Do you think Fulmer would have turned it around if given a few more years?

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We are heading into another rebuilding year and things aren't going to be pretty for a few more years. Not long term, but do you think we would be in better shape today and even next year if we still had Fulmer? It's impossible to tell, but what are your opinions?
 
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I think we would be better than we are now, maybe expecting 8-4. But I agree that the game has passed him by.
 
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Speaking as a fan of the game and not as a Gator fan... Yes, I think Fulmer would have had success long term and that you guys wouldn't have these many rebuilding years. He won the SEC east prior to having the infamous losing season and was one of the most winningest coaches in the nation. He was very conservative, although I would also argue the game did not pass him by. If he ever coaches again, he will succeed with that team.
 
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EaglesVols91 said:
We are heading into another rebuilding year and things aren't going to be pretty for a few more years. Not long term, but do you think we would be in better shape today and even next year if we still had Fulmer? It's impossible to tell, but what are your opinions?
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You need to turn your head around and start looking in the other direction.
 
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He had a few good seasons left in him. He also had some terrible seasons left in him if his philosphies and coaching style didn't adapt to the point where he allowed new ideas into the program. It was the right time for him to go.
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LawVol13 said:
Losing to Wyoming wouldn't have me ever expecting an 8-4 year with Failmer.
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Get off the Wyoming game, yes it was a bad loss but Fulmer had no control over how the team played that day.

What happens if Fulmer doesn't get fired before that game? Then we probably win out and go to a bowl, Fulmer would have had a Top-10 recruiting class and we might have had a 7-5 season in 2009.

And then we would have this season,with stability probably expecting around 8-4.
 
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When the players lost faith in him he was officially done.

He would of needed 3 top 5 recruiting classes, just like any coach at Tennessee will need if they are to keep up with the Joneses
 
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FriendlyGator said:
Speaking as a fan of the game and not as a Gator fan... Yes, I think Fulmer would have had success long term and that you guys wouldn't have these many rebuilding years. He won the SEC east prior to having the infamous losing season and was one of the most winningest coaches in the nation. He was very conservative, although I would also argue the game did not pass him by. If he ever coaches again, he will succeed with that team.
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Get out of here with this foolishness!
 
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EaglesVols91 said:
What are you trying to say?:furious3:
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What I'm trying to say is speculation like this is pointless. He is not the coach anymore. He never will be again. He led us into the situation we find ourselves in now anyway. Why would you want him back? You might as well ponder on whether Johnny Majors would have done better.
 
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I loved Fulmer. He gave me some of the greatest years of my life, but there's no denying he got complacent. The whole staff was lazy and gave up on recruiting. That eventually lead to lazy coaching as well and that's where you saw the decline of the program. When you win a NC you sell that thing as long you can something he could've done this whole decade, but notice our recruiting classes did not show it. Even the ones that were in the top 15 had so many misevaluated players it's not funny. If Fulmer would've of stayed we would have continued to recruited terrible and our coaching would not be enough to hang with the SEC. We would've continued to fall in the conference and things would've gotten real ugly.
 
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PrimeTime said:
Get off the Wyoming game, yes it was a bad loss but Fulmer had no control over how the team played that day.

What happens if Fulmer doesn't get fired before that game? Then we probably win out and go to a bowl, Fulmer would have had a Top-10 recruiting class and we might have had a 7-5 season in 2009.

And then we would have this season,with stability probably expecting around 8-4.
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He apparently didn't have any control about how the team played the whole season. Bottomline, if Cutcliffe had stayed we might have been able to expect 8-4. Without him, we could expect more of what we saw in '05 and '08.
 
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LawVol13 said:
He apparently didn't have any control about how the team played the whole season. Bottomline, if Cutcliffe had stayed we might have been able to expect 8-4. Without him, we could expect more of what we saw in '05 and '08.
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So what your saying is Fulmer made a bad hire and that was the reason he was fired? So the game hasn't passed him by?
 
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LawVol13 said:
No, I'm saying Cutcliffe is the only thing that kept him from being fired earlier.
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That's a fair point and it certainly is a possibility,but I'm just saying that he could have turned it around.Not that he would have,but he could have.

Anyway this is all in the past. Let's just agree to support Dooley.

Go Vols!!!
 
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I can't believe we are once again talking about the man who was two coaches ago...

But since we are and I'm bored, here are my two cents.

Coach Fulmer was good, especially early in his tenure. He played much more on edge and let the chips fall wherever. Then he became successful and started playing "not to lose? instead of keeping the hammer down.

Towards the end of his run, he started looking over his shoulder. He couldn't let the assistants have their freedom for fear that they would get credit for any success. He held them back in my opinion in an attempt to keep them from doing to him what he had done to Coach Majors.

Could he have turned it around? Yes, if he could have gotten some good coordinators in and let them do their thing. That wasn't going to happen, so no.

That's why I think Coach Dooley will do well. I am impressed with both coordinators and I think he has enough confindence in himself and in them to let them have their way on both sides of the ball.
 
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PrimeTime said:
So what your saying is Fulmer made a bad hire and that was the reason he was fired? So the game hasn't passed him by?
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Clawful cost us..that year
from swithing the lineman's blocking assignment's, and not playing to the strenghths of his offense, cost us at least 3 games that year

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