Do the Maxims matter?

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1. The team that makes the fewest mistakes wins.

Watching Indiana dismantle Oregon and Bama, the 5th and 2nd best rated rosters in college football, had me scratching my head. Cignetti is doing more than he’s getting credit for. You’re impressed? Not as much as you should be. He is putting the college coaching world on notice. You can’t help but compare, so one has to ask, does Heupel have what it takes to achieve what Cignetti has accomplished? Both face uphill battles. Indiana is a perennial door mat. I mean, zero history of success. UT was in a spiral when Heupel arrived. In year one, Cignetti had the Hoosiers in the playoff his first year. In year two, they are undefeated and playing for it all. He’s beat some of the best historic programs in doing so. They aren’t just winning, they are handling folks.

The first maxim is telling. Indiana is in the top 5 in the nation for fewest penalties committed. Do they false start, jump off sides, or get hit with personal fouls? Nope. Do they give up turnovers? It is nothing short of remarkable. One lost fumble all year. One!!!

How is Tennessee in penalties? 75th. Which Sadly is an improvement. Heupel’s teams have consistently ranked in the bottom of college football since he became a head coach. I’m talking in the hundreds. We’ve grown accustomed to laundry on the field. One cannot fulfill the maxims if it cannot fulfill the first. This is why I don’t see Heupel making it here. Every Saturday, he takes a steaming hot **** on the General’s legacy. He shrugs and says We have to do better? Really?

if you had to base your decision on the maxims alone, would the General hire Heupel to work for him?
 
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It is an important maxim. But you have to consider it is one of many. Fewer mistakes by itself is not going to be the difference maker. It can be one of several difference makers when all combined (or an important opportunity arises).

Butch Jones teams had very few penalties. We don't want him back.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
They said after the game that IU has more sixth year seniors than total underclassmen. When Heupel is fielding a team with 40 23 year olds on it then come back and we’ll talk about “the Generals Legacy “.
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So Cignetti built this team in less than two years, but we’re to believe that Heupel isn’t the one in control of his roster at year 5? This is some major gaslighting.
 
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McDad said:
It is an important maxim. But you have to consider it is one of many. Fewer mistakes by itself is not going to be the difference maker. It can be one of several difference makers when all combined (or an important opportunity arises).

Butch Jones teams had very few penalties. We don't want him back.
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Fewer mistakes isn’t going to be a difference maker? Wow, can I quote you on that? Penalties is only one form of mistake. I think fewer mistakes is an indicator of a larger truth. That being the discipline of your program. Hell, Failing to get lined up is a mistake.
 
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WaywardVol said:
Fewer mistakes isn’t going to be a difference maker? Wow, can I quote you on that? Penalties is only one form of mistake. I think fewer mistakes is an indicator of a larger truth. That being the discipline of your program. Hell, Failing to get lined up is a mistake.
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You could quote but I doubt you would do it accurately.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
They said after the game that IU has more sixth year seniors than total underclassmen. When Heupel is fielding a team with 40 23 year olds on it then come back and we’ll talk about “the Generals Legacy “.
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Yep that’s the key. Same for Barnes in BB. When we have “old” teams we do better. So I think quantity of upperclassmen in portal this year is important…especially on D and OL.
 
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WaywardVol said:
So Cignetti built this team in less than two years, but we’re to believe that Heupel isn’t the one in control of his roster at year 5? This is some major gaslighting.
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Cignetti is trying something no one has tried previously. No one else had the idea to take low rated players and circle back 3-4 years later when they were more mature physically and mentally. Hes fielding a team closer to the Packers in age than an SEC team. Heupel got here trying to catch Kirby/ Saban and Dabo. With 5 star HS recruits. Maybe he changes his strategy and fields a team with less mistakes.
 
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Not every team can have a Heisman QB. It helps to have receivers that don’t drop the ball and they made some great catches. Also as has been mentioned, a senior laden team. Yes, Cignetti is a very good coach but let’s see how it goes next year.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Someone skipped breakfast.
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I generally try not to be dismissive of others. But I have such a low tolerance for others who lack self awareness and a cooperative attitude.

OP's example is a cherry picked stat which has its place in import. But it isn't the one metric of championships. Miami ranks 113 in penalties per game. Far worse than UT.
 
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Cignetti brought over 20 JMU players with him. That helped the transformation. He is a very effective coach. His team executes.

On another note, JMU lost 20 something players 2 years ago. Probably some of their better players and made the playoffs this year. I know they probably didn’t deserve it, but with in the confines of the rules they did. Yeah they have NIL , but it can’t be comparable to P4. That is a good program.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Cignetti is trying something no one has tried previously. No one else had the idea to take low rated players and circle back 3-4 years later when they were more mature physically and mentally. Hes fielding a team closer to the Packers in age than an SEC team. Heupel got here trying to catch Kirby/ Saban and Dabo. With 5 star HS recruits. Maybe he changes his strategy and fields a team with less mistakes.
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I do also think cignetti is obviously a good coach, but he also caught lightning in a bottle with players who came over w him from jmu and the qb. Not easy to duplicate every year. I do like seeing the disruption in the playoffs though.
 
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hillbilly said:
Cignetti brought over 20 JMU players with him. That helped the transformation. He is a very effective coach. His team executes.

On another note, JMU lost 20 something players 2 years ago. Probably some of their better players and made the playoffs this year. I know they probably didn’t deserve it, but with in the confines of the rules they did. Yeah they have NIL , but it can’t be comparable to P4. That is a good program.
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Yeah we haven’t seemed interested in any of their players. I was hoping we would take 4/5 as a package deal but alas.
 
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Raebo said:
Not every team can have a Heisman QB. It helps to have receivers that don’t drop the ball and they made some great catches. Also as has been mentioned, a senior laden team. Yes, Cignetti is a very good coach but let’s see how it goes next year.
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His team will be very good every year from now on
 
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I would say the intangible of "culture" makes some teams really special. Indiana seems to have that. I don't have any clue what the culture is at TN. Nobody (coaches or players) seem to be particularly vested in anything but self. There doesn't seem to be much passion on the field, sideline or press box. Looks like a team just going through the motions and collecting payments.
 
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McDad said:
I generally try not to be dismissive of others. But I have such a low tolerance for others who lack self awareness and a cooperative attitude.

OP's example is a cherry picked stat which has its place in import. But it isn't the one metric of championships. Miami ranks 113 in penalties per game. Far worse than UT.
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And we are going to witness Miami getting crushed by the most disciplined team who will also, interestingly enough, make the fewest mistakes!
 
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McDad said:
It is an important maxim. But you have to consider it is one of many. Fewer mistakes by itself is not going to be the difference maker. It can be one of several difference makers when all combined (or an important opportunity arises).

Butch Jones teams had very few penalties. We don't want him back.
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While not wanting Butch back might be true, it is also true that General Neyland was known for the proper execution and discipline of his teams…he was also known for his teams winning 7 SEC Titles and 4 National Championships. One can only hope that Heupel can, in small way, imitate the General…which he isn’t doing so well at as of today’s date! I think that was the OP’s actual argument. GBO!
 
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