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Only two more grueling weeks to go before the season opener. Here’s my TL;DR stab at a position group overview.
First, let's do the short version:
Offense
Quarterbacks: B+
Running Backs: B+
Wide Receivers: B-
Tight Ends: B+
Offensive Line: A-
In spite of struggles last season, the O-line should be the strength of this offense. If it’s not, that’s a problem, as we are absolutely loaded talent-wise. Quarterbacks show great promise, but don’t have a lot of experience. Similar situation IMO at Running Back (outside of John Kelly), but I’m optimistic about the group we have and think Chandler could be pretty good. I suspect we might be a bit slow coming out the gate with so many inexperienced players and new coaches, but that we’ll find our way over the course of the season. Depth at the Wide Receiver is my biggest concern.
Defense
Defensive Line: B+
Linebackers: B-
Secondary: A-
Our defense could dramatically improve this season. We were hobbled last season by having lost more starts due to injuries than any other FBS program. While we lose some greats such as Derek Barnett, our D-line has a lot of talent if only we can avoid the injury bug. Our secondary, at least on paper, looks loaded. If Charlton Warren can improve the coaching, expect a big improvement with D-backs. The LB position is my biggest concern.
Special Teams: A-
If there’s anywhere we’ve been consistently good during the Butch Jones era, its special teams. Hopefully that continues in 2017. We bring back Senior Kicker Aaron Medley, as well as Senior Punter Trevor Daniel. Evan Berry is back and we should have some intriguing other options for returners, as well.
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Now for the extended cut!
Quarterbacks
Overall: B+
Ceiling: A+
Floor: C
1st String: Quinten Dormady
2nd String: Jarrett Guarantano
3rd String: Will McBride
According to college football media, this is the worst QB situation we’ve had since 2013. I’m willing to wager that the media is significantly underrating us in this regard. We have not one, but two, very good QB prospects in Dormady and Guarantano. There’s a good chance that both could prove to be better passers than Josh Dobbs. At the same time, it’s unlikely that either will be able to replace Dobbs’ running production. Dobbs was our leading rusher last season with 831 yards on 150 carries. Those stats significantly understate his production since sacks count against rushing yards in the NCAA; and Dobbs was sacked 25 times last season. Factor that in and Dobbs was likely a 1,000+ yard rusher.
Dormady has shown a strong arm, great accuracy, and good judgment. Guarantano also has a strong arm and has shown good accuracy. Right now, it seems as if Dormady leads the race, but it’s close. Both these guys have the potential to be special.
The hiring of Mike Canales has had a positive impact on our QBs. IMO Dobbs’ inconsistent performance in the passing game can partly be attributed to a lack of emphasis on the position. Canales immediately came in and changed this and has tried to correct some of the issues (such as poor footwork). It’ll take some time to judge Canales, but for now, I see him as a major upgrade over the previous situation.
Overall, I’d put us in the 2nd tier of SEC QBs with South Carolina (Jake Bentley), Georgia (Jacob Eason), and Mizzou (Drew Lock), right behind the more proven commodities (Jalen Hurts, Jarrett Stidham at Auburn, Nick Fitzgerald at Miss State), with potential to move up into that 1st tier.
On one hand, it's easy to say that there are other teams out there with a better QB situation. On the other hand, I’d have a difficult time saying that I would trade QD and JG for anyone else in the SEC. I'm that high on both players' potential.
Running Backs
Overall: B+
Ceiling: A
Floor: C
Starters: John Kelly (undisputed), Ty Chandler
Back-ups: Carlin Fils-Aime, Tim Jordan
John Kelly doesn’t get enough respect from the national media, but he averaged 5.8 yards per carry last season and had a knack for finding the end zone. From a statistical perspective, Kelly has been a much better rusher than Jalen Hurd. The only downside is that he’s not nearly the prolific receiver that Kamara or Hurd were. I feel very good with John Kelly overall. The big question mark is “what do we have behind him?”
The early indications look positive for highly recruited talent Ty Chandler. I have a hunch he’s going to be our #2 RB this season. Sounds like Chandler can also catch the ball, which should help, particularly given that we'll probably be throwing the ball more this season. Nevertheless, until we see Chandler out on the field, it’s a bit early to get too excited. For now, we'll say he looks like he's got great potential and could be an immediate contributor.
Tim Jordan, like John Kelly, was a lightly recruited 3-star RB, who may have been underrated by the analysts. Jordan has been getting some rave reviews. If nothing else, he'll hopefully add some quality depth.
Sophomore Carlin Fils-Aime remains a bit of a question mark. He didn’t get major playing time last season in any meaningful games, so difficult to know what we’ve got. Hoping he steps us this year, but doesn’t feel like we’ve heard much yet.
As far as coaching goes, I’d consider Robert Gillespie to be our most proven position coach. The running game has consistently been strong under him, even under less than ideal circumstances with the O-line in 2014 and 2015.
Overall, there are lots of reasons for optimism with this group, but also some question marks given that we mostly have unknown commodities. We’ll have a much better sense of what we have at RB after September is over. For now, I’d say we’re about a “B+” and likely also in the 2nd tier of the SEC behind teams like LSU (Guice) and Georgia (Chubb, Michel).
Wide Receivers
Overall: B-
Ceiling: B+
Floor: D
Starters: J. Jennings, Tyler Byrd, Marquez Calloway
Backups: Josh Smith, Brandon Johnson, Latrell Johnson, Josh Palmer, Jeff George
Like much of the offense this season, it’s probably going to take a few games before we know what we have at WR. We lose Josh Malone, who was our leading receiver last season with 50 receptions, 972 yards, and 11 TDs, including an impressive 19 yards per catch.
Jauan Jennings is our obvious new #1 receiver this season. JJ is still significantly underrated on a national level. Beyond JJ, it’s less certain what we have, but we do have some promising young players, including most notably Tyler Byrd, who amassed 15 catches and 209 yds in 2016 during his Freshman campaign (after switching over from defense) and Marquez Calloway, who saw limited action last season. We bring back Senior Josh Smith, who had a bit of a disappointing season last year, but was much more productive in 2015. Sophomore Brandon Johnson saw limited action last season (4 games, 7 recs, 93 yards), but is likely to make a bigger contribution this year. We have R-Freshman speedster Latrell Williams, who may turn into a threat at some point. And Freshman Josh Palmer has drawn some positive reviews.
We lose WR coach Zach Azzanni, who I believe was significantly underrated. We replaced him with Kevin Beard, who we just don’t know much about yet. I’m not pessimistic on Beard by any stretch, but I do think it’s a “wait-and-see” type deal.
Overall, though, WRs concerns me more than any other offensive position group. I don’t think we’re bad by any means, but it’s the group with the most question marks. I also think an injury to Jennings would be likely to have a significantly negative impact on the offense, as he may be our only major big-play threat.
Would love to hear other perspectives, though.
Tight Ends
Grade: B+
Ceiling: A
Floor: C
Starter: Ethan Wolf
Backups: Jakob Johnson, Latrell Bumphus, Eli Wolf
TEs have been under-utilized for much of the Butch Jones Era. Hoping to see that change with Larry Scott being promoted to OC. Senior Ethan Wolf is back as our starter. His brother, Eli, just earned a scholarship. Jakob Johnson’s hard-work appears to finally be paying off during his Senior year, and he’s drawing very positive reviews from the coaches. True Freshman LaTrell Bumphus was recruited by most programs at Defensive End, but Larry Scott saw him as a Tight End. Bumphus is thus far drawing rave reviews.
Overall, I feel reasonably good about Tight End. If Jakob Johnson’s improvement catching the ball turns out to be legit, we have some options.
Offensive Line
Grade: A-
Ceiling: A+
Floor: C
Starters: Drew Richmond (LT), Jack Jones (LG), Jashon Robertson (C), Trey Smith (RG), Brett Kendrick (RT)
Backups: Venzell Boulware, Coleman Thomas, Ryan Johnson, Marcus Tatum, Devante Brooks, Nathan Niehaus
Talent-wise, we are absolutely loaded at O-line. This gives me some hope that we may much better than expected, as football analysts often focus too much on skill positions and too little on the guys in the trenches. That said, you can make a good argument that our O-line underperformed for 1.5 out of the last 2 seasons. We looked very good at the end of 2015, but then the O-line struggled again in 2016.
Walt Wells may be the most integral position coach this year. Last season, we basically had 3 O-line coaches (Mahoney, DeBord, and Wells) and it didn’t work out very well. Can Wells succeed where Mahoney / DeBord failed?
It’s rare to see true Freshmen that can start on the O-line and be successful, but Trey Smith already looks like he’s 23 years old. And it’s not just his body that has developed early. He’s very mature and will make an excellent leader on this unit.
We probably have the best situation we’ve had at Tackle during the entire Butch Jones era. Drew Richmond is looking like the starting Left Tackle, R-Sr Brett Kendrick is solid, and Marcus Tatum has been better than expected. Technically, we have a few more guys who could shift over to Tackle as well. The only negative is that we’ve lost Chance Hall for the season; it’s a big blow, but at least we have a lot of depth right now.
I’m optimistic that this could be one of the best O-lines in the SEC this season. Given that we’re breaking in a lot of new starters at skill positions, O-line play is going to be key to offensive success this year. If the O-line underperforms again, we’re in trouble. If this unit can play to its potential, though, it’s going to make the transition a lot easier.
Defensive Line
Grade: B+
Ceiling: A
Floor: C
Starters: Darrell Taylor (DE), J. Kongbo (DE), K. McKenzie (DT), Kendal Vickers (DT)
Backups: Quay Picou (DT), Kyle Phillips (DE), Shy Tuttle (DT)
In spite of losing Derek Barnett and Corey Vereen, we still have a lot of talent on the D-line. I’ve been waiting a few seasons to see Darrell Taylor get some major action; he’s an athletic freak and has the potential to be great. Reports are that Kongbo is looking pretty good, as well. Not to mention Kyle Phillips could have a big impact, too. We might not outperform last year’s Barnett-Vereen combo, but we won’t drop off much either.
On the inside, we look reasonably good with Kahlil McKenzie, Kendal Vickers, and Quay Picou. The two big questions are can we get Shy Tuttle back at full-strength and can Alexis Johnson turn into a legit option. IMO, Shy Tuttle is one of the most elite defensive players in the country when healthy; unfortunately, we haven’t had him healthy for an entire season yet.
D-line could end up being a source of strength this year, but I’ll play a bit conservative and give us a “B+” given that we’re breaking in new starters and there are still some question marks with injuries and player improvement.
Linebackers
Grade: B-
Ceiling: B+
Floor: D
Starters: Darrin Kirkland, Cortez McDowell
Backups: Colton Jumper, Daniel Bituli, Quart’e Sapp, Elliott Berry, Will Ignont, Austin Smith
Last preseason, Linebacker depth was my biggest concern. This preseason, LBs are still one of my bigger concerns. The GT game particularly worries me as we’re likely going to have to play 3 linebackers most of the game and that’s not to our advantage.
If Darrin Kirkland is back and healthy, that’s a huge benefit for us. After Kirkland, though, there’s not another top-notch LB on our roster. Cortez McDowell currently looks like the other starter at LB. A healthy Quart’e Sapp, however, could make a push for the other starting spot, as well.
The one thing I can say is that I do feel better about the overall depth this season. A lot of guys gained valuable experience last year after we got destroyed by injuries. Would be nice to see Sapp or Bituli emerge this year, but I have to think there are some big question marks in this group until I see otherwise.
Secondary
Grade: A-
Ceiling: A
Floor: B
Starters: Rashaan Gaulden (N), Shaq Wiggins (CB), Justin Martin (CB), Nigel Warrior (S), Todd Kelly Jr (S)
Backups: Baylen Buchanan, Evan Berry, Micah Abernathy, Marquill Osborne, E. Moseley
Some might knock my grade here, but Charlton Warren was my favorite off-season coaching hire. He was excellent at UNC. I also think secondary is the position group where we look the most well-stocked on defense. We significantly underperformed last season; that was partly due to injuries and partly due to coaching. I’m optimistic that both of these problems are now remedied.
I really like our Safeties! I view Nigel Warrior and TK Jr as one of the most solid parts of our defense. We have good starters at every position and great depth as well with guys like Baylen Buchanan, Evan Berry, Marquill Osborne, and Micah Abernathy in the rotation.
Ok, so there are still some question marks after last season and maybe I’m being overly optimistic, but I really do expect this unit to improve quite a bit. Certainly, I have fewer concerns about it than I do at LB.
First, let's do the short version:
Offense
Quarterbacks: B+
Running Backs: B+
Wide Receivers: B-
Tight Ends: B+
Offensive Line: A-
In spite of struggles last season, the O-line should be the strength of this offense. If it’s not, that’s a problem, as we are absolutely loaded talent-wise. Quarterbacks show great promise, but don’t have a lot of experience. Similar situation IMO at Running Back (outside of John Kelly), but I’m optimistic about the group we have and think Chandler could be pretty good. I suspect we might be a bit slow coming out the gate with so many inexperienced players and new coaches, but that we’ll find our way over the course of the season. Depth at the Wide Receiver is my biggest concern.
Defense
Defensive Line: B+
Linebackers: B-
Secondary: A-
Our defense could dramatically improve this season. We were hobbled last season by having lost more starts due to injuries than any other FBS program. While we lose some greats such as Derek Barnett, our D-line has a lot of talent if only we can avoid the injury bug. Our secondary, at least on paper, looks loaded. If Charlton Warren can improve the coaching, expect a big improvement with D-backs. The LB position is my biggest concern.
Special Teams: A-
If there’s anywhere we’ve been consistently good during the Butch Jones era, its special teams. Hopefully that continues in 2017. We bring back Senior Kicker Aaron Medley, as well as Senior Punter Trevor Daniel. Evan Berry is back and we should have some intriguing other options for returners, as well.
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Now for the extended cut!
Quarterbacks
Overall: B+
Ceiling: A+
Floor: C
1st String: Quinten Dormady
2nd String: Jarrett Guarantano
3rd String: Will McBride
According to college football media, this is the worst QB situation we’ve had since 2013. I’m willing to wager that the media is significantly underrating us in this regard. We have not one, but two, very good QB prospects in Dormady and Guarantano. There’s a good chance that both could prove to be better passers than Josh Dobbs. At the same time, it’s unlikely that either will be able to replace Dobbs’ running production. Dobbs was our leading rusher last season with 831 yards on 150 carries. Those stats significantly understate his production since sacks count against rushing yards in the NCAA; and Dobbs was sacked 25 times last season. Factor that in and Dobbs was likely a 1,000+ yard rusher.
Dormady has shown a strong arm, great accuracy, and good judgment. Guarantano also has a strong arm and has shown good accuracy. Right now, it seems as if Dormady leads the race, but it’s close. Both these guys have the potential to be special.
The hiring of Mike Canales has had a positive impact on our QBs. IMO Dobbs’ inconsistent performance in the passing game can partly be attributed to a lack of emphasis on the position. Canales immediately came in and changed this and has tried to correct some of the issues (such as poor footwork). It’ll take some time to judge Canales, but for now, I see him as a major upgrade over the previous situation.
Overall, I’d put us in the 2nd tier of SEC QBs with South Carolina (Jake Bentley), Georgia (Jacob Eason), and Mizzou (Drew Lock), right behind the more proven commodities (Jalen Hurts, Jarrett Stidham at Auburn, Nick Fitzgerald at Miss State), with potential to move up into that 1st tier.
On one hand, it's easy to say that there are other teams out there with a better QB situation. On the other hand, I’d have a difficult time saying that I would trade QD and JG for anyone else in the SEC. I'm that high on both players' potential.
Running Backs
Overall: B+
Ceiling: A
Floor: C
Starters: John Kelly (undisputed), Ty Chandler
Back-ups: Carlin Fils-Aime, Tim Jordan
John Kelly doesn’t get enough respect from the national media, but he averaged 5.8 yards per carry last season and had a knack for finding the end zone. From a statistical perspective, Kelly has been a much better rusher than Jalen Hurd. The only downside is that he’s not nearly the prolific receiver that Kamara or Hurd were. I feel very good with John Kelly overall. The big question mark is “what do we have behind him?”
The early indications look positive for highly recruited talent Ty Chandler. I have a hunch he’s going to be our #2 RB this season. Sounds like Chandler can also catch the ball, which should help, particularly given that we'll probably be throwing the ball more this season. Nevertheless, until we see Chandler out on the field, it’s a bit early to get too excited. For now, we'll say he looks like he's got great potential and could be an immediate contributor.
Tim Jordan, like John Kelly, was a lightly recruited 3-star RB, who may have been underrated by the analysts. Jordan has been getting some rave reviews. If nothing else, he'll hopefully add some quality depth.
Sophomore Carlin Fils-Aime remains a bit of a question mark. He didn’t get major playing time last season in any meaningful games, so difficult to know what we’ve got. Hoping he steps us this year, but doesn’t feel like we’ve heard much yet.
As far as coaching goes, I’d consider Robert Gillespie to be our most proven position coach. The running game has consistently been strong under him, even under less than ideal circumstances with the O-line in 2014 and 2015.
Overall, there are lots of reasons for optimism with this group, but also some question marks given that we mostly have unknown commodities. We’ll have a much better sense of what we have at RB after September is over. For now, I’d say we’re about a “B+” and likely also in the 2nd tier of the SEC behind teams like LSU (Guice) and Georgia (Chubb, Michel).
Wide Receivers
Overall: B-
Ceiling: B+
Floor: D
Starters: J. Jennings, Tyler Byrd, Marquez Calloway
Backups: Josh Smith, Brandon Johnson, Latrell Johnson, Josh Palmer, Jeff George
Like much of the offense this season, it’s probably going to take a few games before we know what we have at WR. We lose Josh Malone, who was our leading receiver last season with 50 receptions, 972 yards, and 11 TDs, including an impressive 19 yards per catch.
Jauan Jennings is our obvious new #1 receiver this season. JJ is still significantly underrated on a national level. Beyond JJ, it’s less certain what we have, but we do have some promising young players, including most notably Tyler Byrd, who amassed 15 catches and 209 yds in 2016 during his Freshman campaign (after switching over from defense) and Marquez Calloway, who saw limited action last season. We bring back Senior Josh Smith, who had a bit of a disappointing season last year, but was much more productive in 2015. Sophomore Brandon Johnson saw limited action last season (4 games, 7 recs, 93 yards), but is likely to make a bigger contribution this year. We have R-Freshman speedster Latrell Williams, who may turn into a threat at some point. And Freshman Josh Palmer has drawn some positive reviews.
We lose WR coach Zach Azzanni, who I believe was significantly underrated. We replaced him with Kevin Beard, who we just don’t know much about yet. I’m not pessimistic on Beard by any stretch, but I do think it’s a “wait-and-see” type deal.
Overall, though, WRs concerns me more than any other offensive position group. I don’t think we’re bad by any means, but it’s the group with the most question marks. I also think an injury to Jennings would be likely to have a significantly negative impact on the offense, as he may be our only major big-play threat.
Would love to hear other perspectives, though.
Tight Ends
Grade: B+
Ceiling: A
Floor: C
Starter: Ethan Wolf
Backups: Jakob Johnson, Latrell Bumphus, Eli Wolf
TEs have been under-utilized for much of the Butch Jones Era. Hoping to see that change with Larry Scott being promoted to OC. Senior Ethan Wolf is back as our starter. His brother, Eli, just earned a scholarship. Jakob Johnson’s hard-work appears to finally be paying off during his Senior year, and he’s drawing very positive reviews from the coaches. True Freshman LaTrell Bumphus was recruited by most programs at Defensive End, but Larry Scott saw him as a Tight End. Bumphus is thus far drawing rave reviews.
Overall, I feel reasonably good about Tight End. If Jakob Johnson’s improvement catching the ball turns out to be legit, we have some options.
Offensive Line
Grade: A-
Ceiling: A+
Floor: C
Starters: Drew Richmond (LT), Jack Jones (LG), Jashon Robertson (C), Trey Smith (RG), Brett Kendrick (RT)
Backups: Venzell Boulware, Coleman Thomas, Ryan Johnson, Marcus Tatum, Devante Brooks, Nathan Niehaus
Talent-wise, we are absolutely loaded at O-line. This gives me some hope that we may much better than expected, as football analysts often focus too much on skill positions and too little on the guys in the trenches. That said, you can make a good argument that our O-line underperformed for 1.5 out of the last 2 seasons. We looked very good at the end of 2015, but then the O-line struggled again in 2016.
Walt Wells may be the most integral position coach this year. Last season, we basically had 3 O-line coaches (Mahoney, DeBord, and Wells) and it didn’t work out very well. Can Wells succeed where Mahoney / DeBord failed?
It’s rare to see true Freshmen that can start on the O-line and be successful, but Trey Smith already looks like he’s 23 years old. And it’s not just his body that has developed early. He’s very mature and will make an excellent leader on this unit.
We probably have the best situation we’ve had at Tackle during the entire Butch Jones era. Drew Richmond is looking like the starting Left Tackle, R-Sr Brett Kendrick is solid, and Marcus Tatum has been better than expected. Technically, we have a few more guys who could shift over to Tackle as well. The only negative is that we’ve lost Chance Hall for the season; it’s a big blow, but at least we have a lot of depth right now.
I’m optimistic that this could be one of the best O-lines in the SEC this season. Given that we’re breaking in a lot of new starters at skill positions, O-line play is going to be key to offensive success this year. If the O-line underperforms again, we’re in trouble. If this unit can play to its potential, though, it’s going to make the transition a lot easier.
Defensive Line
Grade: B+
Ceiling: A
Floor: C
Starters: Darrell Taylor (DE), J. Kongbo (DE), K. McKenzie (DT), Kendal Vickers (DT)
Backups: Quay Picou (DT), Kyle Phillips (DE), Shy Tuttle (DT)
In spite of losing Derek Barnett and Corey Vereen, we still have a lot of talent on the D-line. I’ve been waiting a few seasons to see Darrell Taylor get some major action; he’s an athletic freak and has the potential to be great. Reports are that Kongbo is looking pretty good, as well. Not to mention Kyle Phillips could have a big impact, too. We might not outperform last year’s Barnett-Vereen combo, but we won’t drop off much either.
On the inside, we look reasonably good with Kahlil McKenzie, Kendal Vickers, and Quay Picou. The two big questions are can we get Shy Tuttle back at full-strength and can Alexis Johnson turn into a legit option. IMO, Shy Tuttle is one of the most elite defensive players in the country when healthy; unfortunately, we haven’t had him healthy for an entire season yet.
D-line could end up being a source of strength this year, but I’ll play a bit conservative and give us a “B+” given that we’re breaking in new starters and there are still some question marks with injuries and player improvement.
Linebackers
Grade: B-
Ceiling: B+
Floor: D
Starters: Darrin Kirkland, Cortez McDowell
Backups: Colton Jumper, Daniel Bituli, Quart’e Sapp, Elliott Berry, Will Ignont, Austin Smith
Last preseason, Linebacker depth was my biggest concern. This preseason, LBs are still one of my bigger concerns. The GT game particularly worries me as we’re likely going to have to play 3 linebackers most of the game and that’s not to our advantage.
If Darrin Kirkland is back and healthy, that’s a huge benefit for us. After Kirkland, though, there’s not another top-notch LB on our roster. Cortez McDowell currently looks like the other starter at LB. A healthy Quart’e Sapp, however, could make a push for the other starting spot, as well.
The one thing I can say is that I do feel better about the overall depth this season. A lot of guys gained valuable experience last year after we got destroyed by injuries. Would be nice to see Sapp or Bituli emerge this year, but I have to think there are some big question marks in this group until I see otherwise.
Secondary
Grade: A-
Ceiling: A
Floor: B
Starters: Rashaan Gaulden (N), Shaq Wiggins (CB), Justin Martin (CB), Nigel Warrior (S), Todd Kelly Jr (S)
Backups: Baylen Buchanan, Evan Berry, Micah Abernathy, Marquill Osborne, E. Moseley
Some might knock my grade here, but Charlton Warren was my favorite off-season coaching hire. He was excellent at UNC. I also think secondary is the position group where we look the most well-stocked on defense. We significantly underperformed last season; that was partly due to injuries and partly due to coaching. I’m optimistic that both of these problems are now remedied.
I really like our Safeties! I view Nigel Warrior and TK Jr as one of the most solid parts of our defense. We have good starters at every position and great depth as well with guys like Baylen Buchanan, Evan Berry, Marquill Osborne, and Micah Abernathy in the rotation.
Ok, so there are still some question marks after last season and maybe I’m being overly optimistic, but I really do expect this unit to improve quite a bit. Certainly, I have fewer concerns about it than I do at LB.