Do we finally have the right strength and conditioning staff?

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82_VOL_83 said:
Read my edit and see if you agree.
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I’d just add that the only way BOT’s scenario plays out is if Pruitt isn’t allowed to make all of his own hires. Basically force him to keep the previous coach’s hire in the spirit of “fairness”. That’s failure in solid form.
 
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butchna said:
I’d just add that the only way BOT’s scenario plays out is if Pruitt isn’t allowed to make all of his own hires. Basically force him to keep the previous coach’s hire in the spirit of “fairness”. That’s failure in solid form.
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Biopsyman said:
Jones was a train wreck...Machines... really?
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I’ve been the weight room several times and it’s power rack centered. Unless things have changed in the last 2 years were not just using machines. Obviously there’s room for improvement. Hope it all works out big for us.
 
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Freak said:
Rock Gullickson. There was TONS of hype around his hire.

In recent years our strength and conditioning seemed poor regardless of who was leading it.
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I think accountability comes from the top and we know Butch wasn’t big on accountability.
 
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butchna said:
He feels Rock was unfairly let go. What he fails to recognize is that unless you’re a Tommy Moffitt or Scott Cochran type, the new coach will always hire their own guy. And the stars are usually snapped up before the new hire is finalized anyway.
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“Unfairly let go”? That’s delusional. As we all know, new coach gets the guys he wants. Nothing against Rock, good dude, good strength guy....but I’m thrilled with Fitz and the energy and techniques he’s bringing....he’s just what the program needed imho. Time will obviously tell.
 
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KBVol said:
Lol. Rock had ZERO to do with Butch Jones getting fired.....Lyle got Lyle fired.
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So you’re saying that being thrown around like rag dolls and getting hurt all the time because of lack of strength had nothing to do with it? I should’ve said that Rock helped the process along.
 
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d3ft punk said:
So you’re saying that being thrown around like rag dolls and getting hurt all the time because of lack of strength had nothing to do with it? I should’ve said that Rock helped the process along.
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I’m saying that Butch Jones had far, far more failings that led to his firing that any failure Rock Gullickson may or may not have contributed in his 10-11 months as our S&C coach. And please recall that we got thrown around like rag dolls vs Appy State, Vandy and others all season long in 2016, before Rock even got here.
 
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KBVol said:
I’m saying that Butch Jones had far, far more failings that led to his firing that any failure Rock Gullickson may or may not have contributed in his 10-11 months as our S&C coach. And please recall that we got thrown around like rag dolls vs Appy State, Vandy and others all season long in 2016, before Rock even got here.
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Also, ultimately the S&C coach tailors the S&C program to whatever the head coach wants it to be. He isn't some rogue coach who does what he wants. Rock ran the program the way Butch wanted it ran.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Also, ultimately the S&C coach tailors the S&C program to whatever the head coach wants it to be. He isn't some rogue coach who does what he wants. Rock ran the program the way Butch wanted it ran.
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Sorry but this doesnt make sense. Think back to 2015. It was reporetd Alabama said we were the most physical team they played. Now whether that was really true is irrelevant. Because absolutely nobody would say our past two years teams were physical. Before 2015, our injuries were average. The past 2 seasons? Historic.

Now, how is this pertinent? Using your premise, Butch just all of a sudden, in year 4, told his S&C coach to not do his job correctly? Or to let the players be lax and lazy in the weight room? More simply stated, he wante the S&C program to be trashed. That doesnt make sense.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Sorry but this doesnt make sense. Think back to 2015. It was reporetd Alabama said we were the most physical team they played. Now whether that was really true is irrelevant. Because absolutely nobody would say our past two years teams were physical. Before 2015, our injuries were average. The past 2 seasons? Historic.

Now, how is this pertinent? Using your premise, Butch just all of a sudden, in year 4, told his S&C coach to not do his job correctly? Or to let the players be lax and lazy in the weight room? More simply stated, he wante the S&C program to be trashed. That doesnt make sense.
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Maybe by year 4, Butch had sufficiently been exposed as a liar and a hack and a lot of the kids in the program started to tune him out/transfer altogether. Skipped meetings and maybe didn't train as hard as they should have.

Maybe him losing control of the roster is what led to him wanting out by the end of 2016, and ultimately the collapse in 2017.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
Maybe by year 4, Butch had sufficiently been exposed as a liar and a hack and a lot of the kids in the program started to tune him out/transfer altogether. Skipped meetings and maybe didn't train as hard as they should have.

Maybe him losing control of the roster is what led to him wanting out by the end of 2016, and ultimately the collapse in 2017.
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This along with firing Lawson prob sums it up pretty well.
 
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Trying to figure out the weight room changes. The company they went with seems to go deep with how they use the equipment/train.

In one video there is a segment of prepping with Vitamin C and Gelatin(tendons) one hour before working out to help strengthen tendons. Apparently tendons do not have not much vascular structure, but when you load them, some of the liquid in them gets squeezed out. And when you unload them, the liquid returns. If your body is loaded with C and gelatin, some Gelatin makes it back into the tendon and the tendon gets stronger.

This is really important for avoiding tendon tears and overuse injuries. For me tendons are the limiting element in training and when ripped, they take a long time to heal.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Sorry but this doesnt make sense. Think back to 2015. It was reporetd Alabama said we were the most physical team they played. Now whether that was really true is irrelevant. Because absolutely nobody would say our past two years teams were physical. Before 2015, our injuries were average. The past 2 seasons? Historic.

Now, how is this pertinent? Using your premise, Butch just all of a sudden, in year 4, told his S&C coach to not do his job correctly? Or to let the players be lax and lazy in the weight room? More simply stated, he wante the S&C program to be trashed. That doesnt make sense.
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Maybe you missed the part about where he left S&C up to the "team captains" and didn't drive it himself.
 
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Will be a wait and see what shows up on the field. Every year we are stronger and better than ever then we can't go up against anyone toe to toe. So even though I am optimistic that Pruitt will take care of this along with Fulmer I will have to take a wait and see approach.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Also, ultimately the S&C coach tailors the S&C program to whatever the head coach wants it to be. He isn't some rogue coach who does what he wants. Rock ran the program the way Butch wanted it ran.
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Also the football players have to show up and do the work. I don't know if the Jones culture required that kind of dedication in the off season.
 
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Big Orange #1 said:
I've always said from day one with Butch that our players just don't look "physically ascetic" as the top SEC programs. I know being huge and ripped isn't everything but our guys looked like JV teams compared to AL, GA, LSU in just physical looks. I remember when i would watch Little, Wilson, Lewis, etc. from the 90's and those guys looked like grown men. I would always make the joke to my friends that AL gave their guys HGH because they are so much bigger and stronger than UT. Hopefully that changes the next few years and we get back to being the biggest dogs in the yard.
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Just go back and tee up the Battle of Bristol game against VT. Just take a look at our OL and DL players physically. I cannot say I ever saw a softer SEC team take the field and that includes Vandy.
 
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Rock and Fitzgerald may face a few of the same challenges. Trying to "motivate" a young college athlete to take his conditioning beyond where he thinks it is or should be is WAAAAAAAY different from that of a highly paid professional athlete who realizes it's perform or gone and money with it. I suspect most of the NFL guys are men and ready to do what it takes to play and stay on the field, not a lot of motivation needed. Some of these college kids probably have hard time rolling out of bed on time, much less showing up and pushing through physically taxing themselves to the levels expected. That's two different skill sets S&C people will need. Not sure Rock had that part, here's to hoping Fitzgerald does.
 
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