Dissecting the current Tennessee fanbase

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hatvol96 said:
Tennessee, despite a pretty bad talent deficit, will win 7-8 games in the regular season this year. Can't see any scenario under which they win more than 9 or fewer than 6.

In the offseason, the staff, primarily Orgeron and Wilson, will mine their junior college connections to find immediate help for both lines. Tennessee will sign two quality QB recruits, one of whom will eventually take the starting job from NS, either in fall camp or early in the season.

The schedule in '10 will give Kiffin a shot at his first real signature win, with Florida and Alabama both in Knoxville. He'll pick at least one of them off. The Vols are still a bit callow, so I'll call it 9 wins in the regular season.

Another top 10 recruiting class in the offseason.

The schedule in '11 will mask the fact that Tennesse is on the cusp of being a top 5 team. Call it another 9 win regular season, but anyone with half a brain sees where it is going.

Another top 10 recruiting class in the offseason.

Tennessee goes 11-1 in the regular season in '12, wins the SEC title, then we see where the chips fall as to whether or not there are two undefeated teams elsewhere in BCS leagues.

How's that for taking a position? A little more solid than "he needs to be competitive against good teams" don't you think?
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Well done, hat. I knew you had it in you. So it sounds like you expect UT to go about .500 in those games, with steady improvement each year. We shall see. I won't disagree with much, except to say that marginal upsets will come in 2009 and 2010 to the Ole Misses and Carolinas and possibly Kentuckys of the league. I would predict 1-2 additional losses in each season as a result. 2011 is a mystery, at this point.
 
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Duckhook said:
Well done, hat. I knew you had it in you. So it sounds like you expect UT to go about .500 in those games, with steady improvement each year. We shall see. I won't disagree with much, except to say that marginal upsets will come in 2009 and 2010 to the Ole Misses and Carolinas and possibly Kentuckys of the league. I would predict 1-2 additional losses in each season as a result. 2011 is a mystery, at this point.
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Losing to Ole Miss this year wouldn't be an upset. South Carolina is garbage. If Kentucky didn't take advantage of Tennessee last year, they're out of luck for another decade if they don't beat UT this season.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Losing to Ole Miss this year wouldn't be an upset. South Carolina is garbage. If Kentucky didn't take advantage of Tennessee last year, they're out of luck for another decade if they don't beat UT this season.
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That's why I used the word "marginal"...IMO, anytime UT loses to Ole Miss, it should be regarded an upset. That said, I understand the point. Ole Miss will be favored at home, and I predict they will win.

Carolina's D is stout, and if Garcia is still around Columbia, they will be favored over UT in late Oct...bank on it.

To your point on Kentucky, that is exactly why it would be considered an upset.
 
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Duckhook said:
That's why I used the word "marginal"...IMO, anytime UT loses to Ole Miss, it should be regarded an upset. That said, I understand the point. Ole Miss will be favored at home, and I predict they will win.

Carolina's D is stout, and if Garcia is still around Columbia, they will be favored over UT in late Oct...bank on it.

To your point on Kentucky, that is exactly why it would be considered an upset.
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Tennessee will hammer South Carolina this year.
 
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#31
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Miavol said:
I posted this on another thread but I think it is probably more aappropriate here.

I just do not understand all the criticism and bashing of Coach Kiffin. What am I missing? While I personally feel coach Fulmer was an excellent coach when he took over the Tennessee program and his record of accomplishments speaks for itself. The program was obviously on the decline under his direction and Tennessee needed to make a move to stay completive with the changes being made by other SEC teams. Rich at UG, Spurrier at SC, Miles at LSU, Urban at UF and Saban at UA among others. I think it should have been obvious to anyone looking objectively at the program it was time for a change. I know some will argue coach Kiffin has not won a single game as head coach as the college level so what qualifies him to be the head coach at Tennessee. That is a hard criticism to debate. So let’s just judge him on what he has done to date as head coach at UT.

• Cleaned up the program by making the privilege of playing football difficult enough that only the young men with both the physical and mental stamina to play the game at a completive level in SEC are here. The 11 others have chosen to pursue other avenues.
• He came into the program in the last stage of the 2009 recruiting process and closed with a top 10 recruiting class. In fact he was number 5 if you look at the quality of player. How many of the other head coaching candidates do you think would have had this kind of success.
• He compiled one of the top 5 coaching / recruiting coaching staff in the country. Again how many of the other head coaching candidates would have been able to accomplish this.
• He has created a level of excitement and interest in Tennessee football which surpasses anything I have seen surrounding the university football program sense coach Majors coming off his national championship at Pit took over the team.
• He has certainly raised the bar with respect to the work ethic of everyone associated with the program.
I often like to compare football recruiting to war. The longer you wait to counter attack the enemy the more time the enemy has to build his forces to fight the next battle. With the level of completion in the SEC and the general improvement of teams around the country the longer Tennessee waited to rebuild the program the more difficult the task will be to complete

While some of you continue to remain skeptical about coach Kiffins ability I feel as far as what he has been able to accomplish thus far he gets an A on my report card. I am looking forward to next season. If coach Kiffin , staff and players can translate the quality of coaching activities they have demonstrated to date on to the playing field there are going to be a lot of unhappy fans around the SEC when its time for them to play Tennessee. Go Vols. I promise not to talk about this again until the team take the field.
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Ok....this is fair! There is a process to righting the ship. This phase is the most critical...leadership and recruiting. I think Kiffin has done well here....and this will improve recruiting for next year.

The rest is yet to be determined....primarily, how will this team respond on the field? I think they will not lack for effort, regardless of the W/L ratio.
 
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Duckhook said:
If UT has already lost to Florida, Georgia, and Bama...I'd take that bet. Schedule flow is everything. Throw in a home upset vs. UCLA or Auburn, and things could already be ugly.

BTW, here's a link from last summer on a similar refrain. I was equally skeptical of the last regime.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/47917-where-has-talent-gone.html
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South Carolina will roll into Knoxville with a bunch of losses already. If Tennessee had played them at the end of last season, they beat them. This will be Spurrier's last year and they'll be lucky to win 6 games.
 
#33
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Duckhook said:
If UT has already lost to Florida, Georgia, and Bama...I'd take that bet. Schedule flow is everything. Throw in a home upset vs. UCLA or Auburn, and things could already be ugly.

BTW, here's a link from last summer on a similar refrain. I was equally skeptical of the last regime.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/47917-where-has-talent-gone.html
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The UCLA game won't be remotely close. Auburn won't be much of a test. They both barely beat that sad sack Tennessee squad at home last year. It won't go well for either of them. If you beat me by two at home with Tommy Tuberville, I don't like your chances on the road with Gene Chizik.
 
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#34
Coach Kiffin was not my first choice as UT coach...But He has grown on me as time has gone on and I give the man a ton of credit, He has done every single thing He has said he would do so far...Great staff, Super recruiting so far and UT football is starting to get that exciting feeling about it again and every single high school recruit in the country knows who Tennessee is now....And many of them are excited about playing for such star coaches...I consider myself all in with this coach and staff, They are UT family now and I always defend my family even if they are a little strange at times...I see big and exciting things in the future for this program but as many have said, It will take time so I am not putting all my eggs in one basket for this upcoming season...It's a break in period but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if We go into the swamp and tuscalooser and give both those teams all they can handle...Don't really expect a win but you can always hope that way your not disappointed if it doesn't happen.
 
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hatvol96 said:
South Carolina will roll into Knoxville with a bunch of losses already. If Tennessee had played them at the end of last season, they beat them. This will be Spurrier's last year and they'll be lucky to win 6 games.
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Okay, hat. Predict the the losses you see in 2009, and I'll do the same...with scores.
 
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Duckhook said:
If UT has already lost to Florida, Georgia, and Bama...I'd take that bet. Schedule flow is everything. Throw in a home upset vs. UCLA or Auburn, and things could already be ugly.

BTW, here's a link from last summer on a similar refrain. I was equally skeptical of the last regime.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/47917-where-has-talent-gone.html
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Without Mike Davis, Kenny McKinley, and Jared Cook an already terrible offense is going to be even worse. The defense will also drop off without Jasper Brinkley, Emmanuel Cook and Captain Munnerlyn. They had a really good kicker leave, too.
 
#37
#37
I'm not worried about scores. Tennessee has no shot in two games: Florida and Alabama. That's two losses. I'll call Ole Miss a loss, though I'll be interested to see how the Rebs handle the hype. I can't see going from 5 wins to 9 in a season, so I'll call Georgia a loss, though my guess is my impression of that game will be different come early October.
 
#38
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VOLnMiami said:
Coach Kiffin was not my first choice as UT coach...But He has grown on me as time has gone on and I give the man a ton of credit, He has done every single thing He has said he would do so far...Great staff, Super recruiting so far and UT football is starting to get that exciting feeling about it again and every single high school recruit in the country knows who Tennessee is now....And many of them are excited about playing for such star coaches...I consider myself all in with this coach and staff, They are UT family now and I always defend my family even if they are a little strange at times...I see big and exciting things in the future for this program but as many have said, It will take time so I am not putting all my eggs in one basket for this upcoming season...It's a break in period but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if We go into the swamp and tuscalooser and give both those teams all they can handle...Don't really expect a win but you can always hope that way your not disappointed if it doesn't happen.
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For argument's sake, all the recruiting momentum won't mean jack until Kiffin starts getting some freaking OL studs rolling in. Seeing JuJuan James of ATL commit to Saban yesterday is amazing to me, knowing the level of stacked OL talent there, and the unbelievably paltry amount currently on the Hill. It will take juco guys, like hat said, to make anything work in 2010.
 
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kptvol said:
Without Mike Davis, Kenny McKinley, and Jared Cook an already terrible offense is going to be even worse. The defense will also drop off without Jasper Brinkley, Emmanuel Cook and Captain Munnerlyn. They had a really good kicker leave, too.
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I really wonder how much of South Carolina people actually watched, outside of their game against a Tennessee team that had alreadt stuck a stamp on the season. By the end of the season, they were every bit as pathetic as UT.
 
#40
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hatvol96 said:
I really wonder how much of South Carolina people actually watched, outside of their game against a Tennessee team that had alreadt stuck a stamp on the season. By the end of the season, they were every bit as pathetic as UT.
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Losing your last 3 games 118-30 isn't exactly building momentum. Also, it's not too often a team has seven guys get drafted and gets significantly better. They managed to not look terrible in about 3-4 games last season. One of those was against us and another was against Ole Miss, which makes me hesitate before any grand predictions for the Rebels of 2009.
 
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#41
So if I understand correctly, the point of the OP is that some people are happy with the direction of the program, some are not, and some (the WISE ones, we are told) are not sure yet.

You can't get insight like that just anywhere.
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#43
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This is not directed at the OP. Why do so many posters on this board have an attitude problem? It's irritating for those who want to come here to actually read about news and hear differing opinions just to see the conversation devolve into childish bickering, with post after post of "you're stupid," etc. It's not hard to see how some posters have 10,000 posts when half of them are pointless tripe.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I'm not worried about scores. Tennessee has no shot in two games: Florida and Alabama. That's two losses. I'll call Ole Miss a loss, though I'll be interested to see how the Rebs handle the hype. I can't see going from 5 wins to 9 in a season, so I'll call Georgia a loss, though my guess is my impression of that game will be different come early October.
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Florida - another blowout L. I fear by 40. Seriously.
UGA - close L.
Bama - road L by 17. Can't score on that front 7.
Carolina - upset home L to SS.
Ole Miss - L by 10 on the road.

7-5, 3-5 Music City. 2010, same song, second verse. Oregon, Fla, UGA, Bama, LSU, Ole Miss. I fear that could be the bottom, without serious OL and QB talent infusion.
 
#45
#45
I don't really see Florida beating us by 40 because our gameplan will be to shorten the game. They will probably still stomp a mudhole in us, but I think we will try to limit their possessions.
 
#46
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'Boro-vol said:
So if I understand correctly, the point of the OP is that some people are happy with the direction of the program, some are not, and some (the WISE ones, we are told) are not sure yet.

You can't get insight like that just anywhere.
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You got it. Thanks for contributing.
 
#47
#47
Duckhook said:
Florida - another blowout L. I fear by 40. Seriously.
UGA - close L.
Bama - road L by 17. Can't score on that front 7.
Carolina - upset home L to SS.
Ole Miss - L by 10 on the road.

7-5, 3-5 Music City. 2010, same song, second verse. Oregon, Fla, UGA, Bama, LSU, Ole Miss. I fear that could be the bottom, without serious OL and QB talent infusion.
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Ole Miss will be awful in 2010, Oregon is a sham. Tennessee will win at least one of the other four you list.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Ole Miss will be awful in 2010, Oregon is a sham. Tennessee will win at least one of the other four you list.
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Oh...I thought Coach O had performed a talent miracle on The Grove. Ole Miss will be solid for a few years at least. They have better talent than usual, and Nutt can coach.
 
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