Discipline and accountability

#51
#51
Screw it, CLK said it and had to say that he was sorry for saying it. Learn for your mistakes, if you think he made one I personal think that he didn't, but move on and stop talking about it. And hope that CLK will have our boys ready to play come September.
 
#52
#52
Screw Florida and Bama, they have been ripping us for years and the little boy scout regime we had just laid there and took it. Spurrier ripped us for years when he was at Florida, but some fans on here took the position of " we have class" and thought the high road was best while the whole time we were getting our arse handed to us on the field.

General Neyland sure did not hold things back but some will say that was a different era. The only difference was most on here was not around and have no memory of such. I recall many barbs much worse then what CLK did when the Bear was alive at UT.

The CLK ordeal reminds me when the late great Dale Ernhart was dominating and intimidated alot of drivers when he would pull up on their bumbers. Jeff Gordon came along and took it to Dale, what did Dale do...called him wonder boy, accused him of cheating etc, etc.. sound familiar? Meyer, Saban and Spurrier make a living by getting in an opponents head and intimidating them. Perfect example is the past regime and his record against those coaches.

When Kiffin and O was at USC the Trojans would get in peoples face and talk smack and the coaches did as well. Get use to the fact that our new coaching staff is not out to win people over by being nice. Their job is to rebuild our program and strike fear in our opponents. The best way to do that is to punch the intimidators of the SEC in the mouth and send the message that the days of being passive are over.

If this type behavior is upsetting to you I would advise finding another team or change your ways. It is refreshing to see a coach with cajones and puts the monsters of the SEC on blast and lets them know we are ready for the fight.
 
#53
#53
hatvol96 said:
Fulmerite trash talking about "discipline and accountability" is akin to Bill Clinton giving a lecture on "fidelity and forthrightness." Do everyone a favor and just wait for the marble mouthed, charisma free dolt you and the rest of the orange overall wearing crowd love gets a job at UTEP or whatever college football bottom feeder he and the rest of the Skoal Patrol land at. Then, you'll have a fan base where you're welcome.
Click to expand...

:clap: Well played sir
 
#55
#55
FLSTF-VOL said:
We want to hold our student athletes to a higher standard but are willing to allow our Head Coach to do the very thing that we wanted stopped. He is supposed to set the example, not be the example.

General Neyland is rolling over in his grave right now. He didn't do it that way, Coach Dickey didn't do it that way, Coach Battle didn't do it that way, Coach Majors didn't do it that way and neither did Coach Fulmer.
Click to expand...

So Fulmer was upholding all this by allowing players to get multiple DUI's, with only suspension? Or to fail multiple drug tests before they got dimissed. Or to allow a big-headed jacka$$ to destroy a team, aka Washington. If you think any of this will happen with Kiffin, your sorely mistaken. He might talk a some smack off the field, but it's only to bring some fire back into the fanbase and players, since Fulmer smoldered it in 2001. Have we had any players in trouble yet this year? I know it's early but I'm almost positive we had a few players in the negative spotlight last year at this time. What would you rather have thug players, or a coach that likes to talk a little smack?
 
#56
#56
FLSTF-VOL said:
You know I would agree with you if it weren't for all the posters here (not in this thread) trying to convince us that he knew what he was doing and did it on purpose.

Does that sound right to you? I mean come on, if you want to get under CUM's skin fine but don't accuse the man of cheating. I mean he basically questioned CUM's integrity or lack there of. I think any one with a small amount of pride would be pissed about that.
Click to expand...

OK let me try to explain this to you, I'll type sloooowwwlllly,
Lane was firing up the crowd and having some fun and blowing off some steam at a private booster party. It was recorded and released. He did not stand up behind an official UT podium in a press release or even a press interview and formally accuse CUM for cheating. What he really exposed was how cheesy and classless CUM and Foley and Slive all are. He scored a hat trick on his first big outing. He's put UT in the sports news for over 24 hours now. Heck a lot of organizations would pay huge $$$ for publicity like that. I say good work young man!!!
 
#58
#58
GmanTN said:
Screw Florida and Bama, they have been ripping us for years and the little boy scout regime we had just laid there and took it. Spurrier ripped us for years when he was at Florida, but some fans on here took the position of " we have class" and thought the high road was best while the whole time we were getting our arse handed to us on the field.

General Neyland sure did not hold things back but some will say that was a different era. The only difference was most on here was not around and have no memory of such. I recall many barbs much worse then what CLK did when the Bear was alive at UT.

The CLK ordeal reminds me when the late great Dale Ernhart was dominating and intimidated alot of drivers when he would pull up on their bumbers. Jeff Gordon came along and took it to Dale, what did Dale do...called him wonder boy, accused him of cheating etc, etc.. sound familiar? Meyer, Saban and Spurrier make a living by getting in an opponents head and intimidating them. Perfect example is the past regime and his record against those coaches.

When Kiffin and O was at USC the Trojans would get in peoples face and talk smack and the coaches did as well. Get use to the fact that our new coaching staff is not out to win people over by being nice. Their job is to rebuild our program and strike fear in our opponents. The best way to do that is to punch the intimidators of the SEC in the mouth and send the message that the days of being passive are over.

If this type behavior is upsetting to you I would advise finding another team or change your ways. It is refreshing to see a coach with cajones and puts the monsters of the SEC on blast and lets them know we are ready for the fight.
Click to expand...

You are as close to being ignorant as they possibly come. Notice I said close. Ignorant people would be offended if you were included in the same category as they and I surely do not want to offend ignorant people.
 
#59
#59
VolinDawgland said:
OK let me try to explain this to you, I'll type sloooowwwlllly,
Lane was firing up the crowd and having some fun and blowing off some steam at a private booster party. It was recorded and released. He did not stand up behind an official UT podium in a press release or even a press interview and formally accuse CUM for cheating. What he really exposed was how cheesy and classless CUM and Foley and Slive all are. He scored a hat trick on his first big outing. He's put UT in the sports news for over 24 hours now. Heck a lot of organizations would pay huge $$$ for publicity like that. I say good work young man!!!
Click to expand...

Ever heard of a paragraph? Maybe if you would go a little slower you might figure that one out.
 
#60
#60
FLSTF-VOL said:
You are as close to being ignorant as they possibly come. Notice I said close. Ignorant people would be offended if you were included in the same category as they and I surely do not want to offend ignorant people.
Click to expand...

Your the biggest Fulmerite I have seen on here. You can deny it all you want but I have witnessed to many times you coming to the defense of your hero. In case you have not noticed Einstein the majority of the people here have disagreed with your self righteous, arrogant embecile self. I would be willing to bet that if Fulmer was still here and he took a swing at Meyer you would be the first to be pumped up about it.
 
#61
#61
GmanTN said:
Your the biggest Fulmerite I have seen on here. You can deny it all you want but I have witnessed to many times you coming to the defense of your hero. In case you have not noticed Einstein the majority of the people here have disagreed with your self righteous, arrogant embecile self. I would be willing to bet that if Fulmer was still here and he took a swing at Meyer you would be the first to be pumped up about it.
Click to expand...

Look the only reason you continue to bash Fulmer is because you can't form a single educated response to anything. You use Fulmer as a distraction because you have no clue what your talking about most of the time.

Most just ignore you, I poke at you because you have this almost manic dis like for Fulmer and it drives you crazy.

I've been places and seen things that would make a billy goat puke, so you calling me a self righteous arrogant imbecile is really a waste of your time.
 
#62
#62
we can all excuse kiffin for not fully understanding the rules.

I think what is more important he pointed out the fact that a rival head coach was infringing on a time when Tennessee was putting their best foot forward and trying to make an impression on the recruit. Meyer had all year to stick this kids commitment. The fact that Meyer felt him slipping away and called him while he was on visit is pretty f'ed up. Of course, I shouldn't be so thin skinned when its an all out war in SEC recruiting.
 
#63
#63
texas_vol said:
we can all excuse kiffin for not fully understanding the rules.

I think what is more important he pointed out the fact that a rival head coach was infringing on a time when Tennessee was putting their best foot forward and trying to make an impression on the recruit. Meyer had all year to stick this kids commitment. The fact that Meyer felt him slipping away and called him while he was on visit is pretty f'ed up. Of course, I shouldn't be so thin skinned when its an all out war in SEC recruiting.
Click to expand...

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Kiffin pissing these guys off. CUM was like the jealous kid calling his girlfriend every fifteen minutes because he was afraid she was getting the business. I just don't think he has to lie to do it.

What he did was just so far out there, I mean dam he coulda been a little more creative and came up with something that wouldn't make him look like he didn't know what he was talking about.
 
#64
#64
FLSTF-VOL said:
Look the only reason you continue to bash Fulmer is because you can't form a single educated response to anything. You use Fulmer as a distraction because you have no clue what your talking about most of the time.

Most just ignore you, I poke at you because you have this almost manic dis like for Fulmer and it drives you crazy.

I've been places and seen things that would make a billy goat puke, so you calling me a self righteous arrogant imbecile is really a waste of your time.
Click to expand...

You know I could sit here and exchange barbs with you all night but thats just not productive for me. I know your hot buttons but it gets really old. I too have been places, seen things and have done things that alot of men would either not do or would run from. No need to talk smack online, anyone can pretend to be tuff behind a monitor. I know what I have done and the regrets I have to live with now from them. Enjoy your debate but I am done with this one for the night.
 
Last edited:
#65
#65
FLSTF-VOL said:
Thats what most fans said they wanted. On this very forum I read things like, "This team lacks discipline", "This team has no accountability". You all loved the fact that Kiffin was gonna bring back the discipline and hold the players accountable for their actions.

Yet you all applaud our Head Coach for going in front of our boosters and the media and claiming that one of the most respected coaches in college football committed a recruiting violation and cheated, knowing full well that it was false. Ethics 101. Please some one explain to me in a rational way, why and how that can be acceptable regardless of whether it was supposed to be tongue and cheek?

We want to hold our student athletes to a higher standard but are willing to allow our Head Coach to do the very thing that we wanted stopped. He is supposed to set the example, not be the example.

General Neyland is rolling over in his grave right now. He didn't do it that way, Coach Dickey didn't do it that way, Coach Battle didn't do it that way, Coach Majors didn't do it that way and neither did Coach Fulmer.

This University has always prided itself on the fact that we did things with integrity and respect. Its part of our tradition.

I'm not suggesting that we throw Coach Kiffin under the bus but we sure as hell shouldn't be glorifying what he did.
Click to expand...

Scary, I JUST talked to my buddy who's a UGA fan and he made the same points. He said he didn't like our staff because they weren't traditional TN coaches and mentioned General Neyland and grave-rolling...:crazy:
 
#66
#66
FLSTF-VOL said:
Has nothing to do with Fulmer. Fulmer wasn't on that stage.

It was time for Fulmer to go. I've said that several times.
Click to expand...

don't bother. the kiffin band wagon has two rebuttals to anyone who has said anything along the lines of your original post:

1. you're a fulmerite (no amount of telling them you wanted fulmer gone will convince them otherwise)

OR

2. you're stupid.

if your logic is particularly sound, as yours appears to be, you'll probably get both. for them, logic and rationality are not applicable to this situation. they are happy with the double standard. to convince them otherwise is an excercise in futility.


good post, by the way.
 
#67
#67
FLSTF-VOL said:
You know I would agree with you if it weren't for all the posters here (not in this thread) trying to convince us that he knew what he was doing and did it on purpose.

Does that sound right to you? I mean come on, if you want to get under CUM's skin fine but don't accuse the man of cheating. I mean he basically questioned CUM's integrity or lack there of. I think any one with a small amount of pride would be pissed about that.
Click to expand...

I think if it was a deliberate effort to get a rise out of rival coaches, it would not have been done in such a way that makes our coach look like a baffling idiot. For example, Spurrier talks plenty of smack and gets a reaction to it without citing rules that don't exist.
 
#69
#69
honestly, what does all this comparing what Kiffin does vs what Fulmer would do? All this does is cause division among the base. Let's get behind the new regime and move forward. Go Vols!
 
#70
#70
ksushalovesthevols said:
don't bother. the kiffin band wagon has two rebuttals to anyone who has said anything along the lines of your original post:

1. you're a fulmerite (no amount of telling them you wanted fulmer gone will convince them otherwise)

OR

2. you're stupid.

if your logic is particularly sound, as yours appears to be, you'll probably get both. for them, logic and rationality are not applicable to this situation. they are happy with the double standard. to convince them otherwise is an excercise in futility.


good post, by the way.
Click to expand...

Hey you must be a Fulmerite and you're stupid :dance2:
 
#71
#71
ksushalovesthevols said:
I think if it was a deliberate effort to get a rise out of rival coaches, it would not have been done in such a way that makes our coach look like a baffling idiot. For example, Spurrier talks plenty of smack and gets a reaction to it without citing rules that don't exist.
Click to expand...

Wrong. Stop speaking on this subject.
 
#73
#73
FLSTF-VOL said:
What does love have to do with this?

Situational ethics, or situation ethics, is a Christian ethical theory that was principally developed in the 1960s by the Episcopal priest Joseph Fletcher. It basically states that sometimes other moral principles can be cast aside in certain situations if love is best served; as Paul Tillich once put it: "Love is the ultimate law".
Click to expand...

And a coach who'd "love" to have a top recruit will do what he deems necessary to land the kid (to a point).
 
#74
#74
ksushalovesthevols said:
2. you're stupid.

if your logic is particularly sound, as yours appears to be, you'll probably get both. for them, logic and rationality are not applicable to this situation. they are happy with the double standard. to convince them otherwise is an excercise in futility.
Click to expand...

Show me a post where you've applied logic. Thus far I've seen you imply Kiffin is stupid because you think he came across stupid when he made an accusation (an accusation very similar to things Spurrier has said many times throught his career). You then procede to say Kiffin should do things the way Spurrier does. This came across very as a very stupid thing to say. I now must assume you are a "baffling idiot". If necessary, I'll quote a bunch of anonymously posted internet messages that support my claim.
 
#75
#75
Thanks for the entertainment guys. CLK may have spoken before he thought, but at least he's not scared!!!
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement



Back
Top