do you all believe in a pure s-curve

#26
#26
LittleCat said:
Not a lot I can add here, but yeah, I agree with others that it should simply be a 1-68 type thing. Not taking anything away from the small schools that win their leagues, but on a national level, let's face it...they don't benefit the tourney in the long run. However, every once in a while they provide some excitement and cinderellas are born (Lehigh ftw)
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I really could not disagree with this more. The tournament didn't become a national phenomenon (with the TV contract going into the stratosphere) until ESPN started showing all the early round games. And what fueled that was the excitement over early-round upsets and near-upsets by little schools over the big guys. Nobody wants to see Iowa State and Ole Miss. They want to see Lehigh take out Duke. Take out the Norfolk State and Ohio and Morehead State and replace them with crappy major-conference schools (none of whom have any better chance of actually winning the tournament) and you take away the very thing that made the tournament so huge to begin with.
 
#27
#27
Vercingetorix said:
I really could not disagree with this more. The tournament didn't become a national phenomenon (with the TV contract going into the stratosphere) until ESPN started showing all the early round games. And what fueled that was the excitement over early-round upsets and near-upsets by little schools over the big guys. Nobody wants to see Iowa State and Ole Miss. They want to see Lehigh take out Duke. Take out the Norfolk State and Ohio and Morehead State and replace them with crappy major-conference schools (none of whom have any better chance of actually winning the tournament) and you take away the very thing that made the tournament so huge to begin with.
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agreed.
 
#28
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VolGee4 said:
Josh Pastner was on radio yesterday and said they should just go to 128 teams. Said it just adds a 7th game. Said that most coaches want this.

Of course, for coaches, it protects their jobs by saying they have been to the tourney. The new standard would be making it through to round of 32.
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If that happens, there would be no use for the regular season in determining the top 128. I mean 128 is just lots of teams.
 
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Vols4ever said:
If that happens, there would be no use for the regular season in determining the top 128. I mean 128 is just lots of teams.
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I agree. As much as I love the tourney, and as chaotic and fun as 128 could be, the regular season would be practically pointless. Hell, it already is pointless IMO. I wish there were a way to make the season more important without sacrificing the excitement of the Big Dance.

Also, look at this year's bubble teams. You see them losing left and right, often to bad teams. Now try to imagine the field was twice as big as it is now. How ****ty would the 'bubble teams' be then? YIKES is all I have to say. That'd put teams like LSU and A&M in the field.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Josh Pastner was on radio yesterday and said they should just go to 128 teams. Said it just adds a 7th game. Said that most coaches want this.

Of course, for coaches, it protects their jobs by saying they have been to the tourney. The new standard would be making it through to round of 32.
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So, basically Pastner was on the radio with a really bad idea.
 
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#32
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Vercingetorix said:
I really could not disagree with this more. The tournament didn't become a national phenomenon (with the TV contract going into the stratosphere) until ESPN started showing all the early round games. And what fueled that was the excitement over early-round upsets and near-upsets by little schools over the big guys. Nobody wants to see Iowa State and Ole Miss. They want to see Lehigh take out Duke. Take out the Norfolk State and Ohio and Morehead State and replace them with crappy major-conference schools (none of whom have any better chance of actually winning the tournament) and you take away the very thing that made the tournament so huge to begin with.
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I enjoy the games where upsets happen, but more often than not its mostly cupcakes for the top seeds. But I understand the point your making.
 
#33
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LittleCat said:
I enjoy the games where upsets happen, but more often than not its mostly cupcakes for the top seeds. But I understand the point your making.
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There's no concept of "March Madness" to begin with without the little guys pulling upsets. At least one of these upsets happens almost every year, which is the whole reason most people watch the first weekend. Claiming that the small schools don't benefit the tournament is nonsense.
 
#35
#35
99gator said:
so, you don't believe in automatics for the mid majors
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Why should a team that's played a tough schedule (Bama/ Ole Miss/Ky) be left out just because the Horizon league crowned the 13th grade champion????
 
#36
#36
The tourney is more exciting when the mid major team like Butler or VCU makes a run. The cream usually rises to the top anyway but it's those early round upsets that people remember and talk about.

And this often puts their coaches on the map too and opens doors for them to get bigger jobs if they choose
 
#38
#38
The thing I hate most about the current setup is that the conference tourney champ gets an automatic bid. I think the regular season champ should get the automatic bid. Reward what the team did for the whole season, not 4 or 5 days.

I understand most of the time this works itself out, but some good teams have been left out because of this over the years. MTSU last year comes to mind, I know there are others.
 
#39
#39
whocaresgobobcats said:
But that would just turn into the BCS and with the Power 6 conferences getting most of the bids since lower conferences will have lower SOS and RPIs. And schools from mid-majors have proven they can beat teams from Power 6 schools and make runs in the tournament. Getting rid of the automatic bid would be terrible.


It's not fair to punish an Akron or Ohio because they have to play NIU, EMU, BGSU, etc that brings down their SOS and RPI.

And if your're counter argument is for lower schools to schedule harder teams to boost SOS and RPI, that won't happen because why would the Power 6 schools do that? Why risk a loss a mid-major which would harm their chances at a bid. It's already hard enough for these good mid-majors to schedule good Power 6 schools, these will make it near impossible.
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Gonzaga, VCU, St Mary's, Creighton, St. Louis, New Mexico, San Diego State, Colorado State, UNLV, MTSU, Witchita State, Belmont, Memphis, Denver, LaSalle, Boise State, Akron, Stony Brook, Bucknell, Southern Mississippi, Butler, Illinois State, Louisiana Tech, Valporaiso, Davidson, and Stephen F Austin are all in KenPoms top 68. That's about 40% of the field that doesn't come a power 6 conference.

How would that not be fair?
 
#43
#43
calban said:
I've always had problems with it.
Some kind of pre tourney play off to get the 8 best of the patsies or something. Anything is better than the present system.
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The smaller schools really need the money they get for playing in the tourny. Few schools draw 20,000 fans to a game.
 
#44
#44
bleedingTNorange said:
He's impressed me, done a good job this season, curious to see if they can win one in the dance...we are their best win.
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Will depend on matchup. They are hoping for a higher seed but expecting something like last year.

I haven't seen every game, but they have played well on the road. I think they rely too much on the outside shot. They have superior athletes who should be able to get to the rim whenever they want.
 
#45
#45
VolGee4 said:
Josh Pastner was on radio yesterday and said they should just go to 128 teams. Said it just adds a 7th game. Said that most coaches want this.

Of course, for coaches, it protects their jobs by saying they have been to the tourney. The new standard would be making it through to round of 32.
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Pastner's always looking for the easy road. The guy lacks so much confidence in himself its comical. I bet he wet himself out of excitement when the catholic schools announced they were leaving the Big East. Throw in Cuse and Pitt leaving and the BE is conference USA again with a different name.
 
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#46
I liked the 65 teams with the play in game from a couple years ago. They keep adding more teams and the bubble is weak. I like the automatic bids though, look at all the small schools that's made noise the last few years. It makes the big dance that much better IMO.
 
#47
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Pastner's always looking for the easy road. The guy lacks so much confidence in himself its comical. I bet he wet himself out of excitement when the catholic schools announced they were leaving the Big East. Throw in Cuse and Pitt leaving and the BE is conference USA again with a different name.
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I really like him as a person- solid guy. But, I agree that he has become paranoid and defensive. Kind of been over the top this year.

Gary Parish says there is an outside chance that Pastner and USC could be something to watch after the season. It depends on how Memphis finishes and obviously if USC offers. If Memphis doesn't win a tourney game, then the fans will not be happy. He could start fresh with a new program and probably make close to $2 million.
 
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#48
VolGee4 said:
Will depend on matchup. They are hoping for a higher seed but expecting something like last year.

I haven't seen every game, but they have played well on the road. I think they rely too much on the outside shot. They have superior athletes who should be able to get to the rim whenever they want.
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Last night was big, not a big win, but loss would've hurt...I'm thinking they'll be about a 8, maybe as high as 6 if they win out.
 
#49
#49
whocaresgobobcats said:
But that would just turn into the BCS and with the Power 6 conferences getting most of the bids since lower conferences will have lower SOS and RPIs. And schools from mid-majors have proven they can beat teams from Power 6 schools and make runs in the tournament. Getting rid of the automatic bid would be terrible.


It's not fair to punish an Akron or Ohio because they have to play NIU, EMU, BGSU, etc that brings down their SOS and RPI.

And if your're counter argument is for lower schools to schedule harder teams to boost SOS and RPI, that won't happen because why would the Power 6 schools do that? Why risk a loss a mid-major which would harm their chances at a bid. It's already hard enough for these good mid-majors to schedule good Power 6 schools, these will make it near impossible.
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How many games would Ohio or Akron win in a power conference?
 
#50
#50
zjcvols said:
You put in the best 68 teams IMO.

I don't care that Liberty University gets in.

I know no one will agree with me though
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No, you're wrong there. I agree. Only the best teams should be in. Conference championships are only in place to generate more money. IMO they shouldn't even be a factor.:thumbsup:
GO VOLS!
 
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