Did we offer Chavis?

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AlaskaVol said:
A bunch of idiots criticizing a coach that is DC for the number 1 team in the nation!! What foolishness it is, trying to justify your mistake in wanting him fired.

Firing Chavis has really worked out great. 3 years later and we sure aren't any better.
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Anybody can be a good DC with the talent he had.
 
#102
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volsof09 said:
Anybody can be a good DC with the talent he had.
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His peers in coaching have historically disagreed with your deep and thoughtful analysis....as he has won many coaching awards selected by peers. I think the NFL highly disagrees with your thoughtful critique as well.

More important I think Big Al will disagree....
 
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I find it weird that a guy that "won't" and "can't" recruit has so many NFL players sign up to play defense under him. Maybe the fact is they come because they know the man has put more players in the pros than ANYONE! Bash Fulmer (why?) all you want, the CHIEF and his defences were fun to watch and brought US a lot of wins. VFL= Chavis.
 
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I can think of no other coach in NCAA football I more love to watch defensively over the course of a long career....he's kinda like a NCAA Buddy Ryan....he has a certain "scorched earth" mentality when it comes to defense that is incredibly fun to watch...but sometimes really hurts when you get caught with your pants down on a sell out blitz.....but the man is very aggresive and always inspires incredible loyalty and energy in his players.

I have been sort of a closet LSU fan all season save when they came to Neyland.....that I could not bare....but I'm glad to see him doing well.
 
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#105
I know..... Fulmer and Chavis are the reason we are the laughing stock of the SEC today, Nov. 2 2011. Where will we be in 2014? I know I look like a newby, but I have followed this board and gridscape for over 15 years. GBO!
 
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#106
Fulmer and Chavis are the reason we won a National Championship and were the envy of the nation for over a decade. Hamilton and Kiffin are the reason we are the laughing stock of the SEC today, as well as our bi polar negafans wanting to fire someone everytime the real world turns out to be more complicated then blameing a single person for not beating every team in the toughest conference in college football....


FYP..nub

In other news likely our economy may be more complicated then simply voting W or obama out of office....I know....i know it's so hard to think things out instead of kneejerking and flaming, and picking up our torches and pitchforks and assuaulting the latest scapegoat....but let's try...
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Fulmer and Chavis are the reason we won a National Championship and were the envy of the nation for over a decade. Hamilton and Kiffin are the reason we are the laughing stock of the SEC today, as well as our bi polar negafans wanting to fire someone everytime the real world turns out to be more complicated then blameing a single person for not beating every team in the toughest conference in college football....


FYP..nub

In other news likely our economy may be more complicated then simply voting W or obama out of office....I know....i know it's so hard to think things out instead of kneejerking and flaming, and picking up our torches and pitchforks and assuaulting the latest scapegoat....but let's try...
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So, then, does it not make sense that fixing our team is more complicated than coming in and going 8-4 immediately (especially without our three best players), and that Dooley shouldn't be held as a scapegoat after a year and a half?
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I read that as leaving the door open. If anybody, including USF, backed up a brinks truck he'd sign up. What should he say? "USF sucks, you guys have deep pocket donors, but I'm not interested.". Get real.
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In case you haven't followed coaching searches before, saying he hasn't "directly" pursued the job means he has more than likely had Sexton inquire as to USF's interest. He basically said he would accept the position if they were interested, but they weren't. Just like everyone else.
 
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VKAman said:
So, then, does it not make sense that fixing our team is more complicated than coming in and going 8-4 immediately (especially without our three best players), and that Dooley shouldn't be held as a scapegoat after a year and a half?
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Yes it makes complete sense and I would agree with you 100% on that...I support Dooley and realize he's in a difficult sutuation...I just see the same mentality of the fulmer haters now being used against him. Spolied fans who don't appreciate what it takes to build a place up....he recruited well...it will take time though.....

However while things will get better.....he still has yet to prove he'll reach Fulmer's stats...that's no mark against him not many sec coaches last long enough to get those numbers. I hope he does, and I hope he's better then any coach we ever had....he's entertaining charismatic and he's our coach....I want him to succeed.

This isn't about Fulmer vs Dooley....or even Wilcox vs Chavis....this was just about Chavis....and he's one of the GREAT coaches in SEC history and has numbers and professional players to back it up.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Yes it makes complete sense and I would agree with you 100% on that...I support Dooley and realize he's in a difficult sutuation...I just see the same mentality of the fulmer haters now being used against him. Spolied fans who don't appreciate what it takes to build a place up....he recruited well...it will take time though.....

However while things will get better.....he still has yet to prove he'll reach Fulmer's stats...that's no mark against him not many sec coaches last long enough to get those numbers. I hope he does, and I hope he's better then any coach we ever had....he's entertaining charismatic and he's our coach....I want him to succeed.
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But why is Dooley's situation so difficult? Why don't we have any upperclassmen who can play? Kiffin didn't cause that problem all by himself in one year.
 
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VKAman said:
In case you haven't followed coaching searches before, saying he hasn't "directly" pursued the job means he has more than likely had Sexton inquire as to USF's interest. He basically said he would accept the position if they were interested, but they weren't. Just like everyone else.
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Frankly I couldn't care less about Fulmer's employment status. Why are you so consumed by it?
 
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VKAman said:
In case you haven't followed coaching searches before, saying he hasn't "directly" pursued the job means he has more than likely had Sexton inquire as to USF's interest.
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Based on what? Your women's intuition? Has there never been any coaches that state the same and simply are not looking very hard? Are these not general comments usually made ina release so as not to shut doors, but say something nice about the program, and not really give any info at all?

I see no real info there....you seem to find a book in it.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Frankly I couldn't care less about Fulmer's employment status. Why are you so consumed by it?
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Because he's made about 50 separate comments about how much he'd like to get back into coaching, how he doesn't think he deserved to be fired from Tennessee and how he wanted certain jobs, and his supporters are still delusional enough to act like he's unemployed because he wants to be.
 
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VKAman said:
Because he's made about 50 separate comments about how much he'd like to get back into coaching, how he doesn't think he deserved to be fired from Tennessee and how he wanted certain jobs, and his supporters are still delusional enough to act like he's unemployed because he wants to be.
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It's pretty strange for you to bring him into a thread discussion about Chavis being a viable head coaching candidate.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Yes it makes complete sense and I would agree with you 100% on that...I support Dooley and realize he's in a difficult sutuation...I just see the same mentality of the fulmer haters now being used against him. Spolied fans who don't appreciate what it takes to build a place up....he recruited well...it will take time though.....

However while things will get better.....he still has yet to prove he'll reach Fulmer's stats...that's no mark against him not many sec coaches last long enough to get those numbers. I hope he does, and I hope he's better then any coach we ever had....he's entertaining charismatic and he's our coach....I want him to succeed.

This isn't about Fulmer vs Dooley....or even Wilcox vs Chavis....this was just about Chavis....and he's one of the GREAT coaches in SEC history and has numbers and professional players to back it up.
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unless they were playin florida, auburn or lsu
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
....and Fulmer I dunno I just think his life was UT from freshman till when he left that's where is heart is at....not sure where he would be willing to go..and it's not like he's worried about finances, he's made more money as an ex coach the last couple of years then he did as a coach. He's busy.
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UT IE 95 said:
It's pretty strange for you to bring him into a thread discussion about Chavis being a viable head coaching candidate.
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Me?
 
#118
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UT IE 95 said:
It's pretty strange for you to bring him into a thread discussion about Chavis being a viable head coaching candidate.
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And not really, considering they're in the same boat where no one actually offers them anything.
 
#119
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VKAman said:
But why is Dooley's situation so difficult? Why don't we have any upperclassmen who can play? Kiffin didn't cause that problem all by himself in one year.
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Yes...yes he did...we had alot of transfers, he chased an excellent player in BJ Coleman off, and many comits such as Boyd backed out when Fulmer was let go. It's true that 2008 was a bad recruiting class....but then 2007 was ranked 3rd in the country...

Why is Dooley's situation so difficult? Fulmer was not only replaced his entire staff was, then the new staff was also almost entirely replaced...even the good players here have had to survive multiple coaches and philosophies...they have had little to no compettion to be starters reducing competativeness, bad players often have to be kept and coddled because even when they show their butt we have no one better to replace them with. There's alot of player on UT that we have joked about such as Crompton tahte were highly ranked, and had they ben under ONE coach and competed in a deep and stable school may have been GREAT.
5 stars by your name doesn't mean crap coming out of HS ball....you are not ready to compete at SEC level play......coaches do not simply take great recruits show them their play book and say go at it.....they coach them.....coaches still unpacking, moving in and learning their staffs simply have more on their mind then a stable system.....

I think our last few years would have been much better and we would have had a possible SEC east title if nothing else had we had just one coach during that time.... instability is poison to any program..
 
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2ironVol said:
Not me. I remember it much better than you. You actually don't remember it too well. One of those lesser teams, as you ignorantly claim, was Alabama. They went undefeated in 1992. We should have won the East, that's for sure.
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Arkansas and South Carolina were unranked but UT was 4 & 16 respectively. Forget about that those two didnt you?
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#123
#123
so I'm guessing that the vast majority on this thread would not trade a 3rd and chavis d for what we have now?
at least chavis taught tackling, angles, playing with violence and stuck with his game plan in the heat of battle.
 
#124
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I remember people joking about that. However I remember his actual stats being pretty durn impressive until the last couple of years, and even then usually being the only thing that kept us in the games... and having year in year out some of the best defenses we'd had since the General was here....

I think John has proven himself quite nicely at LSU...though I think leaving etc deffinately put fire back in his belly...he had gotten complacent recruiting and in other areas.
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This. I thought the guys best work was from about 2002-2007. Our offense went three and out every play for like 5 years straight and our D held us in game after game after game. We squeaked out a lot of wins that we had no business being close in, due to our schizo offenses.

Nobody has ever statistically / scientifically proven the "3rd and Chavis" myth. It's just like an urban legend at this point. For example, Cory Campbell picked Bama while in the Mustang Package to seal the game. Nobody praised the scheme that won it, or the call by coaches. They only remember "-" results of the 01' UGA or or or.

If someone would produce some scientific proof of the 3rd & Chavis, then I could believe it. Otherwise, I have to accept the success we had from 95-08 with him. He's a pretty good defensive coach, and Les Miles sure snatched him up immediately when he hit the market. They are ranked #1 right now and their D owned us and all the rest so far. He's obviously competent.
 
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