Do not squander your heritage

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Isn't 2012 the end of the Mayan calender because it the beginning of the Age of Aquarius and the end of the Age of Pisces?
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
the lines here in bama this morning were ridiculous, i guess that's what happens when there isn't early voting. this state is behind the times, inbreeding still occurs as well. i'm going to vote later today, hopefully it won't be as bad.
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We had early voting here and most of the people I talked to that voted early said they waited in line for an average of an hour and a half. I voted today and it took an hour.. :dunno:
 
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hmanvolfan said:
We had early voting here and most of the people I talked to that voted early said they waited in line for an average of an hour and a half. I voted today and it took an hour.. :dunno:
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You guys have some logistics issues that need to be worked out. It took me 5 minutes to vote today...tops.
 
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rbroyles said:
Think of all those who have sacrificed life and limb since the formative days of our nation to give and preserve this right.
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Nobody sacrificed life and limb during our formative days for a right to vote for POTUS. They sacrificed for either fair representation in London or, seeing that they would not be appeased in their appeals, for liberty.

There is no Constitutional right to vote. It does not exist. If you want to discuss squandering heritage though, let's try this:

These people fought and died for liberty and fair representation. Democrats had to fight tooth and nail to fight the Motor Voter Act in order to get people who are too apathetic and lazy to register to vote (read the welfare side of that Act...very interesting).

Worse yet, now people register to vote while waiting to enter football stadiums, movie theaters, and the like. These indifferent, apathetic, lazy, and, by all reasonable assumptions, politically ignorant persons are now making decisions that will materially affect the free world.

Talk about squandering our heritage.
 
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therealUT said:
Nobody sacrificed life and limb during our formative days for a right to vote for POTUS.
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What I am referencing is without those who stood up to British tyranny, none of the rights and privilledges we enjoy would exist since this country would not be.
 
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therealUT said:
Nobody sacrificed life and limb during our formative days for a right to vote for POTUS. They sacrificed for either fair representation in London or, seeing that they would not be appeased in their appeals, for liberty.

There is no Constitutional right to vote. It does not exist. If you want to discuss squandering heritage though, let's try this:

These people fought and died for liberty and fair representation. Democrats had to fight tooth and nail to fight the Motor Voter Act in order to get people who are too apathetic and lazy to register to vote (read the welfare side of that Act...very interesting).

Worse yet, now people register to vote while waiting to enter football stadiums, movie theaters, and the like. These indifferent, apathetic, lazy, and, by all reasonable assumptions, politically ignorant persons are now making decisions that will materially affect the free world.

Talk about squandering our heritage.
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Al Gore's strange ramblings aside, that is an overreaching statement that leads to an incorrect conculsion. The body of the Constitution calls for electors to be chosen by the States, and there is a large body of law that defines what the States may and may not do. Article 4 has provisions that relate, or have been extended to, voting rights. Senators are specifically required to be chosen by popular vote, and the Ammendments are full of specifications about who cannot be denied voting rights.

So while the Constitution does not specifically enumerate a "Right to Vote" for all American citizens, it is there.
 
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cotton said:
Al Gore's strange ramblings aside, that is an overreaching statement that leads to an incorrect conculsion. The body of the Constitution calls for electors to be chosen by the States, and there is a large body of law that defines what the States may and may not do. Article 4 has provisions that relate, or have been extended to, voting rights. Senators are specifically required to be chosen by popular vote, and the Ammendments are full of specifications about who cannot be denied voting rights.

So while the Constitution does not specifically enumerate a "Right to Vote" for all American citizens, it is there.
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Wrong.
 
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rbroyles said:
If you are not planning to vote today, please reconsider. Think of all those who have sacrificed life and limb since the formative days of our nation to give and preserve this right. Even if you agree with my opinion that there is not a good choice, make a choice. You can always make a protest vote for one of the other candidates, at least you are not squandering your heritage. You cannot complain, if you don't participate.
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People died for the right to bear arms... yet I don't own a gun, either.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
People died for the right to bear arms... yet I don't own a gun, either.
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People died more so for the right to bear arms than for the Constitutionally elusive "right to vote".

The initial battles pitched at Lexington and Concord were fought because the British were marching there to confiscate supposed stores of weapons.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
People died for the right to bear arms... yet I don't own a gun, either.
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I know what you are saying, but having the freedom to own a gun doesn't require you to do so. Not exercising that right does not affect others. Having the ability to vote doesn't require you to vote either, but it is a duty IMO. It is not healthy for a minority of the people being able to determine our leadership, and in the case of referendums, approving/disapproving laws or tax issues. Not voting when it becomes the norm does affect others.
 
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rbroyles said:
It is not healthy for a minority of the people being able to determine our leadership, and in the case of referendums, approving/disapproving laws or tax issues.
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It is less healthy when the ignorant masses show up and determine our future.
 
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therealUT said:
It is less healthy when the ignorant masses show up and determine our future.
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So only those who meet your qualifications should vote? That is an elitist view point at best, perhaps you would bring back voter qualifying exams?
 
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rbroyles said:
So only those who meet your qualifications should vote? That is an elitist view point at best, perhaps you would bring back voter qualifying exams?
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I don't think that asking voters to understand the issues is out of line.
 
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rbroyles said:
So only those who meet your qualifications should vote? That is an elitist view point at best, perhaps you would bring back voter qualifying exams?
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temat said:
Is that an Elitist statement?
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Yes, it most certainly is an elitist sentiment. I am much more qualified to vote than someone who is ignorant of the issues. I find it quite disturbing that most who hold BHO up as a messiah and a demigod, in no way follow up that passion in trying to learn what exactly it is he is pushing and who he is as a person.

Elitist and demanding, yes.
 
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cotton said:
No, right.
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This might be as close as the Constitution gets to any "right to vote". Please note, there is indeed a presumed "qualification" in order to be an "Elector" (notice the Constitution did not use the word "Citizen" in this choosing of Representatives...)
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of Chusing Senators.
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Once again, you are wrong.
 
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therealUT said:
This might be as close as the Constitution gets to any "right to vote". Please note, there is indeed a presumed "qualification" in order to be an "Elector" (notice the Constitution did not use the word "Citizen" in this choosing of Representatives...)

Once again, you are wrong.
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I'm not going to rehash my post to argue with you. Everything I put in it is correct. Reread the document, study law, or don't and just repeat some line from the Weathermen or Branch Dividians that you think makes you sound smart but radical. I would challenge you, however, if you truly believe there is no constitutional right to vote, to try denying it to someone.
 
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cotton said:
I'm not going to rehash my post to argue with you. Everything I put in it is correct. Reread the document, study law, or don't and just repeat some line from the Weathermen or Branch Dividians that you think makes you sound smart but radical. I would challenge you, however, if you truly believe there is no constitutional right to vote, to try denying it to someone.
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Repeat some line, huh? I am the one who is actually referencing the Constitution. You have yet to provide any evidence whatsoever. If there is a "Right to Vote" in the Constitution, just provide it here.

The process of electing federal representatives is left to the states. Some states might have a "Right to Vote" in their state constitutions. However, if a state decided to amend their state's constitution and restrict voting privileges based not on race, gender, poll taxes, or age (as certain Amendments preclude this), then please present your claim that these states are in violation of the US Constitution.
 
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therealUT said:
Repeat some line, huh? I am the one who is actually referencing the Constitution. You have yet to provide any evidence whatsoever. If there is a "Right to Vote" in the Constitution, just provide it here.
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The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

That's why I suggested you read the document; it is pretty obvious you didn't finish. Please notice how each provision begins with "The right of the citizens of the United States to vote..." I hate it when people make me do their work for them, particularly when it stems from ignorance and obstinance.
 
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