DG's Post-Signing Day Thoughts

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Been super-busy lately, but thought I'd get in my post.


Pruitt's First Class

We're disappointed b/c we raised our expectations. I'm disappointed we didn't land any "big fish" on signing day just like everyone else, but it's important to realize the reason we're all "disappointed." We're "disappointed" because Pruitt had us in the running with a lot of blue-chip recruits that we would've never been in with otherwise. And remember, he built relationships with some of these recruits less than 7 weeks ago. The fact that we were even under consideration is a bit of a miracle. It's rare to land blue-chip recruits when you only have a few weeks to build relationships.

#20 Class is Impressive. Ignore the fact that we missed out some 5-stars that no one on Earth expected us to land 6 weeks ago and the class is reasonably impressive. Remember, Butch Jones' class completely fell apart and the last staff had all but quit recruiting by October. Our class was ranked down in the 50's at one point, and even that likely overstated where we were, since some of our "commits" were already looking at other schools. Pruitt was hired 2 months ago, with the task of salvaging an obliterated class. He got us up to #20 while being a part-time coach. If we had a bit of luck, we might have even been up to #15. That's impressive when you look at it in that context.

Partial year classes are normally weaker. It's rare for an incoming head coach to pull in a top class after the previous coach was fired. Traditionally, there's a big Year 2 class jump, since that's the first class the incoming coach has a full year to work on. Here are some incoming coaches 1st year classes vs 2nd year. Almost all coaches struggle a bit with the partial year and have a big jump in Year 2.

Pete Carroll. #20 v #8
Nick Saban. #12 v #3
Dabo Swinney. #36 v #27
Tom Herman. #25 v #3
Urban Meyer @ FL: #12 v #2
Kevin Sumlin: #16 v #9
Mark Richt @ UM: #22 v 12
Brian Kelly: #15 v #9

There are exceptions, but typically, the exceptions are for coaches who are located in the deepest talent pools (Florida, L.A., Louisiana, Georgia) or who already have established connections at the university (see Gus Malzahn at Auburn).

2019 class is very important. Based on this, the 2019 class is going to be immensely important. Anyone that expected us to a pick up a top 10 or top 12 type of class for 2018 was probably being overly optimistic, but great coaches typically recruit well for their 2nd class (1st full class). And the really great coaches continue to improve.

Dabo Swinney. Swinney's early recruiting numbers seem terrible compared to where he's at now. He wasn't even in the top 25 for his 2nd year. Almost comical looking back at where he started. There's a legit case that Swinney is one of the top 5 coaches of the 21st Century, right behind Saban and Pete Carroll.



The 2018 Season


Defense looks much better than offense. It normally takes a new coach two years to really get his system running well and that will probably be the case here as well, but we have a lot of talent on defense. Our secondary is well-stocked (even more so now that Byrd is moving to DB). We look very good at LB with Kirkland, Bituli, Sapp, and Ignont. We can also move Darrell Taylor to OLB if necessary for a 3-4 scheme. At least on paper, we look pretty good on D.

We added some studs to D. JJ Peterson, Jordan Allen, Greg Emerson, Brent Lawless, Emmit Gooden, Trevon Flowers. Our recruiting haul on defense is stellar for a partial-year class.

Offense still a problem. I'm not disappointed with the class, because I know historically how difficult it is to put together a top class on short notice, but it does suck that we really struck out on offense where we need the help the most.

WR is a huge issue. Losing Young and missing out on Copeland are the biggest losses IMO. Our WR depth is still a major weakness. Thanksfully, we get JJ back next season, and bring back Callaway and Brandon Johnson, but beyond that, we're struggling at WR. Alontae Taylor was a big grab, but would've helped immensely to have gotten another WR that might be able to play in Year 1.

QB situation is ugly. I'm much higher on JG than most here. JG's stats at the end of the season were actually very good and most of the struggles were in the red zone where we lacked solid possession receivers. My bigger concern is that we don't have a legit backup QB. Shrout is a project at best (and can't imagine he'll see significant action till 2020 at the earliest) and McBride was terrible passing the ball last season and doesn't really fit into a pro-style system. We desperately need a grad transfer.

O-line still problematic. Trey Smith is a beast. We have some other contributors and potential contributors in Ryan Johnson, Drew Richmond, Marcus Tatum, and maybe Nathan Niehaus, but we are looking thin at OL once again. Big recruit in Jerome Carvin, but rare for Freshman to have an impact on OL in the SEC.

RBs are solid, but not enough. RBs are clearly our strength on offense in 2018 with Ty Chander, CFA, Tim Jordan, and Trey Coleman. We also add big back Jeremy Banks. But a one-dimensional offense with a weak OL won't cut it in the SEC.



2019 Class

QB is #1 need. Shrout is a great project, but we need a blue chip QB for the 2019 class.

O-line help. We desperately need help on OL.

WRs. We really need at least 2-3 blue-chip WRs in 2019. If Callaway leaves for the draft after next season, that puts us in really bad shape for 2019 without some big-time recruits.

Nose Tackle. We know we're probably switching to 3-4 over time, so this is a big need.

Keep landing defensive studs. I don't think we have glaring weaknesses at defense right now. We just need to reload with the stud recruits that Pruitt is capable of getting. We'll probably sign more LBs than we have in the past due to the 3-4, but that's the only real shift.
 
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Great analysis and well stated my friend.

I believe that CJP and staff did work hard trying to get our lines on both sides of the ball better and it's a bit sad that we missed on a few big get linemen.

I'm looking forward to seeing improved Trench warfare on both sides of the ball.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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There's no way to sugar coat this. It started with the screwed up coaching search and missing out on a big name. It ended yesterday with a huge disappointment. When you swing for the fences, you also strike out more often. From 247, our average recruit is 87.76 rating, with even number 41 Vanderbilt sitting close behind at an 86.07 average and Kentucky 86.11. While above us, a&m, lsu, Florida, auburn, and Alabama and Georgia of course, are a wider gap in front of us than Vandy and KY are behind us. It is what it is, but it isn't looking good
 
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it's also weird that half your analysis about why things arent so bad is because the greatest coaches in college football have improved or overachieved on their class rankings. the implication is that Pruitt is (or could be) listed among those names, while that of itself is quite a stretch.

Unrelated to this thread, i find it funny looking back at all the folks who literally called out Butch Jones when Pruitt would offer a good player saying "why weren't we offering this guy under the previous coach" and "things are looking so much better than under Butch Jones".
 
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In the words of Sir Mic you can't always get what your want. Sometimes you get what you need. Every one got excited and expected Q. Walker to sign with us just because Pruitt recruited him at Bama but it was never probably going to happen, and when it didn't it crashed the entire class. When Mays went to Ga in December that killed the overall class ranking but he was gone with Butch. We filled some areas of need and got stronger and deeper. Good day not great but Good. Now move on
 
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Great Analysis....Defense wins championships...Can't help but think that CJP and staff had a backup plan. Possible that we may still sign a few others? After signing day. Not sure how this may work.

You covered it all...Staff changeover depletion of previous class. Truly believe that CJP recruited to position of need. There is no Gravy in this class....in contrast, Jones recruited to eyewash....sad but true, great on paper.

If there are Any unsigned players that are true "Diamonds in the Rough" I believe that CJP will find them.

All the Coaching fisaco with Shiano and the ADs office contributed with bad publicity. CJP in late and the National Championship/Playoff Games did not help. To include GA.

Truly believe that several players will regret shunning Tennessee in the long run. Walker will have to compete to get playing time in first and Second years. He's good but may be beaten in that position.
 
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it's also weird that half your analysis about why things arent so bad is because the greatest coaches in college football have improved or overachieved on their class rankings. the implication is that Pruitt is (or could be) listed among those names, while that of itself is quite a stretch.

Unrelated to this thread, i find it funny looking back at all the folks who literally called out Butch Jones when Pruitt would offer a good player saying "why weren't we offering this guy under the previous coach" and "things are looking so much better than under Butch Jones".

Good thought. This situation is sui generis. Having said that, ranked #20 is impressive to me.
 
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the implication is that Pruitt is (or could be) listed among those names, while that of itself is quite a stretch.

There's no "implication" other than that even the greatest coaches have typically struggled with the partial-year class. So to judge Pruitt by a standard that would fail Pete Carroll and Dabo Swinney is pretty asinine.
 
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Where did Butch’s first class finish. It’s seems to me that this one is a better especially on defense.
 
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There's no "implication" other than that even the greatest coaches have typically struggled with the partial-year class. So to judge Pruitt by a standard that would fail Pete Carroll and Dabo Swinney is pretty asinine.

there most certainly is an implication that because these great coaches had success after mediocrity, Pruitt also can be an all-star coach despite the mediocre start. it's similar to the argument "this 3 star player became the best player in the nfl, so a class full of three star players is ok". it's far more likely that a mediocre start means mediocrity, and doesnt mean Nick Saban Jr. I am hopeful he takes these kids, coaches them up to their potential, wins some games, and next year has a great class. that's a lot of hope, and a years worth of wait.
 
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There's no "implication" other than that even the greatest coaches have typically struggled with the partial-year class. So to judge Pruitt by a standard that would fail Pete Carroll and Dabo Swinney is pretty asinine.

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Only part I disagree with really is our db's, while we look good at safety we just do not have corner talent or quality depth.
 
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Where did Butch’s first class finish. It’s seems to me that this one is a better especially on defense.

23rd in one service - 1 QBs I think Dobbs and some in-state talent...the attrition everyone seems to forget.

CJP will have less attrition than Jones. Jones' attrition were due to up kept promises and Eyewash and throwing players under the bus. Playing favorites and an example would be keeping Kamara on the bench....Finally got the balls to play a better player.

Got JG because of the connection not because of the talent. Wasn't thinking he could develop them. Micromanaged the staff. Terrible environment for players and coaches...
 
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there most certainly is an implication that because these great coaches had success after mediocrity, Pruitt also can be an all-star coach despite the mediocre start. it's similar to the argument "this 3 star player became the best player in the nfl, so a class full of three star players is ok". it's far more likely that a mediocre start means mediocrity, and doesnt mean Nick Saban Jr. I am hopeful he takes these kids, coaches them up to their potential, wins some games, and next year has a great class. that's a lot of hope, and a years worth of wait.

Sounds like your year is going to be longer than DG's.
 
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There's no way to sugar coat this. It started with the screwed up coaching search and missing out on a big name. It ended yesterday with a huge disappointment. When you swing for the fences, you also strike out more often. From 247, our average recruit is 87.76 rating, with even number 41 Vanderbilt sitting close behind at an 86.07 average and Kentucky 86.11. While above us, a&m, lsu, Florida, auburn, and Alabama and Georgia of course, are a wider gap in front of us than Vandy and KY are behind us. It is what it is, but it isn't looking good

Did you even read the OP?:ermm:
 
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there most certainly is an implication that because these great coaches had success after mediocrity, Pruitt also can be an all-star coach despite the mediocre start. it's similar to the argument "this 3 star player became the best player in the nfl, so a class full of three star players is ok". it's far more likely that a mediocre start means mediocrity, and doesnt mean Nick Saban Jr. I am hopeful he takes these kids, coaches them up to their potential, wins some games, and next year has a great class. that's a lot of hope, and a years worth of wait.

Are you going to be able to survive until the next coach? Your logic isn't.
 
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QB is our biggest problem. Hope JG can get it going but not to impressed. He was hurt his Junior & Senior year of HS and last year. Is he one of the players prone to injury every year. Be our luck he comes out on fire and gets knocked out 3 games in or so.
 
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Didn't Juan Jennings play QB in HS? Hummm.......I've seen stranger things happen.

As crazy as it sounds, JJ may be the best backup QB on the roster. We recruited him as a QB, but he quickly switched to WR. Though, I think he's better off staying at WR where he has NFL talent.
 
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Our stud QB. currently is not on the roster

Fact is we do not know what we have in JG. Hopefully under some good tutelage and better injury luck on the OL, we can see what we have there. DG is right though about the need for a grad transfer QB. Odds are unlikely JG would go through the entire season without missing some playing time. Issue is the list of Grad Transfer QBs is thin and I would think someone like Chryst or Wilton Speight would not come here unless he thought it more likely that not he would be the starting QB. On the flip side how would JG do with being the backup for a another year--given his pouting at the GT game.
 
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There's no way to sugar coat this. It started with the screwed up coaching search and missing out on a big name. It ended yesterday with a huge disappointment. When you swing for the fences, you also strike out more often. From 247, our average recruit is 87.76 rating, with even number 41 Vanderbilt sitting close behind at an 86.07 average and Kentucky 86.11. While above us, a&m, lsu, Florida, auburn, and Alabama and Georgia of course, are a wider gap in front of us than Vandy and KY are behind us. It is what it is, but it isn't looking good

Cry a river why don't ya.
 
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