did obama order

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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Okay, so he was insinuating that Obama only holds these things for black people.
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
It is absolutely true.
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lawgator1 said:
One can make that argument.

But one cannot claim that its only Obama who has done it. And clear point of the thread start was to make this look like an Obama-specific phenomenon, when it clearly is not.
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Oh I know.

The only flag that should be lowered is each respective countryman's flag that flies by the UN. Just my opinion. Not found of the Sadat one but he did broker peace with Israel..the Pope had great influence over many Americans. I don't see what the big fuss is about Mandela..he served 20 some years in prison and then a white guy stopped all of the apartheid nonsense. Literally had nothing to do with America..more "hope" type stuff?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Oh I know.

The only flag that should be lowered is each respective countryman's flag that flies by the UN. Just my opinion. Not found of the Sadat one but he did broker peace with Israel..the Pope had great influence over many Americans. I don't see what the big fuss is about Mandela..he served 20 some years in prison and then a white guy stopped all of the apartheid nonsense. Literally had nothing to do with America..more "hope" type stuff?
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How old are you? He was kind of a big deal even here in the 1983-84 timeframe, iirc. Certainly more direct influence in the US than Sadat.

At any rate, as I say, I can see the argument that its the American flag so to be honored with it being lowered to half mast, you have to be a US citizen. There's an undeniable and appealing logic to that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
At any rate, as I say, I can see the argument that its the American flag so to be honored with it being lowered to half mast, you have to be a US citizen. There's an undeniable and appealing logic to that.
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must be an American citizen to vote there's an undeniable and appealing logic to that

must be an American citizen to receive any American social services there's an undeniable appealing logic to that


Was Sadat or the Pope ever on a terrorist watch list
 
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volmaverick said:
must be an American citizen to vote there's an undeniable and appealing logic to that

must be an American citizen to receive any American social services there's an undeniable appealing logic to that
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Well, the difference is obviously that the flag thing is purely symbolic and has no real effect. But, yes, if you want to propose a rule that it applies only to US citizens it's hard to argue that's wrong.
 
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lawgator1 said:
One can make that argument.

But one cannot claim that its only Obama who has done it. And clear point of the thread start was to make this look like an Obama-specific phenomenon, when it clearly is not.
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Link to where he claimed it was only Obama who did it?

I thought the question posed was why it was done for Mandela but not for Thatcher?

How about making an attempt to address the topic as it was originally posted, instead of turning the thread into what you project it to be.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
Link to where he claimed it was only Obama who did it?

I thought the question posed was why it was done for Mandela but not for Thatcher?

How about making an attempt to address the topic as it was originally posted, instead of turning the thread into what you project it to be.
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I was about to make this same point. The question is why for Mandela, but not for Thatcher. Probably for the same reason he attended one's memorial service and not the other.

I believe Obama felt he could attach himself to the Mandela death and gain some political mileage out of it. No such chance with Thatcher's passing.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I was about to make this same point. The question is why for Mandela, but not for Thatcher. Probably for the same reason he attended one's memorial service and not the other.

I believe Obama felt he could attach himself to the Mandela death and gain some political mileage out of it. No such chance with Thatcher's passing.
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Very likely the case, though Obama wouldn't be the first POTUS or politician to do this either.

I think the question posed is not only reasonable, but also worth some valid conversation. LG, on the other hand, is the equivalent of the liberal media for VolNation... if there's anything posted that might, in any way, shine a negative light on Obama then he is the first to redirect and try to point a finger back toward the GOP.
 
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The thread title is "did Obama order." Forgive me for inferring from that title that OP was implying that this practice is unique to Obama. And that there is a little backtracking now because it has been pointed out that Regan and Bush did it, too.

I cannot for the life of me figure out where I went wrong on that.


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lawgator1 said:
The thread title is "did Obama order." Forgive me for inferring from that title that OP was implying that this practice is unique to Obama. And that there is a little backtracking now because it has been pointed out that Regan and Bush did it, too.

I cannot for the life of me figure out where I went wrong on that.


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it's actually a legit question for any president. Did Reagan and Bush ignore one former leader of an ally but honor another former leader?

it should be more limited in its use. However if we're going to do it like this then it should be lowered every time a US soldier dies in combat ordered by the potus
 
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lawgator1 said:
The thread title is "did Obama order." Forgive me for inferring from that title that OP was implying that this practice is unique to Obama. And that there is a little backtracking now because it has been pointed out that Regan and Bush did it, too.

I cannot for the life of me figure out where I went wrong on that.


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Listen dippy

he did for Mandela and he did not for Margaret Thatcher..why not?
 
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utvolpj said:
it's actually a legit question for any president. Did Reagan and Bush ignore one former leader of an ally but honor another former leader?

it should be more limited in its use. However if we're going to do it like this then it should be lowered every time a US soldier dies in combat ordered by the potus
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The easiest way to deal with this imo is to recognize that its part of executive privilege and to stop trying to read into when its done and when it isn't some secret meaning.
 
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can you hear hear the outcry if Bush did it for Margaret Thatcher but did not do it for Mandela

they would be screamin racist 24 /7 on TV
 
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lawgator1 said:
The easiest way to deal with this imo is to recognize that its part of executive privilege and to stop trying to read into when its done and when it isn't some secret meaning.
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if it's done as an executive privilege then every choice to use it absolutely has an underlying meaning. This is especially true when talking about foreign leaders
 
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lawgator1 said:
The thread title is "did Obama order." Forgive me for inferring from that title that OP was implying that this practice is unique to Obama. And that there is a little backtracking now because it has been pointed out that Regan and Bush did it, too.

I cannot for the life of me figure out where I went wrong on that.
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Did you completely ignore the ONLY sentence in the original post?

Flags lowered and attend the funeral of Margaret Thatcher?

Not sure how you gathered he was comparing Obama to other presidents. It's fairly obvious the comparison was between the world leader mentioned in his post versus the world leader currently in the news.

There's like a whole section on this type of thing in GMATs, LSATs, SATs, etc....
 
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volmaverick said:
Listen dippy

he did for Mandela and he did not for Margaret Thatcher..why not?
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Ask him. He's president.

If I had to guess, I'd say its because Mandela's struggle with three decades in prison, and then his forgiveness and graciousness after that to try to move his country along, inspired a worldwide acknowledgment of places where there is still the kind of 19th century thinking that separates man. Whereas Thatcher did things like blow crap up on the Falkland Islands.
 
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utvolpj said:
if it's done as an executive privilege then every choice to use it absolutely has an underlying meaning. This is especially true when talking about foreign leaders
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Why not just come out with it and admit you are saying Obama did it for Mandela because he's black? Even though you have no evidence for that as his motivation, other that he is, in fact, black.

At least VM admits to his resentment that the black POTUS honored a black foreign national.
 
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