Did CBJ take over coaching WR group after Arky game?

[wmcovol]

Tee Martin very likely will be on the market.

 

[DjVFL0773]

Impossible, they've been playing better and if Butch were coaching them they would be worse.

Ur ignorant. CBJ is regarded as a monster WR coach. Thats his roots... Also this offense is the most dynamic offense I've seen in a long time... Teams can't predict what's about to happen. We can run 20 dif plays out of 1 package, and those 20 plays have 3 options on all of them. Our blocking schemes are complex and proven... So for those that say Butch isn't an X & O's coach, y'all don't know football. He has made some questionable calls, but all in all butch is a football genius.

 

[lateknight]

Put Azzani somewhere else and bring someone in unless Butch want that to be his special project. I think he should talk to Swain

 

[DjVFL0773]

You read it on here and you think it is true, Well it is not.

What they were saying was that CBJ took over after Arky. All I was saying was that i didnt know if it was true, but it would be believable. We have produced alot better numbers the last 3 games... And thats when Butch supposedly took them over.

 

[Other_Guy]

To be fair, many passes have been way off

And this IS a running team.

 

[DC Vol]

Tee Martin.....come on down?

I don't care about the comments nor him staying in LA for whatever reason.

He's a great recruiter and, by most accounts Ive read, he's a great coach and motivator.

Who cares if he bucked us for LA and called Hurd soft? He's a bona fide upgrade and the last QB to win a natty and SEC title for UT.

 

[sspineda]

Tee Martin very likely will be on the market.

Don't think for a second that USC is just going to let him walk out like some free agent. They will fight to keep him, make no mistake. IF, and that's an enormous IF, he were to return here, it won't be because he was desperately looking for a job. It'll be because the UTAD decided to pay him what he's worth.

 

[DC Vol]

Don't think for a second that USC is just going to let him walk out like some free agent. They will fight to keep him, make no mistake. IF, and that's an enormous IF, he were to return here, it won't be because he was desperately looking for a job. It'll be because the UTAD decided to pay him what he's worth.

Depends on who USC hires. I've heard that they want a total severing with previous staff.

No more Carroll era nor previous USC coaches. Full culture change.

 

[sspineda]

Depends on who USC hires. I've heard that they want a total severing with previous staff.

No more Carroll era nor previous USC coaches. Full culture change.

I hope you're right. But I would be shocked if every effort wasn't made to retain him. I understand the culture change, but Tee's not a guy from the Carroll era and he recruits with the best of them and has as many relationships with future prospects as anybody in that area.

 

[majic73]

I am not sure why this is a mystery , Maybe the receivers have improved because someone is getting the ball to them ?

The first 3 games of the season , Dobbs was handcuffed to single read executable plays. This should tell that the staff had some real concerns and reasons to protect Dobbs. Looking at the 5 times that he threw into coverage at Bama and dodged the bullet ...you can see where they were coming from

Since they got behind at UGA and opened up the downfield game the team has improved. He is doing a better job at not holding the ball past 3 seconds , his accuracy and decision making has improved. He still has his moments , but overall he has improved drastically

I personally would not cast judgement on the receivers coach when for half the season , the ball either wasn't thrown or wasn't thrown well

 

[sameolvol]

Who really knows. Just for giggles, I'll add my:twocents: Butch's offense is a multiple spread that utilizes a lot of power running and varying shifts...yuuuuuuge selection of movement. It's common knowledge that to master zone blocking techniques and quick read reactions requires at least two years and lots and lots of reps. Same is true for all the rest of CBJ's offensive scheme. I feel confident that by season's end this group will be night and day better than they are even now...with the veterans from this group carrying it into 2016. I'll bet the Butch haters will be eating lots of humble pie by then. Also because (to provide my wishful thinking) either Mister Martin or Mister Manning will be coaching our WRs/QBs or...really wishfully thinking...Peyton coaching the throwers and Tee coaching the catchers. Proper reasoning on the first one cent...over optimistic on the second. Overall perception: Relax. Our Vols are in the best position they could possibly be in...and getting better.

 

[ncvol17]

Noticed the chili tastes better in the stadium. Have heard rumblings that Butch took over the recipes. Makes perfect sense.

 

[pharmDvol11]

Could just be that the o-line if finally starting to gel. :dunno:

I think it's this. It's the head coach's job to help the position coaches when needed. Overall, he's a facilitator. There is nothing wrong with a coach helping the team gel by helping position coaches. There have been several key injuries to the WR group and, as far as I can tell, a vocal leader hasn't fully emerged on the field for that group. The head coach is responsible for the entire team's success and we ALL agreed earlier in the year that the WRs needed to step up

 

[driscokid]

Ur ignorant. CBJ is regarded as a monster WR coach. Thats his roots... Also this offense is the most dynamic offense I've seen in a long time... Teams can't predict what's about to happen. We can run 20 dif plays out of 1 package, and those 20 plays have 3 options on all of them. Our blocking schemes are complex and proven... So for those that say Butch isn't an X & O's coach, y'all don't know football. He has made some questionable calls, but all in all butch is a football genius.

The offense you saw in the KY game is the offense they have been trying to build. Cover Hurd we will spread you out and pass or run the QB. Cover Dobbs and play to much zone. Hurd will eat you up. Leave too much space and Kamara will light you up. Play too much tight man and we will go deep. It's coming together

 

[majic73]

Who really knows. Just for giggles, I'll add my:twocents: Butch's offense is a multiple spread that utilizes a lot of power running and varying shifts...yuuuuuuge selection of movement. It's common knowledge that to master zone blocking techniques and quick read reactions requires at least two years and lots and lots of reps. Same is true for all the rest of CBJ's offensive scheme. I feel confident that by season's end this group will be night and day better than they are even now...with the veterans from this group carrying it into 2016. I'll bet the Butch haters will be eating lots of humble pie by then. Also because (to provide my wishful thinking) either Mister Martin or Mister Manning will be coaching our WRs/QBs or...really wishfully thinking...Peyton coaching the throwers and Tee coaching the catchers. Proper reasoning on the first one cent...over optimistic on the second. Overall perception: Relax. Our Vols are in the best position they could possibly be in...and getting better.

I think you are 100% correct on the time of mastering Butch's offense. This is a very dynamic , multiple offense that can do pretty much whatever it wants . The passing game is a layered West Coast scheme ...being read in layers rather than side to side . It is difficult to master and requires a bit a of presnap knowledge by the QB to determine matchups an coverage weaknesses.

It is good that Dobbs started so weak as a passer and has come so far during the season . He has a ways to go but I have no doubt he will get there .

As to your fantasy coaches ....I just dont know about that

 

[BenGrimm]

It was reported that CBJ worked more with the WRs before the UGA game. I don't know that he "took over" the position but he certainly gave them some extra attention that week a D it seems to have paid off.

It has been said that a few of the Wr's have voiced their displeasure with the lack of a passing game and some have said they would transfer if changes weren't made. We have seen better play from the group as well more productivity in the passing game.

I'm going to call BS on that. Who was threatening transfer? A banged up North? P Williams who was getting a few targets a game as a true freshman? Josh Malone who dropped more than he caught? Pearson who also had the drops but is out of eligibility?

For one, if a kid is "threatening" the coaches they will transfer then they aren't team players and shouldn't see the field with that attitude. Second, the WRs were just as much to blame for their early season lack of production. For every high pass there was also a drop or wrong route or lack of effort getting off press coverage. When the whole unit is having those problems, that doesn't give the OC much confidence calling plays to them.

 

[majorvol]

Seems like someone has to be fired every week . 😳

 

[Catbone]

Tee Martin.....come on down?

He'll be an OC somewhere else I bet

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Don't think for a second that USC is just going to let him walk out like some free agent. They will fight to keep him, make no mistake. IF, and that's an enormous IF, he were to return here, it won't be because he was desperately looking for a job. It'll be because the UTAD decided to pay him what he's worth.

If his wife wants to stay in Southern California, he will stay there. That is a fact which he exercised 3 years ago.

 

[dd4vols]

He was classless the last time he was presented a job, not interested.

:loco:

if you equate 'classless' with staying at USC for about $200k more per season then I guess he was. This thought that he should just jump back to knoxville for what going to be almost a 50% reduction in salary is just stupid. just stupid.

 

[TheColorOrange]

CBJ may be covering a bit for coach Azz and that would be understandable considering what a great recruiter he is.

Many schools carry a fair position coach simply because he's a great recruiter.

Would you want a great position coach that can't recruit?

Like it or not we'll never get back to the top without great recruiting and the rock solid proof of that is how much better we've become on the field with the last 2 great recruiting classes.

2 more great recruiting classes like the last 2 and we'll be damn near unstoppable.

Great recruiting is the lifeblood to great teams and lots of Wins in college football.

Always has been, always will be.

CDD recruited on the level of Vandy or worse and we see where that got us.

CBJ and staff are recruiting close to the alaBubba and UGa level and we see where that has us heading.

I prefer lots of WINS over a coach that can't recruit.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!

For what it's worth, our former defensive coordinator, John Chavis, didn't recruit. He was known for absolutely hating it.

 

[thebjd]

I am going to beat this dead horse again but the constant WR rotation may be stunting the development of the players and the relationship needed between a QB and a WR. Who can Dobbs depend on to run the correct route and be in the right place for him on a given play? It is a constant player rotation at wide-out.

 

[thebjd]

For what it's worth, our former defensive coordinator, John Chavis, didn't recruit. He was known for absolutely hating it.

The NFL factory aspect of his defense attracts talent. His defense, regardless of the 3rd and Chavis comments is a defense where players get to play fast and make plays. There is a lot of man to man and it is a good scheme to showcase talent if you have it. He was known as a coach that didn't necessarily hit the recruiting trail with fervor.

 

[majic73]

I am going to beat this dead horse again but the constant WR rotation may be stunting the development of the players and the relationship needed between a QB and a WR. Who can Dobbs depend on to run the correct route and be in the right place for him on a given play? It is a constant player rotation at wide-out.

Running 8 receivers when you typically have 4 receiver sets and routinely have 80 + offensive plays a game is not just normal ...but necessary . Not to mention that the receivers in this offense block heavy on every play . If we did not platoon receivers ...we would have to run a different offense

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Running 8 receivers when you typically have 4 receiver sets and routinely have 80 + offensive plays a game is not just normal ...but necessary . Not to mention that the receivers in this offense block heavy on every play . If we did not platoon receivers ...we would have to run a different offense

This is correct and all 8 we are playing should be running correct routes not just 4 of them.