Didn't a lot of you...

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sjt18 said:
I have factually argued and challenged you repeatedly to prove your point. You whine or get angry and then disappear. You want to go back and rehash now meaningless plays from the UF, ISU, UMass, or GT game? We can. You're still wrong and the proof is still on video.

Dormady played horribly this past week. He played like Crompton in 08 or worse... like Peterman in the Swamp a few years back... like he was afraid of his own shadow.... like he was shortarming throws afraid of making a mistake. He's broken and you can see it. I have never seen anyone recover from where he appears to be without a coaching change or a change of teams.




You can go back throughout Jones' tenure and see specific, fact based skepticism of Jones' ability in my posts. Yeah... 4 years or so... is an "I told you so" moment.
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How am I wrong? I have said he stares wrs down and forces throws. I said he overthrows a lot of guys. I said good teams would pick his passes off.

I was right again. He played just like he has the whole year. UGA just capitalized better. MC didn't make miracle plays and bail him out to look better. Dormady did the exact same things he does every time he plays. He just gets away with it somewhat versus bad teams.


I haven't been huge on Jones either but I gave him a chance. But speaking of that I think many people find your positions on Jones laughable due to your strong support of Dooley. You seemed to never give him a chance because you were hurt over losing your guy Dooley.
 
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99gator said:
Because there is a general agreement now that, forget the record, bad football will not be tolerated.

I don't think they will, but this team can win out except Alabama.

But, what does beating Missouri mean? Vandy? Kentucky?

For all of the talk about how brutal Tennessee's schedule supposedly is, there may only be 2 or 3 ranked teams on it by season's end and one of them is Florida (who no one believes is any good)
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Ya'll aren't good bud. Not even close. Edit: Congradulations for not losing to Tennessee, Kentucky, and now Vanderbilt BARELY
 
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We could have a 3-2 team that looked like a top 10 team that had some bad breaks.

Or we could have a 3-2 team that looks like it might struggle to get to 6 wins this season.

Right now, we're more in the latter category than the former. That's why Butch isn't going to survive. If Butch were 3-2, but looked like he had a legit shot to finish 9-3 and make a major bowl game, I doubt he'd get fired. No one expects us to win the SEC this year anyway; it's 2018 that we should have a shot. Watching this team, though, I think we'd be pretty lucky to win 1 out of 3 between South Carolina, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt. The offense is a complete trainwreck right now on the scale of Sunseri's 2012 defense.
 
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k-town_king said:
How am I wrong? I have said he stares wrs down and forces throws. I said he overthrows a lot of guys. I said good teams would pick his passes off.

I was right again. He played just like he has the whole year. UGA just capitalized better. MC didn't make miracle plays and bail him out to look better. Dormady did the exact same things he does every time he plays. He just gets away with it somewhat versus bad teams.


I haven't been huge on Jones either but I gave him a chance. But speaking of that I think many people find your positions on Jones laughable due to your strong support of Dooley. You seemed to never give him a chance because you were hurt over losing your guy Dooley.
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I would take crompdaddy at his very worst under center over Dormady
 
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bUTchslapt said:
Ya'll aren't good bud. Not even close. Edit: Congradulations for not losing to Tennessee, Kentucky, and now Vanderbilt BARELY
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I have been making that argument for a long time.

I have been (even though he can't stand me) backing up sjt18's argument for a long time.

People have goals like winning 10 games. Well, what if you play 10 games against teams that aren't good. What if you win those games in the manner that Tennessee did against Georgia Tech or UMass?

Another goal was the SEC East. I used Florida as an example over and over again that you (in recent years) can win the East and still be playing dog **** football.

The goal is to play good football. The goal is to play good football consistently.

The goal is not to fall *** backwards into wins against teams that shouldn't belong on the same field as you.

Tennessee fandom may be tested on this yet. I don't think it will happen because I don't trust Tennessee to be consistent, but they can win out except for Alabama.

They would be 9-3 going into a bowl and people will argue that it was a good season.

And I guarantee if they do go 9-3, they will have been fortunate to have won a couple that they did.
 
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sjt18 said:
Seems a sore spot was touched...

No worship necessary. What you are doing is good enough.
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Ignorance again.

Let me ask you a question or two...

Do you know what my opinion of Butch is and has been for 4 years? Should be easy to answer, it hasn't changed. And do you know where I stood and now stand on his position as HC right now?

Take your time, I won't be back for an hour.
 
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bUTchslapt said:
I would take crompdaddy at his very worst under center over Dormady
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Yeah, we were advertised a less mobile but more accurate QB than Dobbs with Dormady. What we have is a less mobile and less accurate QB.

Also, smh with both Dormady and Guarrantano sitting in the pocket too long. I've seen them both take sacks because of not moving up into the pocket.
 
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sjt18 said:
... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
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Even if we ignore the play and just look at the record, why couldn't I predict 8-4 and be upset about actually going 8-4? It's not like 8-4 is good.
 
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99gator said:
I have been making that argument for a long time.

I have been (even though he can't stand me) backing up sjt18's argument for a long time.

People have goals like winning 10 games. Well, what if you play 10 games against teams that aren't good. What if you win those games in the manner that Tennessee did against Georgia Tech or UMass?

Another goal was the SEC East. I used Florida as an example over and over again that you (in recent years) can win the East and still be playing dog **** football.

The goal is to play good football. The goal is to play good football consistently.

The goal is not to fall *** backwards into wins against teams that shouldn't belong on the same field as you.

Tennessee fandom may be tested on this yet. I don't think it will happen because I don't trust Tennessee to be consistent, but they can win out except for Alabama.

They would be 9-3 going into a bowl and people will argue that it was a good season.

And I guarantee if they do go 9-3, they will have been fortunate to have won a couple that they did.
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I had to scrap this whole post lol. It took me a second to catch up to where you were going with Tennessee. Honestly buddy I just expect us to play up to or down to our competition week in and week out because that seems to be the norm for Tennessee football. Florida just wins. Always has. Even with lesser talent, which isn't to say your team still isn't somewhat talented. I apologize for jumping on Florida.
 
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I expected 8-4 but I never said I'd be okay with it.
 
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Madscientistvol said:
Yeah, we were advertised a less mobile but more accurate QB than Dobbs with Dormady. What we have is a less mobile and less accurate QB.

Also, smh with both Dormady and Guarrantano sitting in the pocket too long. I've seen them both take sacks because of not moving up into the pocket.
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It's insane. Under coached apparently. It's not even physical, it's a mental thing. Dormady has the look of a great pocket passer. I've said it in almost every one of my posts. I like Butch. I have always wanted him to succeed here. Best of luck to him in all of his future endeavors but what in the world has been going on up there man. If it's not throwing 5 times in a row on the goal line it's these mental blocks with every single player we've ever had under Jones.
 
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bUTchslapt said:
Of course we would be fortunate, but I commented on Florida not being a good team, despite being undefeated. Yeah, you guys are so lucky it's crazy, but everything you said just went like way over my head. I don't want to win and lose games in the dramatic fashion that we have for the last however many years. I literally can't stop drinking. Florida may be ranked by season's end but how many games have you played against dominant teams in the west such as Alabama year in and year out? It's a handicap and a big joke that we have to put up with this product on the field. Yes we are more talented than Florida. Are we better at winning than Florida? Hell no and haven't been even in our prime from the 90's, which I was too young to remember by the way. ****'s gotta change.
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Florida, at this point, is not a good team. I've said that. They were just used as an example because even though they are winning that is not the kind of football I assume you would like to see displayed.

As far as the Alabama thing goes, y'all have got to get over that. I can't say it any other way.

This is yet another season where Tennessee's inability to win the East or have the kind of season Tennessee fans would like to see has nothing to do with Alabama being on the schedule.

Edit: Played Alabama in 2010, 2011, and 2014. Played SEC Champ LSU in 2011 in addition to Alabama. Played Texas A&M who beat Alabama in 2012. Played Ole Miss who beat Alabama in 2015. Played Alabama in 2015 and 2016 in SEC title game.
 
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99gator said:
Florida, at this point, is not a good team. I've said that. They were just used as an example because even though they are winning that is not the kind of football I assume you would like to see displayed.

As far as the Alabama thing goes, y'all have got to get over that. I can't say it any other way.

This is yet another season where Tennessee's inability to win the East or have the kind of season Tennessee fans would like to see has nothing to do with Alabama being on the schedule.

Edit: Played Alabama in 2010, 2011, and 2014. Played SEC Champ LSU in 2011 in addition to Alabama. Played Texas A&M who beat Alabama in 2012. Played Ole Miss who beat Alabama in 2015.
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as good as UGA looks I just have this unshakeable hunch that they are going to crap the bed as usual against Florida. Giving our shark loving nemesis his 3rd sec east crown in as many seasons. Would anybody really be surprised?
 
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99gator said:
Florida, at this point, is not a good team. I've said that. They were just used as an example because even though they are winning that is not the kind of football I assume you would like to see displayed.

As far as the Alabama thing goes, y'all have got to get over that. I can't say it any other way.

This is yet another season where Tennessee's inability to win the East or have the kind of season Tennessee fans would like to see has nothing to do with Alabama being on the schedule.

Edit: Played Alabama in 2010, 2011, and 2014. Played SEC Champ LSU in 2011 in addition to Alabama. Played Texas A&M who beat Alabama in 2012. Played Ole Miss who beat Alabama in 2015. Played Alabama in 2015 and 2016 in SEC title game.
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Last year was like a dream compared to what we expect to see you are right. Until the South Carolina game anyway. And you're right about the Bama thing too. We've lost to you guys way too much over the last 15 years so early on in the season, but it's football. If you can find a way to win does it matter how you play on a weekly basis? I think all Florida fans such as yourself would say that it absolutely matters but a win is still a win. I regret that post. I should've calmed down before I hit the post button. Florida triggers me. It's bad lol.....sorry
 
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99gator said:
Florida, at this point, is not a good team. I've said that. They were just used as an example because even though they are winning that is not the kind of football I assume you would like to see displayed.
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I watched 95% of the Fla--Vandy game Saturday.....

I think your offense was beginning to turn a corner with Del Rio in the game....was sad (for him) that he got hurt....you guys miss Callaway fo sho....he and 89 would be a lethal pair of deep threats....

You need a stud RB...is 24 the answer? I don't think so....How does Fla NOT have a stud RB?

I think your D has some true athleticism...

Honestly--I think the Gators are improving a little bit more each week...and do hope you guys beat UGA!
 
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sjt18 said:
... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
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It's a pipe dream to expect we only lose those 4 games.
 
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sjt18 said:
... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
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Butch???
 
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sjt18 said:
Many jumped off after UF. More jumped off after UMass.

I think people are pretty much resigned to it now... but the win/loss record is exactly where they expected it to be.
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It's not always about wins and losses.

This team hasn't passed the eye test since the 2nd half of last year's Florida game.

Fans that know football aren't going to be happy with what we've been watching.

8-4 in 1994 looked a lot different than what we're seeing this year.
 
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sjt18 said:
... basically expect what's happening and say it was OK before the season started?

I seem to remember many here predicting 8-4 with losses to UGA, Bama, UF, and LSU... so why the change of heart now? Many of us rejected that year 5 performance all along. I think we kind of knew that for some seeing it would be a lot more difficult than typing it on a page.
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Easier to separate the 'what happens' from the 'how it happens' before it happens.

Then you see it.

Then the ' how' matters.

As for me... Guilty. I predicted 7-5. Feels right still. But I also figured that would get butch to 2018.

Now seeing the 'how', can't see that happening.
 
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point being we are right on point with expectations. yeah we could've and should've beat florida.....but dormady for one is who he is and maybe we'd be 4-1/ 5-0 if JG was the starter from day 1
 
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