Do we have 4 or 6 National Championships?

#76
#76
Yall get a great post from Nick and you're still talking about a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter.

Great post Nick.
 
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utvolpj said:
actually I thank the Huskers for the whipping as I believe it showed our guys what it took to win a NC
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Maybe so because the difference in years was evident. In 97 we played finesse ball, in 98 we played bruiser ball on all sides.
 
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utvolpj said:
I believe he hurt it in the SECCG as he had a limp that night too
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I can barely remember that game as well. Didn't realize we had won by so close, just remember that we won.

Jeez, I need some of those games from when I was a little kid on DVD, so I can see if I jar any memories.
 
#81
#81
I hate living in the past...One thing I would like to see besides a National Championship is a Heisman Trophy winner from Tennessee. I mean we've had some contenders but I would like to go to the football complex one day and see that bronze statue. I know football is a team game but it kills me to see schools like BYU, Syracuse, Navy etc etc with winners and we don't.

It baffles me though that Bama has never had one. They had some great teams under The Bear but no Heismans. Show's that we is always more important than me
 
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utvolpj said:
I believe he hurt it in the SECCG as he had a limp that night too
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yep it was hurt against Auburn and it carried over into the Nebraska game weeks later. Man his knee was severely swollen.

Takeo Spikes in that game was a complete beast.
 
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Bobbaloo said:
I hate living in the past...One thing I would like to see besides a National Championship is a Heisman Trophy winner from Tennessee. I mean we've had some contenders but I would like to go to the football complex one day and see that bronze statue. I know football is a team game but it kills me to see schools like BYU, Syracuse, Navy etc etc with winners and we don't.

It baffles me though that Bama has never had one. They had some great teams under The Bear but no Heismans. Show's that we is always more important than me
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The more I look back at previous years, the more I think that this is never going to happen, at least not in my lifetime.

A guy I can think of that would have won it, had the Heisman even been around at that time was Beattie Feathers. Legend has it that that guy was an absolute monster.
 
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Bobbaloo said:
I hate living in the past...One thing I would like to see besides a National Championship is a Heisman Trophy winner from Tennessee. I mean we've had some contenders but I would like to go to the football complex one day and see that bronze statue. I know football is a team game but it kills me to see schools like BYU, Syracuse, Navy etc etc with winners and we don't.

It baffles me though that Bama has never had one. They had some great teams under The Bear but no Heismans. Show's that we is always more important than me
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i think we will have a heisman trophy sooner or later. but i rather have 6 national championships and no hesiman trophy then 6 heisman trophys and no national championships
 
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Bobbaloo said:
I hate living in the past...One thing I would like to see besides a National Championship is a Heisman Trophy winner from Tennessee. I mean we've had some contenders but I would like to go to the football complex one day and see that bronze statue. I know football is a team game but it kills me to see schools like BYU, Syracuse, Navy etc etc with winners and we don't.

It baffles me though that Bama has never had one. They had some great teams under The Bear but no Heismans. Show's that we is always more important than me
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Well said. Peyton may have had a better shot his senior year if our defense wasn't so good.
 
#90
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nickknx865 said:
To get this back on topic, the more I think about it, the more that that 1914 National Championship looks legit. Tennessee went 9-0 that year, beating Southern powerhouses Sewanee(best team in the south at that time), Vanderbilt, and Alabama(rising power at that time).

The only other teams I can think of that would be in contention would be Harvard(generally recognized as the national champs for that year). Harvard went 7-0-2, tying Penn State(not exactly the greatest team in that day), and tying Brown(same applies here).

Another team I can think of is Illinois. 7-0, under legendary coach Robert Zuppke. They were world beaters that year, and more than likely played a quality schedule, beating tOSU 37-0, midwestern power Minnesota 21-6, and beating another midwestern power Chicago 21-7.

Army is also another contender here(I might be wrong, but I think General Neyland played on that team). They went 9-0 as well. However, the quality of their schedule is absolute garbage. The best team they played all year was Notre Dame, who had beaten them the previous year in probably one of the most important games in college football history, in that ND threw the ball a considerable amount of times for that era.

So it really comes down to Tennessee or Illinois.

I think most won't care, but I thought that this would be intresting.
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1914 is actually a year that I figure Auburn should be in the discussion too. We went 8-0-1 and didn't allow a single point to be scored all year. We scored 193 points and gave up zero. The one tie was a 0-0 tie with Georgia in Atlanta. Auburn had gone 8-0 the year before in 1913 too.

I always figured Tennessee for 4 national titles, but if you use the criteria of being recognized by at least two different organizations, you could say 7 (31, 38, 40, 50, 51, 56, and 98).

Going by the same thing for Auburn, I've always thought we should take the Bama method and claim 5 for ourselves (13, 57, 83, 93, and 04).

For me 1983 is probably the most irritating one that we should have had....even more so than 2004.
 
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jadennis said:
1914 is actually a year that I figure Auburn should be in the discussion too. We went 8-0-1 and didn't allow a single point to be scored all year. We scored 193 points and gave up zero. The one tie was a 0-0 tie with Georgia in Atlanta. Auburn had gone 8-0 the year before in 1913 too.

I always figured Tennessee for 4 national titles, but if you use the criteria of being recognized by at least two different organizations, you could say 7 (31, 38, 40, 50, 51, 56, and 98).

Going by the same thing for Auburn, I've always thought we should take the Bama method and claim 5 for ourselves (13, 57, 83, 93, and 04).

For me 1983 is probably the most irritating one that we should have had....even more so than 2004.
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Hmm........I'll have to check into this later.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
The only years we were recognized by the AP or the coach's poll was 1951 and 1998, so we have 2 legit MNCs.
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AP's not the only major poll.

NCAA Division I FBS National Football Championship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look at the lists and the names after each one; while the AP and coach's is the only big ones that survived out of all those, they were all very relevant back during these times/years

those all counted back then; they just died out up to now
 
#94
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nickknx865 said:
Oh, was that the reason why they pulled him? I thought I remembered him being pulled a little earlier than he should have been.
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Yeah manning was hurt before the game. I remember reading both about Nebraska planning to take advantage of that with blitzes and pressure as well as a write-up I saw later from SI talking about Manning playing that game hurt
 
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GmanTN said:
That's hilarious, let's erase history books and the valiant efforts that Neylands teams went thru. The BCS is just as flawed as the way NC were crowned before BCS, in some ways it is even more flawed. It is more of a popularity vote then who the best teams are. Utah got no love last season and took Bama to the woodshed for an undefeated season. The biggest examples I can give for the BCS flaws is you have people like Jimmy Hyams who has AP votes that factor in to the BCS rankings, you have coaches who vote, that are homers and cannot watch all the teams play that cast votes in the coaches poll which factors into BCS rankings. Then you have the computer BCS rankings that are imputed by factors that are computed by all of the above as well as personal opinion. We will never have a true NC until we have a playoff system and with all the big money from bowls, I do not forsee any changes in the near future. Bottomline is count the ones that are identified in the history books up to now but remember until a true playoff is in place they all are popularity votes and speculation.
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Well if it's the voting part in the ways you say, then the human polls have actually been the biggest problem all along and are the thing that needs to be gotten rid of
 
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GmanTN said:
We will never have a true NC until we have a playoff system and with all the big money from bowls, I do not forsee any changes in the near future. Bottomline is count the ones that are identified in the history books up to now but remember until a true playoff is in place they all are popularity votes and speculation.
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True dat. D1 FBS football is the only sport in which the NCAA does not recognize a national champion. The BCS and all the polls (whether coaches or AP or whatever) are completely independent from the NCAA. So it's only a beauty contest.

Behind the Blue Disk - Football: Bowl Championship Series - NCAA.org
 
#99
#99
crusse10 said:
Suck it Bama!
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That same website said BAMA had 25! Another section of that site showed the correct 4 that are recognized for UT and the 11 that are recognized for BAMA.

However, if BAMA is going to claim all 11 of theirs(some of which were very suspect) then I will claim all 6 of our's when arguing.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Yeah manning was hurt before the game. I remember reading both about Nebraska planning to take advantage of that with blitzes and pressure as well as a write-up I saw later from SI talking about Manning playing that game hurt
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Plus he was on Lettermen before the game trying to throw footballs into windows. That probably wore him out, too.
 
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