulmer, but I don't really care what he would have done. I was tired of the same old thing. Anything different was an upgrade in my book.

To give you the answer you are looking for: I think we might have had a slightly better record, just due to the continuity of it, but we were stuck in a mediocrity rut. If JoePa can turn things around, then anything was possible for Fulmer, but if we can hold the fan base together for this next season, I think things will look much rosier in about 12 months.

I personally hope watching Dooley's offense isn't like watching paint dry, but I am looking forward to next season if for no other reason, just out of curiosity about the unknown. That probably wouldn't be the case with Fulmer still at the helm.

 

[sjrobert]

To give you the answer you are looking for: I think we might have had a slightly better record, just due to the continuity of it, but we were stuck in a mediocrity rut. If JoePa can turn things around, then anything was possible for Fulmer,

JPa didn't turn things around, his assistants did. The man hasn't really been directing the program for the last three or four years. Of course he will get credit for the recent relative success, but everyone with any perceptive ability knows what the score is at PSU, that an 82 year old who cannot even be on the sidelines at times isn't doing any coaching, and hasn't been recently. JP is a titular figurehead.

 

[BJSforVols]

I don’t understand this comment, “Did we play LSU … every year prior to the expansion?”. We don’t play LSU every year now, so why does that matter.

LSU was in the SEC prior to the split. They are not in the east now. The point is a school must play every team in the SEC east and can not win the east by skipping a potential tough opponent.

 

[VolDad]

LSU was in the SEC prior to the split. They are not in the east now. The point is a school must play every team in the SEC east and can not win the east by skipping a potential tough opponent.

Right. Besides UF and UGA, who I already mentioned, we are forced to play Ky, Vandy, and USCjr every year. Boy that’s tough.

Remind me. When was the last time either of those three won a SECE or old SECC?

The point remains. You claiming that winning the SECE is as challenging as winning an old SECC is ridiculous.

 

[tm3]

It is much easier to win an SECE than to win the old SECC.

agree with your logic re outright old SECC. however in the old days it was possible to name co-C and an old SEC-co-C or SEC-co-co-C like CJM had is getting pretty close to an SECE.

 

[VolDad]

agree with your logic re outright old SECC. however in the old days it was possible to name co-C and an old SEC-co-C or SEC-co-co-C like CJM had is getting pretty close to an SECE.

True, but it is also possible to claim co-SECE (or SECW) as the case of UGA in 2007.

 

[BJSforVols]

Right. Besides UF and UGA, who I already mentioned, we are forced to play Ky, Vandy, and USCjr every year. Boy that’s tough.

Remind me. When was the last time either of those three won a SECE or old SECC?

The point remains. You claiming that winning the SECE is as challenging as winning an old SECC is ridiculous.

Same can be said about some of the "traditional" schools you list as tough prior to the split. Schools rise and fall. If you don't think KY was a tough opponent when Couch was there, then you really did not follow college football too close.

 

[BJSforVols]

Remind me. When was the last time either of those three won a SECE or old SECC?

Only stegthens how dominant FL and TN have been in the east since the split and shows how strong Spurrier had FL and Fulmer had TN during the 90s.

 

[Flatliner]

Had Fulmer not been fired, our program would be in a better state then it is currently. Two coaching changes in two years will do this to a program. However, with Fulmer, we'd still be stuck being mediocre as long as he was here. The change needed to happen.

this maybe the most correct post on this board !

Losing to Wyoming wouldn't have me ever expecting an 8-4 year with Failmer.

Agreed I did not want Fulmer to leave but losing to a crappy team like Wyoming (that was about to fire their coach) I was done defending him.

I loved Fulmer great person, great father figure & a great coach "for that time". I don't proclaim to know what happened to Tennessee Football but the lack luster teams of the past few years where enough for me not to even think about Fulmer still coach the Big Orange.

no he could not turn this program around.

Speaking as a fan of the game and not as a Gator fan... Yes, I think Fulmer would have had success long term and that you guys wouldn't have these many rebuilding years. He won the SEC east prior to having the infamous losing season and was one of the most winningest coaches in the nation.

FAIL

 

[VolDad]

Same can be said about some of the "traditional" schools you list as tough prior to the split. Schools rise and fall. If you don't think KY was a tough opponent when Couch was there, then you really did not follow college football too close.

KY’s last SECE or SECC was in 1976. When do you expect them to rise?

 

[G-burgfan]

yes 12-0 and national champs.

 

[VolDad]

yes 12-0 and national champs. And then when I woke up…

fyp

 

[G-burgfan]

fyp

fyp?

 

[Volwark]

"fyp" is similar to the sound you make when you look at pictures of Fulmer.

It also stands for "fixed your post" too.

 

[lateknight]

I'm glad it happened when it did. Another year or two and it would have been a race to see if fulmer or chavis's heart explode first from krispy kreme intoxication.
Seriously though, think of the talent that came through during his tenure and we could only win one championship, really?

He was at best a diehard loyalist (which I appreciate) but a mediocre coach/good recruiter. The last couple of years his recruiting degraded and that was it. Coaching change or not we were going to be in trouble regardless because of the minimal passion put into recruiting at the last of the CPF era.
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[sjrobert]

I'm glad it happened when it did. Another year or two and it would have been a race to see if fulmer or chavis's heart explode first from krispy kreme intoxication.
Seriously though, think of the talent that came through during his tenure and we could only win one championship, really?

He was at best a diehard loyalist (which I appreciate) but a mediocre coach/good recruiter. The last couple of years his recruiting degraded and that was it. Coaching change or not we were going to be in trouble regardless because of the minimal passion put into recruiting at the last of the CPF era.
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Yes, even though he couldn't coach very well, certainly not this decade, he had to know the level of talent he had was mediocre. What he wanted to do was stay long enough to break Neyland's all-time wins record and he was perfectly willing to do it six wins a season or whatever it took to get that record.

 

[VolsRule]

fulmer lost his ability to win in the sec---when that happens, it's time to make a change. Simple issue.

 

[3L with debt]

Would fulmer have turned things around if given the time?... Yes, about 360 degrees.

 

[3L with debt]

Yes, even though he couldn't coach very well, certainly not this decade, he had to know the level of talent he had was mediocre. What he wanted to do was stay long enough to break Neyland's all-time wins record and he was perfectly willing to do it six wins a season or whatever it took to get that record.

This!

fulmer was a self centered prick who showed his true colors when he first stabbed Majors in the back and then the last several years of his career.

 

[vol_in_ar]

This!

fulmer was a self centered prick who showed his true colors when he first stabbed Majors in the back and then the last several years of his career.

you have any examples besides accepting a job that was offered to him

 

[VolDad]

you have any examples besides accepting a job that was offered to him

Examples of what? He said that, "fulmer was a self centered prick who showed his true colors when he first stabbed Majors". You wants more examples of stabbing Majors in the back? Isn't once enough?

 

[vol_in_ar]

Fulmer being "a self centered prick"

 

[VolDad]

Fulmer being "a self centered prick"

Example 1

Yes, even though he couldn't coach very well, certainly not this decade, he had to know the level of talent he had was mediocre. What he wanted to do was stay long enough to break Neyland's all-time wins record and he was perfectly willing to do it six wins a season or whatever it took to get that record.

Example 2

This!

fulmer was a self centered prick who showed his true colors when he first stabbed Majors in the back and then the last several years of his career.

Weren’t you reading?

 

[3L with debt]

Example 1



Example 2



Weren’t you reading?

Haha... Thanks VolDad! I leave to grab a shrimp po-boy and an Abita and you make quick work of things.