Digging Deeper; Dobbs not doing as bad as it seems

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The Artful Dodger

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I think that we could all agree that Dobbs, Debord, the o-line, and the rest of the offense hasn't had the type of season they had hoped for so far. Dobbs will never consistently hit 300 yards, per game, through the air but he usually makes up for those yards on the ground. And if you compare his total TD's to the other top QB's in college football, then maybe we should be giving Josh a little more credit:

Total TD’s
Dobbs 9
Mayfield 7
Rosen 5
Watson 7
Barrett 13
Kaaya 7
Russell 10

In the SEC: Kelly-10, Hurts-6, Lock-9, Allen-8, Knight-8 and the almighty Eason has 5 total touchdowns (…and one less passing TD (5) than Dobbs has(6).


If this is Dobbs at his worst than nobody on our schedule wants to see him at his best.
 
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I think completion percentage and decision making are more troubling than the TDs, but interesting perspective nonetheless.
 
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Hopefully he'll increase those touchdown numbers Saturday.
 
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He just looks bad when he misses "easy" throws.

It seems like every bad throw costs a 1st down or even a TD. It's probably not the case, but it feels that way.

There's no doubt in my mind that he'll win us a game with his arm this year. Hopefully, it's this week!
 
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General Jack said:
I think completion percentage and decision making are more troubling than the TDs, but interesting perspective nonetheless.
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This. I like Dobbs, but there have been too many "freshman mistakes" made already this early into the season. There have been several times he has thrown into heavy coverage when he should have either kept it or thrown it away. Other times he will tuck it and take the sack when he should have thrown it way to preserve field position. This is the frustrating part, not overthrowing open receivers, that can happen to anybody at times. There have been several offensive possession that could have ended with points that didn't because of turnovers or loss of field position. This is what I want to see Dobbs improve upon on Saturday.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
I think that we could all agree that Dobbs, Debord, the o-line, and the rest of the offense hasn't had the type of season they had hoped for so far. Dobbs will never consistently hit 300 yards, per game, through the air but he usually makes up for those yards on the ground. And if you compare his total TD's to the other top QB's in college football, then maybe we should be giving Josh a little more credit:

Total TD’s
Dobbs 9
Mayfield 7
Rosen 5
Watson 7
Barrett 13
Kaaya 7
Russell 10

In the SEC: Hurts-6, Lock-9, Allen-8, Knight-8 and the almighty Eason has 5 total touchdowns (…and one less passing TD (5) than Dobbs has(6).


If this is Dobbs at his worst than nobody on our schedule wants to see him at his best.
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You forgot Chad Kelly....he has 10 tds
 
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General Jack said:
I think completion percentage and decision making are more troubling than the TDs, but interesting perspective nonetheless.
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Definitely agree that those areas have to improve as well. I was just trying to point out that Dobbs does pretty well in the two most important categories: TD's and Wins.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
He just looks bad when he misses "easy" throws.

It seems like every bad throw costs a 1st down or even a TD. It's probably not the case, but it feels that way.

There's no doubt in my mind that he'll win us a game with his arm this year. Hopefully, it's this week!
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That actually might be the case, but how many extra opportunities does he give us with his elusiveness and creativeness with the football in his hand?
 
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Rocky_Top_Vol13 said:
This. I like Dobbs, but there have been too many "freshman mistakes" made already this early into the season. There have been several times he has thrown into heavy coverage when he should have either kept it or thrown it away. Other times he will tuck it and take the sack when he should have thrown it way to preserve field position. This is the frustrating part, not overthrowing open receivers, that can happen to anybody at times. There have been several offensive possession that could have ended with points that didn't because of turnovers or loss of field position. This is what I want to see Dobbs improve upon on Saturday.
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Agree on most of your points, but when was there a time that Dobbs was far enough outside of the pocket where he wouldn't get IG, and he still didn't throw it away? Unless I'm forgetting something, I don't remember a time when he was sacked while outside of the pocket, when he could have thrown it away. It seems that almost all of the sacks this year have been because of D-Lineman immediately penetrating the backfield and getting to Dobbs before he even has a chance to escape. Also, I am not denying that there are MULTIPLE areas that Dobbs can improve as a QB, but he is not near as bad as some of the media, or even some of our fans, make him out to be. He creates opportunities with his elusiveness and athleticism that very few QB's can create, which make up for SOME of the bad plays that he occasionally makes.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
I think that we could all agree that Dobbs, Debord, the o-line, and the rest of the offense hasn't had the type of season they had hoped for so far. Dobbs will never consistently hit 300 yards, per game, through the air but he usually makes up for those yards on the ground. And if you compare his total TD's to the other top QB's in college football, then maybe we should be giving Josh a little more credit:

Total TD’s
Dobbs 9
Mayfield 7
Rosen 5
Watson 7
Barrett 13
Kaaya 7
Russell 10

In the SEC: Kelly-10, Hurts-6, Lock-9, Allen-8, Knight-8 and the almighty Eason has 5 total touchdowns (…and one less passing TD (5) than Dobbs has(6).


If this is Dobbs at his worst than nobody on our schedule wants to see him at his best.
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But we've only played against FCS teams to this point so those 9 TDs are irrelevant
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
Agree on most of your points, but when was there a time that Dobbs was far enough outside of the pocket where he wouldn't get IG, and he still didn't throw it away? Unless I'm forgetting something, I don't remember a time when he was sacked while outside of the pocket, when he could have thrown it away. It seems that almost all of the sacks this year have been because of D-Lineman immediately penetrating the backfield and getting to Dobbs before he even has a chance to escape. Also, I am not denying that there are MULTIPLE areas that Dobbs can improve as a QB, but he is not near as bad as some of the media, or even some of our fans, make him out to be. He creates opportunities with his elusiveness and athleticism that very few QB's can create, which make up for SOME of the bad plays that he occasionally makes.
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In the Ohio game we were in field goal range and he took about a nine yard sack on third down. We ended up punting the ball away. If he had thrown the ball in about the sixth row of seats past the first down marker, I doubt it would have been intentional grounding.
 
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Dobbs is our man, like it or not people. Op are you related to D4H? He would have liked this thread.
 
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Fact is, on downfield passes, 1) it is taking too long for the plays to develop; and 2) Dobbs seems slow to make his decision and his marskmanship is about a B-.

The former is a function of coaching. It can be fixed, but I'm not sure your current staff is pushing it. They certainly don't seem to be. The latter is a reality you cannot fix, it is just a limitation you have to work around.
 
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OP,

For me, the anxiety comes as we enter into SEC play the number of "quick" 3 and outs. All 3 and outs are quick but when you're in the HUNH you can be off the field without 1 minute of clock time being used.


The competition is about to ramp up significantly and UT can't afford to have Dobbs miss easy throws that could extend drives.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
I think that we could all agree that Dobbs, Debord, the o-line, and the rest of the offense hasn't had the type of season they had hoped for so far. Dobbs will never consistently hit 300 yards, per game, through the air but he usually makes up for those yards on the ground. And if you compare his total TD's to the other top QB's in college football, then maybe we should be giving Josh a little more credit:

Total TD’s
Dobbs 9
Mayfield 7
Rosen 5
Watson 7
Barrett 13
Kaaya 7
Russell 10

In the SEC: Kelly-10, Hurts-6, Lock-9, Allen-8, Knight-8 and the almighty Eason has 5 total touchdowns (…and one less passing TD (5) than Dobbs has(6).


If this is Dobbs at his worst than nobody on our schedule wants to see him at his best.
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You do know that Eason is 1) a true freshman, and 2) has been splitting time, at best, with Lambert until the Mizzou game, right?
 
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Can't get hyped up with Dobbs touchdowns when we are three games into the season, and the number 3 is also the number of combined touchdowns from our all star backfield of Hurd and Kamara. Hurd 1 rushing touchdown, Hurd 1 fumble recovered touchdown, and Kamara 1 receiving touchdown.:eek:
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fact is, on downfield passes, 1) it is taking too long for the plays to develop; and 2) Dobbs seems slow to make his decision and his marskmanship is about a B-.

The former is a function of coaching. It can be fixed, but I'm not sure your current staff is pushing it. They certainly don't seem to be. The latter is a reality you cannot fix, it is just a limitation you have to work around.
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Very true.
 
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Rocky_Top_Vol13 said:
In the Ohio game we were in field goal range and he took about a nine yard sack on third down. We ended up punting the ball away. If he had thrown the ball in about the sixth row of seats past the first down marker, I doubt it would have been intentional grounding.
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Good call. I forgot about that one. But the O-line has to do better. I still think they are as much to blame for the offensive woes, as anything Dobbs has or hasn't done. Hopefully having Hall and Jones back on the right side will solidify that group, like it did last year.
 
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Mr. Lofton said:
Dobbs is our man, like it or not people. Op are you related to D4H? He would have liked this thread.
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Certainly not related to D4H, and from what I have heard lately, he has fallen out of love with his former idol.

I picture Dobbs and D4H's relationship to be similar to Captain Insano and Bobby Boucher.
 
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