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I have read many of the posts in this forum and can understand the digruntled attitude of we the fans. I do not believe however that the problem lies in recruiting or even in game day sideline management. The problem lies in player development. We finish consistently in the top ten nationally in recruiting but how many of the players never make an impact. The list is very long. Daniel Brooks, Chris Donald, Kenny Oneal, David Holbert, and even Eric Ainge until Cutcliffe returned are all examples of 4 and 5 star players who didnt or havent developed. Take a look at the last 5 years of any top 100 recruit list. Look at what happens to the recruits at Florida LSU Oklahoma. They get better and stay on the national rader. Many of Tennessee's recruits disappear. Crompton is an example of a player that has not improved. Boise State is in the top twenty with 2 and 3 star recruits. We are 2-4 with 4 and 5 star recruits...get my point.
 
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Ainge had one bad year. He had 17 TD passes his freshman year and missed the final 4 games which broke Peyton's record.
 
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ricks995 said:
I have read many of the posts in this forum and can understand the digruntled attitude of we the fans. I do not believe however that the problem lies in recruiting or even in game day sideline management. The problem lies in player development. We finish consistently in the top ten nationally in recruiting but how many of the players never make an impact. The list is very long. Daniel Brooks, Chris Donald, Kenny Oneal, David Holbert, and even Eric Ainge until Cutcliffe returned are all examples of 4 and 5 star players who didnt or havent developed. Take a look at the last 5 years of any top 100 recruit list. Look at what happens to the recruits at Florida LSU Oklahoma. They get better and stay on the national rader. Many of Tennessee's recruits disappear. Crompton is an example of a player that has not improved. Boise State is in the top twenty with 2 and 3 star recruits. We are 2-4 with 4 and 5 star recruits...get my point.
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I agree with you 100% about player development, and that overall recruiting is not the problem..........however, where I disagree with you is that I also think our coahces are piss-poor at game management, game-day decisions, game-day preparation/ strategy, and overall discipline in the program..........did I mention motivation?? there is no heart, fire, or emotion is this team at all........makes you wonder how bad we really miss Trooper Taylor, who could get a hermit PUMPED UP with his ENERGY, ENTHUSIASM, and CHEST BUMPS!!!!!!
 
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I think for so long in the 90's, the coaching staff did not really have to worry about developing players. Welcome Mr. 1997 4* recruit. It is up to you to develop. Not the coaching staff. If not, then we will have another 4* recruit next year at your position ready to see what he can do.

Trouble is, these recruiting beds are drying up since 98 and the coaching, or lack of, is really showing now. Not saying players were not bust in the 90;s. It was just easier to overcome from a standpoint of position quality. Today, if a D-Lineman is a bust, it is widely seen for a year, two or four since there is not the quality to replace him immediately.
 
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That is just the beginning of the train coming off the tracks!!! Won't happen soon enough!!!
 
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Jefw said:
I think for so long in the 90's, the coaching staff did not really have to worry about developing players. Welcome Mr. 1997 4* recruit. It is up to you to develop. Not the coaching staff. If not, then we will have another 4* recruit next year at your position ready to see what he can do.

Trouble is, these recruiting beds are drying up since 98 and the coaching, or lack of, is really showing now. Not saying players were not bust in the 90;s. It was just easier to overcome from a standpoint of position quality. Today, if a D-Lineman is a bust, it is widely seen for a year, two or four since there is not the quality to replace him immediately.
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that is a great point!! also, Phoolmer alwasy talks about position competition, even though alot of it is FAKE and we all know it, it's like they have NO other way to motivate players to develop and become great unless they are not sure if they have the starting job, that's rediculous!! I know tons of athletes in other sports that have no competition to play, but the coach MOTIVATES them to become great............these coaches BLOW!!!!! FIRE EM!!! hohh!!
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Parity has made player development so much more important. Loss of scholarships has brought the recruiting giants back to the pack. Our hotbeds of Georgia South Carolina and Louisiana have dried up. Richt and Miles get those players now. We are even being trumped in NC by Butch Davis so now we have to get the most out of every crucial recruit and we dont do that and may have never done that. It is just now beginning to show up. I dont think Fulmer has ever been a great tactician. He was a great recruiter and our numbers (players) beat your numbers.
 
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ricks995 said:
Parity has made player development so much more important. Loss of scholarships has brought the recruiting giants back to the pack. Our hotbeds of Georgia South Carolina and Louisiana have dried up. Richt and Miles get those players now. We are even being trumped in NC by Butch Davis so now we have to get the most out of every crucial recruit and we dont do that and may have never done that. It is just now beginning to show up. I dont think Fulmer has ever been a great tactician. He was a great recruiter and our numbers (players) beat your numbers.
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also, his in=state recruiting has dried up too........we've lost soo many good TN recruits in the past 4 or 5 years its' crazy!!! just look around, Alabama, Notre Dame, Kentucky, Georgia, North Carolina, Miami are all stealing our top players..........it's ok if they take the losers, but they're taking most of the top players now.........bc/ the TN recruits have known for awhile that TN football is not exciting, and that the coaches are SUBPAR........
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Consider Kyrus Lankster and Randall Cobb at UK. It is my understanding that we didnt recruit either one of them however we did recruit Rae Sykes who cant qualify. Lankster and Cobb will be major stars at UK and are in Fulmers backyard!
 
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ricks995 said:
Golden Tate (From TN) is going to be a major star at ND and is catching passes fron a Clawson:rolleyes:
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yes, the sad state of our football ineptitudes and recruiting troubles can be traced to BAD in-state recruiting.........here's a list of the past 2 years, plus this upcoming recruiting season (commitments so far) of players that were top 15-20 prominent players that we lost out on...........when you see this list, it will make u sick...........last year, Alabama got 3 of the top 5 recruits from TN, pitiful.........

let me list what i can remember:

Notre Dame - Golden Tate, Alex Bullard, Harrison Smith
Alabama - Donte Hightower, Barrett Jones, Chris Jordan, Alex Watkins,
LSU - Alex Hurst
Georgia - Austin Long
Miami - Greg Cooper, Gavin Hardin, Antonio Harper
Kentucky - Randall Cobb
USC - Patrick Turner
Georgia Tech - Will Jackson
Wisconsin - Curt Phillips
Florida State - David Spurlock
North Carolina - Michael Mcadoo, Rashad Mason
Auburn - AJ Green
Michigan State - Jared Mcgaha
Ole Miss - more than they should
Vanderbilt - more than they should
Memphis - more than they should
 
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sickemsmokey10 said:
Patrick Turner was class of 05
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yes, didn't think anyone would notice!! oops........but he was the #1 overall receiver prospect in the country.......think he was abit overrated, but he's still a pretty good player, i think.........we could have used him, that's the POINT!! :lolabove:
 
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To be fair, David Holbert has had his share of serious injuries. It wouldn't be fair to say he hasn't developed when he may have to fight just to walk normally again.
 
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How about its just bad coaching. Here's an example of why.

Our coaches don't play the best players, in fact they can't even keep track of their players anymore.

Remember the Bama game last year when Hardesty didn't play and the coaching staff was asked why??

The answer the coaches gave was.. "Did he not play?... i didn't even realize that"
 
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VolSwaff said:
How about its just bad coaching. Here's an example of why.

Our coaches don't play the best players, in fact they can't even keep track of their players anymore.

Remember the Bama game last year when Hardesty didn't play and the coaching staff was asked why??

The answer the coaches gave was.. "Did he not play?... i didn't even realize that"
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And don't forget the fact that we consistently put people in the pros year after year. some were stars at UT and went first round. some seemed to be drafted higher than they should've at the time.

There is two sides to the story, but let me give you the side of the story to support this arguement. If you disagree, you can give me yours.

Jerod Mayo and Justin Harrell. We all know Mayo left early, and I know Harrell was hurt his senior year. Their raw talent was recognized by the best in the biz, and their respective teams took both of them way before late first round like most thought.

-Wouldn't it been nice if we could've developed them sooner like Donta Hightower at Alabama. You can't tell me that the switch just suddenly went off their junior year. Something was there all along i bet.

Adrian Peterson, Reggie Bush, and Michael Crabtree go early and their fans say thanks for National Championships and top 5 rankings. We sit back and say, damn, I wish they would've stayed longer.
 
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tabrams said:
I agree with you 100% about player development, and that overall recruiting is not the problem..........however, where I disagree with you is that I also think our coahces are piss-poor at game management, game-day decisions, game-day preparation/ strategy, and overall discipline in the program..........did I mention motivation?? there is no heart, fire, or emotion is this team at all........makes you wonder how bad we really miss Trooper Taylor, who could get a hermit PUMPED UP with his ENERGY, ENTHUSIASM, and CHEST BUMPS!!!!!!
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Trooper is not the coach we miss. Coach Cutt is the noe we miss. Trooper was a glorified Cheerleader. Everything else i agree with you 100%. Spot on.
 
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I agree with most of the original posters points.(except for game day management)
Shining example: David Martin was a Receiver at UT in the late 90's. Although a decent receiver he was a bit slow. Many then thought he should be moved to tight end. He was drafted by Green Bay in 2001 and converted to TE. Although not a star TE he was very productive backing up Bubba Franks. He is now the starting TE for the Miami Dolphins. Had the coaches seen that he was better suited for TE he could've been dominant in college at that position.

A lot of players are no better when they leave then they are when they get here. In fact some regress( Arian Foster). If you ain't got it when you get here you sure as Heck(I've got to quit saying that) ain't gonna have it when you leave.
 
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