Do you hate Phillip Fulmer?

#76
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Snakes on a Wii said:
Just heard this on local radio. A local guy (Memphis) said he can't imagine that anyone actually hates Phillip Fulmer as a person.

However, he said, he knows that people hate him as their football coach.

So let's put it to you VN. Do you hate Phillip Fulmer?

As your football coach? What a bunch of mamby pamby ____yes hated him 4 of his last 6 yrs.

As your AD? Unspeakably vile. I hate even the thought of it.

As a person?
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ok like him as a person but woUld absolutely vomit if he is a finalist for the ad position. Would set us back 10 years.

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#78
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govols/cc said:
I really don't understand all the negativity towards Fulmer. He was the winningest active coach for many years. Took a team to a bowl all but 2 years. We got spoiled with 10 win seasons every year & when we came on hard times like all teams do a lot of you was ready to hang the coach. The same coach that will have won Tennessee the only national championship that many will ever have witnessed. I'm not saying we weren't ready for change but we got rid of the guy with nobody worth a damn to replace him & only dug ourselves a bigger hole with what we had to settle with. If somehow Fulmer does get hired as AD I'll support him knowing it's a huge step up from what we had.
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Seriously doubt Fulmer would be a step up from Hamilton.
 
#80
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PMC2726 said:
Like who? Tressel? Pearl? Fulmer's demise wasn't anything like those other coaches.
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No, he didn't cheat or lie to the NCAA, but his own poor choices ultimately caused his own firing. He only had himself to blame for the downturn of the program.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
No, he didn't cheat or lie to the NCAA, but his own poor choices ultimately caused his own firing. He only had himself to blame for the downturn of the program.
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Because no good coach ever has a bad spell. Right?
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#84
#84
Hardly a bad decade for Fulmer his last 10 seasons although we suffered 2 of the worst seasons I can ever remember. Correct me if I'm wrong but we won the sec east 4 times, sec 1 time, bcs champs 1 time, & was 1 win away from going to the bcs championship again in '01 I believe. It sucks we couldn't seal the deal but we got there & 8 seasons with a bowl out of 10 is better than most.
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#85
#85
Ravenheart said:
As a football coach? Yes and no. Yes, because he is a legendary coach whose blood runs orange unlike anyone I have ever seen. No, because even legends can lose their edge, so to speak.

As a person, yes. I met him once when I was at UT, and he was very cordial and is a good person to have a conversation with. He really loved the fans and the student body.

As an athletic director, no. I, personally, would rather have Fulmer not take the job. However, I believe Fulmer deserves the right to decide for himself whether or not to serve as athletic director.
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General Neyland is legendary. Bear Bryant is legendary. CPF is far from legendary.
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#86
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govols/cc said:
Hardly a bad decade for Fulmer his last 10 seasons although we suffered 2 of the worst seasons I can ever remember. Correct me if I'm wrong but we won the 1) sec east 4 times, 2) sec 1 time, 3) bcs champs 1 time, & was 4) 1 win away from going to the bcs championship again in '01 I believe. It sucks we couldn't seal the deal but we got there & 8 seasons with a bowl out of 10 is better than most.
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1) anything you can be the 7th best team in the conference and win is not an accomplishment.

2) 0 his last 10 years

3) 0 his last 10 years

4) who cares. there is no way he should have lost that game. Saban schooled him as usual.
 
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#87
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govols/cc said:
Hardly a bad decade for Fulmer his last 10 seasons although we suffered 2 of the worst seasons I can ever remember. Correct me if I'm wrong but we won the sec east 4 times, sec 1 time, bcs champs 1 time, & was 1 win away from going to the bcs championship again in '01 I believe. It sucks we couldn't seal the deal but we got there & 8 seasons with a bowl out of 10 is better than most.
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CPF ran your football program into the ground. He won the division three times after 98, but he didn't bring home the hardware. That's what matters. The 01 SEC Championship Game was an indicator of where the football program was headed.
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#88
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VolDad said:
1) anything you can be the 7th best team in the conference and win is not an accomplishment.

2) 0 his last 10 years

3) 0 his last 10 years

4) who cares. there is no way he should have lost that game. Saban schooled him as usual.
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Go back 11 years to fix the first two. So your saying by getting rid of Fulmer we improved our chances of winning conference titles & bcs titles? We got rid of a good coach that was down with nobody to replace him & we dug ourselves in a bigger hole.
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#89
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Some people just cant be convinced that a ship is sinking until they are floating with their water wings, Fulmer did a good job for a while, but his time was over. Alot of people would like him more if he would allow himself to be admired afar at CBS
 
#90
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DarthVisor said:
CPF ran your football program into the ground. He won the division three times after 98, but he didn't bring home the hardware. That's what matters. The 01 SEC Championship Game was an indicator of where the football program was headed.
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Lol. As a USCjr man you don't belong in this discussion. The 01 sec game was just one of those games where everything went wrong. We had handled lsu easily in the regular season. I guess you think spurrier is legendary & USCjr is on the rise.
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#91
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govols/cc said:
Go back 11 years to fix the first two. So your saying by getting rid of Fulmer we improved our chances of winning conference titles & bcs titles? We got rid of a good coach that was down with nobody to replace him & we dug ourselves in a bigger hole.
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We let go a coach that had won nothing in his last 10 years as coach, did not develop the good players he did recruit and at the end just stopped recruiting altogether.
 
#92
#92
pl3 said:
That's not accurate. Unfortunately, there are plenty of immature people on here that actually think it's cool to hate, berate and namecall without a 2nd thought.
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I'd say a lot of these people were just reacting to the Fulmerites love fest for him when he was let go.

Both extremes were uncalled for imo.

He was a very good coach but the game past him by. Too bad really. If he would have been able to adapt his game he would have gone down as one of the greatest, but thats what separates good coaches from great ones. Still though, he should be respect by UT fans for all he did for the football program. Lets just be realistic about it.
 
#93
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govols/cc said:
Go back 11 years to fix the first two. So your saying by getting rid of Fulmer we improved our chances of winning conference titles & bcs titles? We got rid of a good coach that was down with nobody to replace him & we dug ourselves in a bigger hole.
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No; we got rid of a mediocre coach who had a couple of good years in the late 90's and was exposed when better coaches entered the league.
 
#95
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hmanvolfan said:
We let go a coach that had won nothing in his last 10 years as coach, did not develop the good players he did recruit and at the end just stopped recruiting altogether.
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We let a coach go that spoiled fans from the start by winning instead of going through the normal phase of rebuilding for the first few seasons. We were so spoiled we expected 10 wins at least every season. He was guilty of having too much success too soon & was hung out to dry when we had a bad stretch. If you were to look at his career in reverse it looks more "normal" for most of you guys & you wouldn't be bashing him. I guess it's what have you done for me lately instead of what have you done.
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#96
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VolDad said:
No; we got rid of a mediocre coach who had a couple of good years in the late 90's and was exposed when better coaches entered the league.
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When did 15 winning seasons and two losing seasons become mediocre?
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#97
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govols/cc said:
Lol. As a USCjr man you don't belong in this discussion. The 01 sec game was just one of those games where everything went wrong. We had handled lsu easily in the regular season. I guess you think spurrier is legendary & USCjr is on the rise.
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The regular season game meant jack. LSU showed up to play in the game that mattered. What's sad is that UT was one win away from playing for a National Title, and CPF couldn't get them there. No excuse for UT missing that game.

What went wrong is CPF got taken behind the woodshed by Saban. That's what went wrong, my ill-informed friend.
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#98
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PimpVol said:
When did 15 winning seasons and two losing seasons become mediocre?
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UT has won at least 2 SECC per decade since joining the SEC in the 30’s with the exception of the 70’s and Fulmers 00’s.

That’s when.
 
#99
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govols/cc said:
We let a coach go that spoiled fans from the start by winning instead of going through the normal phase of rebuilding for the first few seasons. We were so spoiled we expected 10 wins at least every season. He was guilty of having too much success too soon & was hung out to dry when we had a bad stretch. If you were to look at his career in reverse it looks more "normal" for most of you guys & you wouldn't be bashing him. I guess it's what have you done for me lately instead of what have you done.
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That's exactly how it works. Are you saying that since Phil got a title in '98 we should all rest on those laurels and become the Cubs fans that say wait til next year every year? At what point should Vol fans and administration say we're not getting better and we need to make some changes to get better? Never?
 
#100
#100
hmanvolfan said:
That's exactly how it works. Are you saying that since Phil got a title in '98 we should all rest on those laurels and become the Cubs fans that say wait til next year every year? At what point should Vol fans and administration say we're not getting better and we need to make some changes to get better? Never?
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No not at all but you can't realistically think a team can win a championship every year or won't ever have a bad stretch. We hope for it but it just dont work that way. You gotta take the bad with the good.
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