Did You See Nebraska?

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lifeisdeep said:
You referred to Nebraska as trash, in a conversation clearly all about whether they did a better job of hiring a coach than we did. They hired a proven coach, and they're 3-2; we hired a coach with no HC experience, and we're 1-3.

It's more than a little disingenuous to pretend as though the discussion about Nebraska is about anything other than whether the hire of Scott Frost was a better or worse hire than Pruitt. So far it was demonstrably better.
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My point is this. Just because you hire a proven winning HC doesnt mean you see instant success. Frost and Kelly are 2 examples. But continue the Pruitt hate if it makes you feel better.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
My point is this. Just because you hire a proven winning HC doesnt mean you see instant success. Frost and Kelly are 2 examples. But continue the Pruitt hate if it makes you feel better.
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I think you and I define success differently. Perhaps we could conduct an objective poll of non-football fans, and ask them whether a coach who has a record of 3-2 in his second season could rightly be considered as having more success than a coach who has a record of 1-3?
 
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thegasman54 said:
Said the same thing before we played them. And the old transference property doesn’t work , never has never will. Purdue beat Ohio st by 4 TDs last year AND lost to eastern Michigan ... please explain
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The explanation is simple, in the game of football, which team is better, is settled on the field, not by some delusional crack head saying idiotic things such as, "we lost, yea sure, but we are more talented than they are, etc." When two teams do not play one another, your are dealing with only opinion on which team is better, historically experts have looked at COMMON opponents to help draw their opinion. Hope this helps. BTW, how teams played common opponents (along with many other factors, injury lists etc.) go into setting the gaming lines, these guys make money; therefore, they are right more often than not. In short they are putting their money up, not just chin music.
 
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I will tell you what I did see about Nebraska! The stadium was still pretty full late in the 3rd Qtr and they was getting pounded.
 
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ALLVOL 4LIFE said:
I will tell you what I did see about Nebraska! The stadium was still pretty full late in the 3rd Qtr and they was getting pounded.
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We have far too many "leave early, we're getting the crap kicked out of us" fans, this isn't showing that all important love for the team, you know the "We've got your back" attitude, the one so often expressed on this very board. There are many posters on VolNation, that actually believe 40,000-50,000 GA fans are going to try to checker Neyland this weekend (delusional to be sure), they are really serious about having nothing but the mandatory visitor section, checkered with white and orange, to show how much we have the team's back, none of these fans would leave early-they are the real deal. They need to scream and belittle those leaving early, yes sir, that'll do it.
 
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At this point Ut is all about passion. Even if Fulmer wasn’t perfect , he loved Ut. We need an enigmatic person who bleeds orange to coach and recruit for us. Easy to say but hard to hire with all the money involved. Football is still about people who care. Frost cares about Nebraska. Hopefully Pruitt cares about ut
 
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GTBATV said:
The bad thing for Nebraska is that Scott Frost is almost like their Peyton Manning. So if he doesn't eventually turn things around, they are going to have to fire their prodigal son.
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The best reason I've heard that PM would not step foot in here to coach. He's seems way too smart for that.
 
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I think parity and profit sharing is making it harder for traditional older programs that could recruit nationally to stay on top. It has hurt us, Michigan, Nebraska, etc. The good news for us is our state is growing and for the past 5 years has been in the top 10 of blue chip recruit producing states. Granted, the players are leaving the state for now but you would have to assume at some point we right the ship and get them here in Knoxville. The State of Nebraska on the other hand is struggling to produce talent and it's population is decreasing. That is a bad recipe for success.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
against who????

Florida Atlantic, Cincy, Indiana, Miami (OH), and a very weak Nebraska????

Yeah.....they've had a really tough time of it so far.....
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What's funny is they have decided that they are world beaters now and are ready to accept the national championship trophy now. "Best team ever". I have normally not visited other teams fan sites but it is actually pretty entertaining.
 
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fact is there were some that viewed the OSU game as a sort of measuring stick to see what progress has been made....the answer they got was "not much".

Nebraska has a mjor plus in it's favor, and that's the division they play in. this is an up year for the big10, but in general, that division isn't very good, so the upward mobility in the division should be easier than having to go thru GA and FL for us.

the big disadvantage is the recruiting. but even in saying that, they just approved like a $160M project for their facilities....in an effort to close the gap there.

i think it's pretty clear TN and nebraska both have a long ways to go....i think Nebraska's road back to being relevant in their division is a little shorter than ours, cause they'll ultimately be able to close gaps within the division faster than we will, roster wise.
 
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AZorange said:
Yikes! They got dismantled by OSU. Frost still has some work to do. It appears Nebraska is another program with a long road ahead. No quick fix there either. Who gets back to the top first, Vols or Huskers?
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Vols, because of recruiting. Recruiting to Lincoln is very difficult.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Vols even we could use their QB. O, how I wish he had signed with us.
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That was one that got away that could have been a difference maker imo. Never fiqured it out but must have had something to do with Tyson Helton who was coordinator at USC. I truly feel he would have lit it up with our receivers and he is good at scrambling which reminds me of Dobbs. Nebraska doesn't play the level of competition that UT does so any ranking they achieve doesn't mean that much if it doesn't include strength of schedule. We recruit better than them also.
 
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tbones0711 said:
That was one that got away that could have been a difference maker imo. Never fiqured it out but must have had something to do with Tyson Helton who was coordinator at USC. I truly feel he would have lit it up with our receivers and he is good at scrambling which reminds me of Dobbs. Nebraska doesn't play the level of competition that UT does so any ranking they achieve doesn't mean that much if it doesn't include strength of schedule. We recruit better than them also.
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Lol the Nebraska fans are killing this guy on every forum and want a new QB NOW
 
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I used to think Tennessee had an easier path to the top than Nebraska, but honestly I'm not so sure now.

Tennessee does have 2 things going for it that Nebraska does not. Nebraska has absolutely no in-state talent and is a poor geographic/cultural fit in their own conference. Tennessee is not oozing with in-state talent but has more than Nebraska does (2020 Top Football Recruits in Nebraska), and obviously does not have a conference fit issue at all. Nebraska's recruiting issue today is that the Big 12 kids they used to recruit don't want to play in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten kids in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, etc. don't want to go to Nebraska. Their joining the Big Ten was great for them financially, but almost certainly makes recruiting harder. Their best option is to recruit nationally, but their brand isn't what it used to be. There are, of course, a lot of top recruits in SEC country that aren't considering Tennessee, but it's because we stink. That's different from not wanting to go to Tennessee because we stink plus we aren't in the SEC; that's what Nebraska's situation is.

Having said that, the best programs in the Big Ten West are Wisconsin and Iowa. Wisconsin is routinely a big overachiever and Iowa is solid pretty often. However, Ohio St, Michigan, Michigan, and Penn St are over in the other division. Because of that Nebraska arguably has a clearer path to a division title than Tennessee does at the moment.

The programs and fanbases remind me a lot of each other. Both fanbases show out even when the program stinks and I think a lot of their fans thought they could beat or at least be very competitive with Ohio St.
 
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