Did some research on GT

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Rockytoptalker said:
GT's style of the triple option (Based out of the flexbone formation) relies on deception to throw the defense off. A team would have to be very disciplined on defense to not have trouble stopping them, but thankfully our Vols have the whole offseason to prepare. A couple of other things we have going for us is the fact that triple option offenses can be very mistake-prone and, as OP stated, are one dimensional. Getting them into third and medium or long situations essentially puts their offense on the ropes.

Side note- Something really needs to be done about the cut blocks they do throughout the entire game.
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No it doesn't. And, there's nothing one dimensional about the triple option. True, it's run heavy, but it's a tough offense to stop bc of all the option attacks. Hard for a defense to find a key. No key = guessing game. I don't know why we're playing them. I don't like it.

Put your hands down.....done. You're welcome.
 
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Their offense is dependent on good A backs, and they've got one in Qua Searcy. Timing is vital, and that's what this game will hinge upon -- will the new quarterback have the timing down by the time we play in The Sphincter?


Playing a flexbone or wing-t or any triple option offense is just like playing any other team. They're still playing football, and every maxim of the game still applies: no turnovers, don't give up the big play, limit penalties, protect the football, make the most of your offensive possessions, and win the kicking game.

The only thing is, every mistake is magnified since their ball-control offense shortens the game.
 
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Rockytoptalker said:
GT's style of the triple option (Based out of the flexbone formation) relies on deception to throw the defense off. A team would have to be very disciplined on defense to not have trouble stopping them, but thankfully our Vols have the whole offseason to prepare. A couple of other things we have going for us is the fact that triple option offenses can be very mistake-prone and, as OP stated, are one dimensional. Getting them into third and medium or long situations essentially puts their offense on the ropes.

Side note- Something really needs to be done about the cut blocks they do throughout the entire game.
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Butch only needs exactly one month to prepare. No more and no less. He destroys the Bowl teams with that time frame. Last year he had the whole off season to prepare for App. State and we looked like we hadn't. So, maybe he won't even mention GT until Aug. 4. If he already has, it's too late and they're already in his head.
 
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basspond said:
Butch only needs exactly one month to prepare. No more and no less. He destroys the Bowl teams with that time frame. Last year he had the whole off season to prepare for App. State and we looked like we hadn't. So, maybe he won't even mention GT until Aug. 4. If he already has, it's too late and they're already in his head.
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The defense worked on shedding cut blocks during spring practice, so...
 
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I, like you, ignore nobody on here.
This is why I and others have asked for a "down thumb".
Sometimes I agree with what a poster says (any poster) and sometimes I don't. Would just like to show ya or nay without a post.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Might hurt us against UF because we will totally waste 2 weeks of fall practice on defending the triple option. Never see it again this season. Not a great team for the opener.
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To me, not a great team, ever. Just don't like having to play a triple offense once every few years..
 
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TennTom said:
Why not put him on ignore like most sensible posters? I don't understand engaging someone with whom no one respects.

On the subject matter, I'm not understanding the reservations of playing Tech. Lots of time to prepare means an easy win.
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Geez we're simply talking football
 
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The wishbone/flexbone/triple option is not some mythically powerful offense.

If it were, a lot more teams would be using it.

I'm a big fan of one of the very few teams who do (Army). Believe me, if West Point had access to rosters full of players with the size and speed that is common in the Power 5 conferences, they would not be running the triple option offense.

As for Tennessee - Ga Tech, with discipline, we will handle their offense. And with a bit of beginner's luck (talking about our QB), our offense will shred their defense to tatters.

The scoreboard of this game is going to be fine. Just hoping the injury sheet doesn't look too bad after it's over.
 
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Boca Vol said:
That was 11 years (12 seasons), 3 ex-coaches (not counting Butch), 5 DC's (not counting Shoop) ago.

If the same problems exists, then we are truly cursed!
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I don't think anyone is trying to say this UT team or staff relates to that game per say. We are just using that game to show how a good team, or any team for that matter, can and usually do have some trouble stopping this type of offense.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
The wishbone/flexbone/triple option is not some mythically powerful offense.

If it were, a lot more teams would be using it.

With discipline, we will handle their offense. And with a bit of beginner's luck (talking about our QB), our offense will shred their defense to tatters.

The scoreboard of this game is going to be fine. Just hoping the injury sheet doesn't look too bad after it's over.
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Agreed. We should win, but Air Force demolished our defense with injuries in that game. I just thank the Lord that we didn't foolishly schedule Navy, the best of all the option teams consistently. They would have made us look silly.
 
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LordBolton said:
Agreed. We should win, but Air Force demolished our defense with injuries in that game. I just thank the Lord that we didn't foolishly schedule Navy, the best of all the option teams consistently. They would have made us look silly.
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Gotta disagree. Ga. Tech has better athletes than Navy and they are running the same offense. If Ga. Tech was in the AAC, they would be at least as dominate as the Midshipmen.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
Gotta disagree. Ga. Tech has better athletes than Navy and they are running the same offense. If Ga. Tech was in the AAC, they would be at least as dominate as the Midshipmen.
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Wishbone/flexbone/triple option offenses live and die by the QB.

For most of the past half-decade, the Navy has had an incredibly talented wishbone QB in Keenan Reynolds (sp?). While he was there, I'd have picked Navy over Ga Tech every day of the week.

With him gone, you're probably right, the Yellowjackets probably have the edge. Unless Navy finds another QB of Keenan's level (and we don't know whether Ga Tech has found their guy yet, either).
 
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savannahfan said:
To me, not a great team, ever. Just don't like having to play a triple offense once every few years..
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Exactly. That's the point of gimmicky offenses, and maybe teams should boycott them. It really doesn't make much sense to disrupt a season's worth of training and preparation avoid a loss against an aberrant team. It's always been hard to tell if an "innovative" coach is someone who has seen the future or just someone who sees an advantage in the confusion that being different makes. But it's a free world and everyone can play similar games.

Some of us remember the first plague of wishbone/veer/triple option offenses and what those teams did to their opponents; but in the end, the option still didn't become the face of college football - just a gimmick offense for some teams, a defensive headache for the rest, and a boring game for the spectator.
 
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LeBleu said:
I been watching game film on GT, (youtube lol ) and they are not that good. It seems like the scheme is justified by "if" the Defense makes enough mistakes. For example they usually pass less than a hundred yards a game, but when they do the WR walks into the endzone based off of a miss read. If our D can make good choices. the game is in the bag.
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Have you watched UT on defense?
 
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Boca Vol said:
Oh, no. Stars and recruiting rankings are the only things that matter. :thud:
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Second only to coaching ability and player development. When you don't have those two things then stars are the only thing left to look at.
 
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AM64 said:
Some of us remember the first plague of wishbone/veer/triple option offenses and what those teams did to their opponents; but in the end, the option still didn't become the face of college football - just a gimmick offense for some teams, a defensive headache for the rest, and a boring game for the spectator.
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Man, if you remember when the wishbone was introduced (in the 60s or early 70s, I think?) you're older than me. Heh.

It has been around as long as I've been paying attention to football. I think we used a very simple version of it on my Pop Warner team when I was a wee lad.

As for it being boring, I disagree with you. It's certainly not pass-happy, but I love the flow and timing of the wishbone offense...love to watch it being played. I love watching QBs like Peyton Manning throw the ball all over the field, too, of course, they're just two very different flavors of offensive football. For me, both are really fun to watch.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Man, if you remember when the wishbone was introduced (in the 60s or early 70s, I think?) you're older than me. Heh.

It has been around as long as I've been paying attention to football. I think we used a very simple version of it on my Pop Warner team when I was a wee lad.

As for it being boring, I disagree with you. It's certainly not pass-happy, but I love the flow and timing of the wishbone offense...love to watch it being played. I love watching QBs like Peyton Manning throw the ball all over the field, too, of course, they're just two very different flavors of offensive football. For me, both are really fun to watch.
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Yeah, that's too old - I was a UT freshman in '64. I guess my lack of enthusiasm stems from being well up in the stands or watching on pre-HD TVs - kinda hard to get a feel for whats happening until it's happened. And, too, it left a bad taste when coaches like Switzer, Bryant, and Royal used it for an advantage they didn't need in the first place. Preparing for AL is one thing; preparing for an AL playing an offense no other opponent was using was another entirely.
 
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Sidebar: This thread brought to mind the 2008 Navy vs ND game. The year before, the Midshipmen had broken the streak. ND wanted to reassert their dominance, and at the outset of the 4th quarter had made a field goal to go ahead 27 - 7. It seemed that the Domers had the game in hand. Navy's quarterback rallied his team to score two unanswered TDs, and they had the ball, driving downfield with less than 2 minutes on the clock. The Middies QB had been slinging the ball deep during this rally, astonishing everyone with the strength and accuracy of his arm. Alas, there was to be no miracle repeat of 2007. Just yards from the goal line, Navy turned it over on downs. ND ran out the clock and breathed a sigh of relief.

Paul Johnson was in his 1st year as coach of GA Tech in 2008. Ken Niumatalolo had been promoted to HC at Navy, but largely, the 2008 Middies were Paul Johnson's team.

Only one QB on GT's roster has any experience at the college level. RS Junior, Matthew Jordan has played in 5 games, 5-of-9 passing for 94 yards and a TD. I do not foresee a slinger able to shock UT's D and rally from 3 scores down. That means GT's game is to get ahead early and eat the clock while scoring enough to maintain the lead. If Tennessee flips their script, builds a substantive lead in the first half, they should be able to hold off the Jackets and seal a victory.
 
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That triple option offense is a load to open up against starting the 2017 season and if the defense can hold Georgia Tech to less than 200 yards on the ground, they should have a good chance to win.
 
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skoalbeans said:
No it doesn't. And, there's nothing one dimensional about the triple option. True, it's run heavy, but it's a tough offense to stop bc of all the option attacks. Hard for a defense to find a key. No key = guessing game. I don't know why we're playing them. I don't like it.

Put your hands down.....done. You're welcome.
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The triple option is one dimensional in its very nature. It revolves around a single formation with a below average passer. I'm not sure what that last parts even supposed to mean either
 
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To be geometrically correct, the wishbone is a largely two-dimensional offense. The same two dimensions that the football field covers.

What you're trying to say is that it (comparatively) misses the 3rd dimension, the z axis, the vertical threat...the forward pass over the heads of many of the defenders.

And that's a fair criticism of most teams that run the triple option. But as a two-dimensional format, it's not bad. It's just not magically good. It's just another way of putting together a running game.


p.s. I'd love to see a wishbone team play against a spread zone read team, without any forward passes beyond the line of scrimmage allowed. Would be hella fun to see how they compare in strictly two dimensions.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
To be geometrically correct, the wishbone is a largely two-dimensional offense. The same two dimensions that the football field covers.

What you're trying to say is that it (comparatively) misses the 3rd dimension, the z axis, the vertical threat...the forward pass over the heads of many of the defenders.

And that's a fair criticism of most teams that run the triple option. But as a two-dimensional format, it's not bad. It's just not magically good. It's just another way of putting together a running game.


p.s. I'd love to see a wishbone team play against a spread zone read team, without any forward passes beyond the line of scrimmage allowed. Would be hella fun to see how they compare in strictly two dimensions.
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82, I love your posts and agree with ya 99.9% of the time ... but I am pretty sure I've seen numerous times, a running wishbone team burn their opponents with a deep threat, vertical threat, when least expected. If I am misunderstanding you, then set me straight. :hi:
 
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we had to fall on a fumble in the end zone in OT to win last years opener. that was at home playing slipper rock so to speak. they did not lose many starters from last year, and they beat GA. THEY WILL GIVE US ALL WE WANT
 
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