Did Dooley even recruit his last ten months?

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sjt18 said:
Very good point.

Part of what Jones has to do is undo some of what the last staff did... and not in a "bad" sense.

The other staff was recruiting for different O and D systems. They were looking for a different type of personality. UT is still in on players that both staff's liked but there seem to be few of those on the D side of the ball.

Had they been able to win some ball games then who knows where they might have been now. Believing your job situation is hopeless pretty much kills motivation regardless of what you are doing. I'm sure some folks here think that someone who knows they're going to be fired should do their best to make things good for their replacement... but that just isn't reality.
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Yeah there were some different systems, but I don't buy a whole lot of that, especially with talented players who WANT to play for you. As a coach, you take them and find a way to get them involved IMO.

It would be interesting if there was a way to see what would have happened if CDD actually had won some games and where we'd be standing now.

It would be very hard to continue to recruit when you knew you were not going to be around much longer. I mean what could you even say to a kid?
 
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volnooga said:
You are an absolute boob. Things are far worse now than what Dooley inherited. No one is taking cheap shots. The man did literally nothing to better the program in his last 10 months.
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Sorry, but I call bull on that. I am glad that we have a new coach, and this staff is working hard.

But, the roster that Dooley inherited was the worst in my lifetime. You know it's bad when Tyler Wolfe starts at safety the 3rd game into the season. You can dump on Dooley all you want, but he inherited the proverbial and overused "dumpster fire."
 
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VolGee4 said:
You can't blame him for basketball. I am sorry, but you have to give a man credit for a good thing if you are going to criticize for the bad. The Bruce Pearl hire was great, and even though Bruce had one past problem, it was not an NCAA issue against him. You can never expect your coach to lie to the NCAA. The jury is still out on Martin as a coach, but he is one quality human being. JMO.
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VolGee, hiring Bruce Pearl was a great hire. BUT, Hamilton was in so far over his head, he either:

1. Allowed Pearl to go unchecked leading to NCAA violations and/or
2. He did not prepare Pearl for the interview and allowed him to get blindsided.

Neither of the two items above would have occurred if there had been the same amount of respect/fear shown to Hamilton that was shown to Dickey. Plus, Dickey would not have allowed Pearl to get blindsided and/or lie to the NCAA in the investigation.

Jury still out on Cuonzo. I hope he succeeds.
 
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As for this topic: Dooley did inherit a "dumpster fire." But, his background should not have made him a candidate nor did it prepare him for this job. He was in over his head from the beginning and sank quickly. The fact that practically every coach on the staff left after year 2 should have been a clear sign to the administration.
 
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Backwards K said:
VolGee, hiring Bruce Pearl was a great hire. BUT, Hamilton was in so far over his head, he either:

1. Allowed Pearl to go unchecked leading to NCAA violations and/or
2. He did not prepare Pearl for the interview and allowed him to get blindsided.

Neither of the two items above would have occurred if there had been the same amount of respect/fear shown to Hamilton that was shown to Dickey. Plus, Dickey would not have allowed Pearl to get blindsided and/or lie to the NCAA in the investigation.

Jury still out on Cuonzo. I hope he succeeds.
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Yea, maybe. Don't know the innerworkings of all of that. There was some speculation that Pearl took a hit for an assistant who had initially lied.

But, bottom line is that we are all adults (well...maybe), and Bruce Pearl has to be much smarter. I do agree that Hamilton didn't handle it well after the fact, especially announcing that Pearl was in trouble right before our NCAAT game. However, Bruce Pearl was mainly culpable in the situation. Hamilton made the correct hire.
 
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VolGee4 said:
You can't blame him for basketball. I am sorry, but you have to give a man credit for a good thing if you are going to criticize for the bad. The Bruce Pearl hire was great, and even though Bruce had one past problem, it was not an NCAA issue against him. You can never expect your coach to lie to the NCAA. The jury is still out on Martin as a coach, but he is one quality human being. JMO.
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Disagree. You think if Calapari or Saban lied about a little barbecue incident, the NCAA would do to them what they did to Tennessee??? No way. An AD with balls would have laughed in their faces before spitting on them. Hamilton couldn't even protect and save the one thing he did right, and that was hiring Bruce Pearl.
 
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NEOCON said:
Honest question that I ask. it seems like he just quit.
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I really think he was done after the Kentucky loss. If we would of cut ties then and just say had coach Jones and he had Bray,Hunter and Patterson and i know our defense would of been better. We could of had a winning reccord and recruiting would be in top 10 right now. :banghead2:
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
How is that a good thing? They dont carry over to the following year. It's like the end of the Missouri game when he didn't use the timeouts to try to get into FG range and win the game. Sure our kicking game was a crap shoot but at least try. Leaving visits unused means he didn't try to get kids on campus.

I'm not one to whine about 3*s, in fact you need a solid base of them to fill out the roster. However, it really seemed like that's all Dooley would shoot for. The impression I got was that if a kid was leaning Bama, FL, or UGA then DD just didn't put forth the effort. CBJ appears to be doing just the opposite.
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It was efficient. All im saying. The guy is a first class tool in my book. Just stating a few things he was good at.
 
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SCvol333 said:
some of you people really do kill me - i am not sure exactly what you think DD could have done - once it became evident to the whole country that he wasnt going to be the coach what exactly is he supposed to do on the recruiting trail

the assts know there is very little chance they will be staying once the coach is axed so what is their incentive to recruit?

he brought in a lot of good players - the cupboard is immeasurably better than what he inherited - he wasnt good enough on gamedays so UT moved on - i think the members of this board should to
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Seriously, stop with actual logic. It ruins the whole atmosphere of this thread. :thumbsup:
 
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livefaith said:
Seriously, stop with actual logic. It ruins the whole atmosphere of this thread. :thumbsup:
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Except that "actual logic" ignores the fact that Dooley & Co. were making ridiculous recruiting blunders long before the last few months of his tenure.
 
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Backwards K said:
As for this topic: Dooley did inherit a "dumpster fire." But, his background should not have made him a candidate nor did it prepare him for this job. He was in over his head from the beginning and sank quickly. The fact that practically every coach on the staff left after year 2 should have been a clear sign to the administration.
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Good points. The admins surely saw this clear sign too, but at that point making the change would have been hasty, making a big hire tougher. Everybody knew we would win at least 7 w that veteran offense. So, they stayed the course for a front row seat on the Titanic, err I mean the Sunseri!

Who would have thot with better talent than the 28th ranked D in the nation the yr before, that we would have the worst in the history of TN football? Nobody posting on this board for sure. I remember all happiness about that underachiever "Wilcox", and the new fire and swag CSS was bringing.

I was a little suprised at how the NCST RB walked in untouched for 6, then fleetingly got concerned we may really be trying against pathetic GSU, then hoped against hope that UF just got lucky, but Akron completed the reality check, .... then Troy crystalized the horror.

Ugggh, it's still hard to believe what happened. Out of 50 scenarios, I would not have guessed that one.
 
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Seems like the current staff's open communication is the difference in this conversation. If CDD & staff had been half as vocal about where they were or when they were recruiting, we would likely have been shocked by how hard they worked, too (we hope).

But actually that serves as more credit to the CBJ staff. They are really connecting well and keep us ALL in the mix with them.
 
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UTMark said:
Yes. He offered and got Sanders (ok he's going JUCO) and Zac Cunningham. Look, I understand that Dooley failed miserably on the field, but he had a big ship to turn around and CBJ doesn't have half the fight he did when he took over. I'm glad he's gone, but I'm not going to take cheap shots at him either.
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K.....I am
 
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Dooley is a name that should never to associated with TN. Dooley came off as a priviledged a hole that thought he was too good to go recruit. The I am smarter than you, my Daddy was a big time coach and my momma ran for congress little boy. There was no communication on Dooley's staff and they almost exclusively hated working for him. He has no respect coming from this alum.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
Dooley is a name that should never to associated with TN. Dooley came off as a priviledged a hole that thought he was too good to go recruit. The I am smarter than you, my Daddy was a big time coach and my momma ran for congress. There was no communication on Dooley's staff and they almost exclusively hated working for me. He has no respect coming from this alum.
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What is your connection to Fiji, Fijivol?
 
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And we should be going after and signing the top 5 players in our own state every year. Period
 
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UTMark said:
Yes. He offered and got Sanders (ok he's going JUCO) and Zac Cunningham. Look, I understand that Dooley failed miserably on the field, but he had a big ship to turn around and CBJ doesn't have half the fight he did when he took over. I'm glad he's gone, but I'm not going to take cheap shots at him either.
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the roster may be more complete, but I think there's less belief in the vols now (taking the outsider's, non fan perspective) than there was when Dooley took over.
 
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