Did David Cutcliffe try too hard to make EA the next Manning?

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I thank EA for his time at UT, but I am certainly ready for a change.

The only thing worse than a 6-6, 225 QB that can make all the throws but is inconsistent, is a OC who continues to scheme around this player under the assumption that his superior QB coaching will be displayed on the field. I think we relied so much on EA because of his innate abilities, that DC continiously overlooked his glaring faults. I think we saw gameplans based on what EA should have been capable of doing, and not on what was going to be the most successful (ex. AF success against Bama, the G-Gun package last night). Instead of a little success in the running game setting up the passing game, how about we just have a good running/PA game...won us a MNC. I think DC would accept the on-the-field failures of EA as a direct reflection on his reputation, and the result was a "system QB", with an aversion to contact but really nice stats. I want a guy willing to have his helment ripped off to make that key first down. Sometimes balls matters more than having a surgical, methodical approach based soley on the ability of the players to execute with flawless precision. EA was broken after 2005, but in rebuilding him, we lost the guy that made us proud against UF in 2004. That kid was not a "surgeon" and was certainly raw, but damnit, he was a gunslinger with guts.

According to recent article, DC talked about how sacks were one of the biggest factors involving drive killers. This makes sense, because EA has been programmed to avoid contact at all cost and dump the ball if there is any pressure (as has been stated here). EA has all the physical ability in the world, yet he continued to make the same mistakes over and again, and was plagued with inconsistent play. USC and UK should have not have even been in the game in the second half. Many of the great comebacks are mitigated by our QB's propensity to go AWOL for a quarter or a half.

I appreciate EA for what he has done and wish him the best of luck. I hope DC will utilize the talents of our next QB instead of trying to mold him into the next pro-bowler. If DC doesn't change his philosophy quickly, I would just assume him move on. I credit him for taking the blame after numerous games this season, and we as a fan base are unaccustomed to a coach taking the blame in that manner, which has bought him some leniency. But his offense has put us in great peril several times over the season and flat out cost us the game last night. I think it was pretty obvious that Bo was going to take away our bread and butter passing game last night and Foster was struggling between the tackles. For what they pay DC, I would imagine that he could have come up with some adjustments to at least allow us to move the ball a little. The defense asked very little of the O last night, and they couldn't deliver. I liked the little "wrinkles" we put in, but when the game was on the line, we were calling plays that Pelini had showed them all week and put EA in a situation where he has shown the capacity to make both dynamic plays and colossal mistakes. We didn't need a Manning last night, just some creativity and willingness to accept what works, even if it doesn't fit our philosophy.
 
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I thank EA for his time at UT, but I am certainly ready for a change.

The only thing worse than a 6-6, 225 QB that can make all the throws but is inconsistent, is a OC who continues to scheme around this player under the assumption that his superior QB coaching will be displayed on the field. I think we relied so much on EA because of his innate abilities, that DC continiously overlooked his glaring faults. I think we saw gameplans based on what EA should have been capable of doing, and not on what was going to be the most successful (ex. AF success against Bama, the G-Gun package last night). Instead of a little success in the running game setting up the passing game, how about we just have a good running/PA game...won us a MNC. I think DC would accept the on-the-field failures of EA as a direct reflection on his reputation, and the result was a "system QB", with an aversion to contact but really nice stats. I want a guy willing to have his helment ripped off to make that key first down. Sometimes balls matters more than having a surgical, methodical approach based soley on the ability of the players to execute with flawless precision. EA was broken after 2005, but in rebuilding him, we lost the guy that made us proud against UF in 2004. That kid was not a "surgeon" and was certainly raw, but damnit, he was a gunslinger with guts.

According to recent article, DC talked about how sacks were one of the biggest factors involving drive killers. This makes sense, because EA has been programmed to avoid contact at all cost and dump the ball if there is any pressure (as has been stated here). EA has all the physical ability in the world, yet he continued to make the same mistakes over and again, and was plagued with inconsistent play. USC and UK should have not have even been in the game in the second half. Many of the great comebacks are mitigated by our QB's propensity to go AWOL for a quarter or a half.

I appreciate EA for what he has done and wish him the best of luck. I hope DC will utilize the talents of our next QB instead of trying to mold him into the next pro-bowler. If DC doesn't change his philosophy quickly, I would just assume him move on. I credit him for taking the blame after numerous games this season, and we as a fan base are unaccustomed to a coach taking the blame in that manner, which has bought him some leniency. But his offense has put us in great peril several times over the season and flat out cost us the game last night. I think it was pretty obvious that Bo was going to take away our bread and butter passing game last night and Foster was struggling between the tackles. For what they pay DC, I would imagine that he could have come up with some adjustments to at least allow us to move the ball a little. The defense asked very little of the O last night, and they couldn't deliver. I liked the little "wrinkles" we put in, but when the game was on the line, we were calling plays that Pelini had showed them all week and put EA in a situation where he has shown the capacity to make both dynamic plays and colossal mistakes. We didn't need a Manning last night, just some creativity and willingness to accept what works, even if it doesn't fit our philosophy.

:good!:
 
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Ainge had some terrible reads that game. You expect a senior QB in the biggest game of his career to play better then that.
 
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I think you nailed David Cutcliffe to a T.

I also think Erik Ainge will be a better QB in the Pros because of the caliber of WR's he will have. He wont have a Taylor or Rodgers in the NFL.
 
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I thank EA for his time at UT, but I am certainly ready for a change.

The only thing worse than a 6-6, 225 QB that can make all the throws but is inconsistent, is a OC who continues to scheme around this player under the assumption that his superior QB coaching will be displayed on the field. I think we relied so much on EA because of his innate abilities, that DC continiously overlooked his glaring faults. I think we saw gameplans based on what EA should have been capable of doing, and not on what was going to be the most successful (ex. AF success against Bama, the G-Gun package last night). Instead of a little success in the running game setting up the passing game, how about we just have a good running/PA game...won us a MNC. I think DC would accept the on-the-field failures of EA as a direct reflection on his reputation, and the result was a "system QB", with an aversion to contact but really nice stats. I want a guy willing to have his helment ripped off to make that key first down. Sometimes balls matters more than having a surgical, methodical approach based soley on the ability of the players to execute with flawless precision. EA was broken after 2005, but in rebuilding him, we lost the guy that made us proud against UF in 2004. That kid was not a "surgeon" and was certainly raw, but damnit, he was a gunslinger with guts.

According to recent article, DC talked about how sacks were one of the biggest factors involving drive killers. This makes sense, because EA has been programmed to avoid contact at all cost and dump the ball if there is any pressure (as has been stated here). EA has all the physical ability in the world, yet he continued to make the same mistakes over and again, and was plagued with inconsistent play. USC and UK should have not have even been in the game in the second half. Many of the great comebacks are mitigated by our QB's propensity to go AWOL for a quarter or a half.

I appreciate EA for what he has done and wish him the best of luck. I hope DC will utilize the talents of our next QB instead of trying to mold him into the next pro-bowler. If DC doesn't change his philosophy quickly, I would just assume him move on. I credit him for taking the blame after numerous games this season, and we as a fan base are unaccustomed to a coach taking the blame in that manner, which has bought him some leniency. But his offense has put us in great peril several times over the season and flat out cost us the game last night. I think it was pretty obvious that Bo was going to take away our bread and butter passing game last night and Foster was struggling between the tackles. For what they pay DC, I would imagine that he could have come up with some adjustments to at least allow us to move the ball a little. The defense asked very little of the O last night, and they couldn't deliver. I liked the little "wrinkles" we put in, but when the game was on the line, we were calling plays that Pelini had showed them all week and put EA in a situation where he has shown the capacity to make both dynamic plays and colossal mistakes. We didn't need a Manning last night, just some creativity and willingness to accept what works, even if it doesn't fit our philosophy.

Well said. Without a run game, we placed too big a burden on EA to win the game in cruch time. Had he been willing to hold the ball a little longer and had Meachem came back for his senior year, we could have made Pellini pay dearly for having 8-9 men in the box much of the time.
 
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Seriously now folks. If you've ridden your Senior QB to whatever success you've had throughout the season it only makes sense that you let him try to make the play. I am sorry that Ainge has come out of this looking like a goat. He has been though a lot: dealt with two QB controversies (Shaffer and Clausen); changed OCs; and had some injuries. I think he's done a decent job all things considered.
 
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The Manning boys threw the ball downfield under Cut. Ainge is no Manning and he actually threw downfield more under RC.
 
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Seriously now folks. If you've ridden your Senior QB to whatever success you've had throughout the season it only makes sense that you let him try to make the play. I am sorry that Ainge has come out of this looking like a goat. He has been though a lot: dealt with two QB controversies (Shaffer and Clausen); changed OCs; and had some injuries. I think he's done a decent job all things considered.

I'm with you. I think part of what hurt Ainge too was all the injuries. I felt like this year Cutt took every precaution to protect him from getting hurt again, or becoming more severely injured than he was already.
 
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Had this discussion with my son a few days ago. We feel like that has been coach cuts main agenda. Thats why we have abandoned the run at times this yr when it seemed to be working.
 
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13 points in a title game is pathetic. The offense played its worst game of the year. The game plan seemed no different then any other game.
 
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Great points. I especially agree with the point that DC was outcoached by Pelini. The good coaches are the ones that can make the neccessary adjustments on the run. Our staff rarely exhibits those qualities. They seem to have their gameplan set in stone and are determined to stick with no matter what.
 
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Seriously now folks. If you've ridden your Senior QB to whatever success you've had throughout the season it only makes sense that you let him try to make the play. I am sorry that Ainge has come out of this looking like a goat. He has been though a lot: dealt with two QB controversies (Shaffer and Clausen); changed OCs; and had some injuries. I think he's done a decent job all things considered.

There was never any controversy with Shaeffer. Shaeffer started ahead of him when they were freshmen and then because of the hot hand Ainge got against Florida, he was handed the starting job. I was never sold on Ainge. DC made the best of him. The only controversy was with Rick C. He should have never been ahead of Ainge, but this shouldn;'t have been such a big deal if Ainge wasn't such a mental basket case.

Ainge was a decent QB and that is it. Him graduating is GOOD for this offense. He was overrated and NEVER won a big game for the Vols.

I challenge one poster to name a big game in which he put the team on his shoulders and WON the game. Never mind, you can't
 
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. I liked the little "wrinkles" we put in, but when the game was on the line, we were calling plays that Pelini had showed them all week and put EA in a situation where he has shown the capacity to make both dynamic plays and colossal mistakes. We didn't need a Manning last night, just some creativity and willingness to accept what works, even if it doesn't fit our philosophy.
well stated, and that would sum up my feelings about CDC and the offense.........."i like it but....". perfect explanation on the "but........".
 
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If you watch some of the old tapes, Shuler didn't exactly zing it down the field a lot. Manning was the only one.
 
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There was never any controversy with Shaeffer. Shaeffer started ahead of him when they were freshmen and then because of the hot hand Ainge got against Florida, he was handed the starting job. I was never sold on Ainge. DC made the best of him. The only controversy was with Rick C. He should have never been ahead of Ainge, but this shouldn;'t have been such a big deal if Ainge wasn't such a mental basket case.

Ainge was a decent QB and that is it. Him graduating is GOOD for this offense. He was overrated and NEVER won a big game for the Vols.

I challenge one poster to name a big game in which he put the team on his shoulders and WON the game. Never mind, you can't

How about Bama last year. UMMMM Cal last year. Ole miss 2004, Vandy this year, Ky this year, Arky this year, USC this year, UF 2004..... the list goes on and on. Now what do i win?
 
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I think the UT fan base tries to make all UT QB's fit into one mold. Cut is smart enough to have each QB play to his strengths.
 
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I think the UT fan base tries to make all UT QB's fit into one mold. Cut is smart enough to have each QB play to his strengths.
disagree. im sure we all have styles and opinions on qb's that differe, but at the end of the day, i thnk the only thing tn fans care about is winning.

tee martin and peyton manning are completely different, yet both are reveered for different reasons. both won SEC titles with two different styles.

Andy Kelly and Heath Shuler, same thing.
 
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disagree. im sure we all have styles and opinions on qb's that differe, but at the end of the day, i thnk the only thing tn fans care about is winning.

tee martin and peyton manning are completely different, yet both are reveered for different reasons. both won SEC titles with two different styles.

Andy Kelly and Heath Shuler, same thing.

100% correct sir!!!:salute:
 
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disagree. im sure we all have styles and opinions on qb's that differe, but at the end of the day, i thnk the only thing tn fans care about is winning.

tee martin and peyton manning are completely different, yet both are reveered for different reasons. both won SEC titles with two different styles.

Andy Kelly and Heath Shuler, same thing.

:thumbsup:
 
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disagree. im sure we all have styles and opinions on qb's that differe, but at the end of the day, i thnk the only thing tn fans care about is winning.

tee martin and peyton manning are completely different, yet both are reveered for different reasons. both won SEC titles with two different styles.

Andy Kelly and Heath Shuler, same thing.

I didn't mean 1 mold but a pocket passer will always be compared to Manning and a mobile to a Shuler or Tee. I think we should appreciate them on their own merits and many don't do that.
 
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