Did anyone notice the refs added time?

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OCVol82

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I just watched the replay...after the JJ penalty and the flag, another play was ran, running play, tackled, 14 seconds left. A flag was thrown, they wanted to review the previous play to see if the receiver maintained possession.

Now thats all and good, but they reviewed to see if possession was maintained, then in so doing they changed the time from 25 seconds to 26 seconds...the review was for the reception, not the damn time left on the clock..

I think these bowls are rigged or something...but thats BS.

YouTube - Music City Bowl Ending - Tennessee vs. North Carolina - 12/30/2010
 
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They probably would have added 2 seconds but their prophetic skills indicated that only one was needed.
 
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They added time to the clock at least 6 different times during that game. I have never seen that before,ever!!! Once they added 1 second to the clock in the middle of the game for no apparent reason. I thought he just enjoyed exercising his authority,big ten should be embarrassed by their officials and we should be pissed. K state got screwed worse than us,well maybe about the same by another shining example of Big 10 officiating.
 
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OCVol82 said:
I just watched the replay...after the JJ penalty and the flag, another play was ran, running play, tackled, 14 seconds left. A flag was thrown, they wanted to review the previous play to see if the receiver maintained possession.

Now thats all and good, but they reviewed to see if possession was maintained, then in so doing they changed the time from 25 seconds to 26 seconds...the review was for the reception, not the damn time left on the clock..

I think these bowls are rigged or something...but thats BS.

YouTube - Music City Bowl Ending - Tennessee vs. North Carolina - 12/30/2010
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The replay booth or a coach are the only ones who can request a play be reviewed. They can for any reason adjust the time clock if the review deems it necessary. What I'm stuck on is this, unless a rule has been changed.

The Officials:
Jurisdiction and Duties
SECTION 1. Jurisdiction
The officials’ jurisdiction begins 60 minutes before the scheduled kickoff
and ends when the referee declares the score final [S14].

The offical deemed the game over and the score offical, so why doesn't the replay offical's jurisdiction end? Is he not an offical too? And the flag was thrown after time had expired.
 
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I'd rather know how/when the UNC WR regains control of the ball and manages to stay inbounds. Because I don't see it...
 
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OCVol82 said:
I just watched the replay...after the JJ penalty and the flag, another play was ran, running play, tackled, 14 seconds left. A flag was thrown, they wanted to review the previous play to see if the receiver maintained possession.

Now thats all and good, but they reviewed to see if possession was maintained, then in so doing they changed the time from 25 seconds to 26 seconds...the review was for the reception, not the damn time left on the clock..

I think these bowls are rigged or something...but thats BS.

YouTube - Music City Bowl Ending - Tennessee vs. North Carolina - 12/30/2010
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They got a million things wrong, but they did this one right. They just put the time back on the clock that was run off when the clock operator wound the clock without knowing the referee had been buzzed by the replay booth. They correctly put the clock back at 26 seconds.
 
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GAVol said:
They got a million things wrong, but they did this one right. They just put the time back on the clock that was run off when the clock operator wound the clock without knowing the referee had been buzzed by the replay booth. They correctly put the clock back at 26 seconds.
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Why dont we review every play? Only makes sense to me...there was a rush and panic in NC's eyes...lets review the play and let em calm down...it is BS...
 
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GAVol said:
They got a million things wrong, but they did this one right. They just put the time back on the clock that was run off when the clock operator wound the clock without knowing the referee had been buzzed by the replay booth. They correctly put the clock back at 26 seconds.
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Looked to me like it should have been set at 25.
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There is a clock issue here, just not the one you are talking about:

If the receiver on the play that was being reviewed did indeed catch the ball, then a knee, forearm, elbow etc had to have come down in bounds right? That means he was down in bounds. Since it was a First Down in bounds and not out of bounds, wouldn't that mean that the clock should have started at ready to play and not on the snap of the next play?

We're grasping at straws here, but it's unbelievable how many little things the officials got wrong.

The Janzen Jackson personal foul (at least this one was a judgment call hard to see in real time)
Not winding the clock immediately after the review.
Walking off 5 yards instead of 15 for illegal participation.
Declaring the game over.
 
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GAVol said:
There is a clock issue here, just not the one you are talking about:

If the receiver on the play that was being reviewed did indeed catch the ball, then a knee, forearm, elbow etc had to have come down in bounds right? That means he was down in bounds. Since it was a First Down in bounds and not out of bounds, wouldn't that mean that the clock should have started at ready to play and not on the snap of the next play?
We're grasping at straws here, but it's unbelievable how many little things the officials got wrong.

The Janzen Jackson personal foul (at least this one was a judgment call hard to see in real time)
Not winding the clock immediately after the review.
Walking off 5 yards instead of 15 for illegal participation.
Declaring the game over.
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Solid point. That really never came to my mind.
 
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When JJ hit the receiver, the ball came loose. When the receiver hit the ground, it pushed the ball back into his grasp. He was clearly out of bounds when he regained control. Why the catch was not overturned, is beyond me. Secondly, the hit by JJ was not an illegal hit. He led with his helmet, but just before he made contact, he lowered his helmet, and actually hit the receiver in the back of the shoulder, with his shoulder/helmet. One thing for certain......I'll never complain about the SEC officiating again after watching that debacle. With 32 bowls being played, I guess you get that type of crew.
 
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GAVol said:
Could be . . . I don't remember paying attention to precisely what the clock was at.
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25. I thought that was what the OP was referring to. Without the extra second, we win.
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kptvol said:
25. I thought that was what the OP was referring to. Without the extra second, we win.
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You're right, I misread the post. :) I thought he was talking about putting the time back on from 14 seconds.
 
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Formal apology will probably be coming. not that it matters, but no way they leave this thing like it is. Really though what is the point. Sorry Tennessee our incompetence cost you the game , see you next year. We'll try not to screw up again.
 
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GAVol said:
You're right, I misread the post. :) I thought he was talking about putting the time back on from 14 seconds.
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It gets confusing when you're discussing multiple mistakes on every play of the final drive in regulation.
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kptvol said:
It gets confusing when you're discussing multiple mistakes on every play of the final drive in regulation.
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And we'll all get accused of whining . . . but honestly I've never seen anything like the end of that game.
 
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OCVol82 said:
I just watched the replay...after the JJ penalty and the flag, another play was ran, running play, tackled, 14 seconds left. A flag was thrown, they wanted to review the previous play to see if the receiver maintained possession.

Now thats all and good, but they reviewed to see if possession was maintained, then in so doing they changed the time from 25 seconds to 26 seconds...the review was for the reception, not the damn time left on the clock..

I think these bowls are rigged or something...but thats BS.

YouTube - Music City Bowl Ending - Tennessee vs. North Carolina - 12/30/2010
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i might be misunderstanding you but:

the review came in before that "no flag play." (the one with the slant pass where the announcers thought there was a flag for offsides or something; when the short play was run after the long catch/personal foul play prior)

because the actual call for review from the booth came in to the referees before the play was run, it overrides that short catch play, and it has to be treated like no play happened (or that the review came in immediately at the tail-end of the last play).

Since the review= no next play happening, the clock has to be reset to the time it had at the end of the previous play (the running play came after the review and after the clock had been reset to 25 or 26)
 
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TrueOrange said:
i might be misunderstanding you but:

the review came in before that "no flag play." (the one with the slant pass where the announcers thought there was a flag for offsides or something; when the short play was run after the long catch/personal foul play prior)

because the actual call for review from the booth came in to the referees before the play was run, it overrides that short catch play, and it has to be treated like no play happened (or that the review came in immediately at the tail-end of the last play).

Since the review= no next play happening, the clock has to be reset to the time it had at the end of the previous play (the running play came after the review and after the clock had been reset to 25)
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My bad...not a run play...the slant pass...I am hungover from drowning my sorrow last night...the slant pass completion...and they reset it to 26...not 25 like it should have been...
 
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