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The morr I think about it the more I see just how many issues there are than just coaching mistakes.
I'm not sure what's going.on with the defense (or is Maggit and Gaulden THAT big of a difference?) but I think about how Dobbs isn't a threat downfield. He's smart but inaccurate at times and doesn't always see the open guys.
I think about how disappointing the WRs are. North in and out, Pig in and out and now gone. Croom still out. Pearson and Smitg were slow recovering and Jennings and Williams are freshmen who started late. That's crazy. No wonder none of them are performing well and getting in a rythtm.
The rub game has improved alot but as much as I don't likr Mahoney, it is what it is! These SRs shouldn't be this bad.
To make things worse even Medley sucks. I know I know, great in the 1st half then no adjustments... and I.know this sounds doom and gloom...
But I'm still putting faith in these players. Despite some poor coaching I think they just havent turned the corner on am individual level. At least the coaching staff said "hey we aren't winning running it down ther throats, we gotta be able to pass againdt UGA and Bama... and its not working.
I love these players and hope they get.it turned around! (Altho I'm hearing the.practices have been "lifeless")
 
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read and listen to what some of the guys paid to discuss these things are saying. 1/2 the most productive and talented guys on the roster are in their 1st or 2nd year in college...young guys make mistakes and sometimes they are catastrophic in the game of football. The coaching could be a bit better / more aggressive but the team was in position to win all 3 games...the first 2 were lost in the final minutes which bodes well with the young guys make mistakes meme. Arkansas was, in my opinion way back, the hardest game due to their style of play...and they flat out, wore out the D front seven...poor tackling didn't help either but I did believe this one was going to be a slugfest and it was.

Listen to some of the talking heads not berating the coaching staff...some of which I believe is only piling on and trying to create controversy. There are some level headed guys who point out most of the VOLS problems are due to depth and inexperience....doesn't bode well for those who can only see it one way, but there are enough guys saying it to make it at least worth serious consideration.
 
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I think if people took the time to watch every play, offense, defense, special teams and wrote down what they see folks might come to a different set of conclusions.

In the first half we had a punt return TD called back on a block in the back, a freshman wr fumbling the ball at the opponents 13 yd. line and a missed FG. The defense didn't just give up big plays, they were total busts, missed tackles, one where their RB goes into the end zone untouched on an inside run.

There were good things too, I'm only going to mention one here because I don't want to ruin the pity party for VN members in a bad mood...The play of Tuttle and McKenzie is light years ahead of where they were at the beginning of the season...of course the stats back that up too.

I agree with the OP on the injuries he mentioned too, Maggitt and Gaulden are missed, Gaulden was getting rave reviews if I recall. Obviously, losing your most productive returning WR is big, but think about his contributions on run plays and coming across the formation and faking that action. That was a big part of what we did last year, I think Jennings could do that, but that's why I don't make the big bucks. Maybe we can't afford to get him hurt.

We have improved the talent, but not across the board and not in terms of depth which explains at least to a small degree why we falter later in the game.

Not going to cut the coach any slack on the mistakes he's made because he's made some, but everyone does.

just my 2 cents.
 
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vol66 said:
I think if people took the time to watch every play, offense, defense, special teams and wrote down what they see folks might come to a different set of conclusions.

In the first half we had a punt return TD called back on a block in the back, a freshman wr fumbling the ball at the opponents 13 yd. line and a missed FG. The defense didn't just give up big plays, they were total busts, missed tackles, one where their RB goes into the end zone untouched on an inside run.

There were good things too, I'm only going to mention one here because I don't want to ruin the pity party for VN members in a bad mood...The play of Tuttle and McKenzie is light years ahead of where they were at the beginning of the season...of course the stats back that up too.

I agree with the OP on the injuries he mentioned too, Maggitt and Gaulden are missed, Gaulden was getting rave reviews if I recall. Obviously, losing your most productive returning WR is big, but think about his contributions on run plays and coming across the formation and faking that action. That was a big part of what we did last year, I think Jennings could do that, but that's why I don't make the big bucks. Maybe we can't afford to get him hurt.

We have improved the talent, but not across the board and not in terms of depth which explains at least to a small degree why we falter later in the game.

Not going to cut the coach any slack on the mistakes he's made because he's made some, but everyone does.

just my 2 cents.
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Excellent post. Totally agree. This team isn't as bad as it seems and still isn't as good as those that say they should be 5-0 if it weren't for the coaches think. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. Saturday is another big opportunity to get over the hump.
 
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Yep, OtherGuy, JC1 and vol66, lacking in enough depth and experience to win games that coulda' woulda' shoulda' been won otherwise can make the coaches look stupid to those who aren't paying attention to these two common problems. I'd say better execution by these neophytes would've made these moves look smarter. Let's figure CBJ, et al, will somehow start looking smarter as these guys mature and there's a deeper bench and some healthier starters running in and out for four quarters. Thanks for this thread, Other Guy. Those touch screens are indeed monsters. I normally have to edit after posting via my Android.
 
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Problem is the team IS talented enough right now to win but they lack leadership from the coaches. It's not a depth issue. Florida and Arkansas had more depth on offense than TN ? Bull crackers. AR alone was missing 4 top players on offense. Dooley couldn't recruit but except for Sal(thank you Dave Hart) he had a better staff.
 
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Everything seems to think they have an reasonable excuse for the team... The bottom line is that we are 2-3... And the excuses are pathetic..
 
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Volhoops said:
Problem is the team IS talented enough right now to win but they lack leadership from the coaches. It's not a depth issue. Florida and Arkansas had more depth on offense than TN ? Bull crackers. AR alone was missing 4 top players on offense. Dooley couldn't recruit but except for Sal(thank you Dave Hart) he had a better staff.
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Lol, if you watched the game on tv you probably saw the graphic. Arkansas' OL is not only the biggest OL in College football, they are bigger than any NFL OL's.

Again, I'd urge folks to re-watch the games and look to see what goes wrong and what goes right. Something I didn't post above, I just forgot...We have guys dropping well thrown balls, and there are not a lot of those, several times Dobbs put simple swing passes down at the RB's feet or off target completely, there are times when his footwork is bad, on a roll out for instance he gains almost no depth, another time on what seemed like a designed roll out either Kerbyson or Wolfe or both didn't get a guy and Dobbs has to throw the ball away.

You can blame all of that on the coaches if you want to, the buck stops with the head man. Me, no need to blame anybody, but the players need to take pride in their performance.
 
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JC61 said:
read and listen to what some of the guys paid to discuss these things are saying. 1/2 the most productive and talented guys on the roster are in their 1st or 2nd year in college...young guys make mistakes and sometimes they are catastrophic in the game of football. The coaching could be a bit better / more aggressive but the team was in position to win all 3 games...the first 2 were lost in the final minutes which bodes well with the young guys make mistakes meme. Arkansas was, in my opinion way back, the hardest game due to their style of play...and they flat out, wore out the D front seven...poor tackling didn't help either but I did believe this one was going to be a slugfest and it was.

Listen to some of the talking heads not berating the coaching staff...some of which I believe is only piling on and trying to create controversy. There are some level headed guys who point out most of the VOLS problems are due to depth and inexperience....doesn't bode well for those who can only see it one way, but there are enough guys saying it to make it at least worth serious consideration.
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Thank you! Think you nailed it about the young guys being our best players, something I pointed to last year. Who was our best.players last year besides AJ and Maggit?
SOPHMORE Sutton
SOPHMORE JRM
SOPHMORE Dobbs
SOPHMORE J Smith pre injury
FRESHMAN Hurd
FRESHMAN Robertson
FRESHMAN Barnett
FRESHMAN Wolf

Then how many wanted other young guys like Kelly and Berry to play over veterns? Maybe when it comes.to the upperclassmen... you get what you got? I love Randolph and McNeil to death, 2 of.my fav players, but lets be honest... they're STILL taking bad angles and are not very fast or as athletic as others .
Same as some of the OL... you want those younger blue chip guys playing... they arent there yet! Our WRs are a mess. Dobbs will improve but its apparenty he's just an average qb who is smart and can kill you with his feet... but he might not lead the.team to a come from behind victory against a good D. I see several good players who aren't there yet, or will never be.elite. Love these kids tho.
 
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You are what your record says you are. In 1998, we won three very losable games against Syracuse, Florida, and Arkansas. We were "lucky" in all three of those games. But they weren't Losses partly due to Aggressive coaching, and partly due to a team that was both mentally and physically tough. Team 119 is lacking in those key areas.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
You are what your record says you are. In 1998, we won three very losable games against Syracuse, Florida, and Arkansas. We were "lucky" in all three of those games. But they weren't Losses partly due to Aggressive coaching, and partly due to a team that was both mentally and physically tough. Team 119 is lacking in those key areas.
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Hard to argue there.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Thank you! Think you nailed it about the young guys being our best players, something I pointed to last year. Who was our best.players last year besides AJ and Maggit?
SOPHMORE Sutton
SOPHMORE JRM
SOPHMORE Dobbs
SOPHMORE J Smith pre injury
FRESHMAN Hurd
FRESHMAN Robertson
FRESHMAN Barnett
FRESHMAN Wolf

Then how many wanted other young guys like Kelly and Berry to play over veterns? Maybe when it comes.to the upperclassmen... you get what you got? I love Randolph and McNeil to death, 2 of.my fav players, but lets be honest... they're STILL taking bad angles and are not very fast or as athletic as others .
Same as some of the OL... you want those younger blue chip guys playing... they arent there yet! Our WRs are a mess. Dobbs will improve but its apparenty he's just an average qb who is smart and can kill you with his feet... but he might not lead the.team to a come from behind victory against a good D. I see several good players who aren't there yet, or will never be.elite. Love these kids tho.
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This is a website I use frequently, well every week I guess, usually to check out the talent of an upcoming opponent.

I have it dialed into Tennessee, but one can look at every NCAA team. This is a site that grades college players for the NFL draft and it changes week to week as do the depth charts and they do a pretty decent job of trying to maintain accuracy. Obviously, they are only grading kids that will be eligible for the NFL, and right now only Seniors have been posted, that will change to include juniors eventually.

2015 Tennessee Volunteers Football Depth Chart | Ourlads.com

Below is the color code which helps define which guys they think will go early, middle or late/priority free agency. It's also a good gauge of our opponents experience level compared to ours.

OP, hope you don't mind me putting this in the thread, but quite frankly, I'm a little tired of hearing about how these less talented teams are whipping our butts.

All 128 FBS Teams. UPDATES ARE ON GOING .Today: Wednesday October 7, 2015 10:30 AM EST : Depth Charts and Rosters are volatile and are currently being updated. There are always moving parts. COLOR CODES ARE BASED ON SUMMER GRADES; GREEN-EARLY ROUNDS 1/3,RED-MID ROUNDS 4/6,BLACK LATE ROUNDS & PRIORITY FREE AGENTS. PROSPECTS CAN BE ADDED OR DELETED ACCORDING TO 2015 PLAY. EARLY IN THE PROCESS. Currently Only Senior grades are posted.
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GreyWolf1129 said:
You are what your record says you are. In 1998, we won three very losable games against Syracuse, Florida, and Arkansas. We were "lucky" in all three of those games. But they weren't Losses partly due to Aggressive coaching, and partly due to a team that was both mentally and physically tough. Team 119 is lacking in those key areas.
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"Team 119 is lacking in those key areas."

I'm interested in why you think that is?
 
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I am not being sarcastic here, but the answer to your question will be apparent in the Georgia game.

Let me add to that. It's not that I don't believe the staff or the team can do it. I believe the talent is there. But I have seen nothing to this point to lead me to believe that the staff can get it turned around quickly enough. For the record, nothing would please me more than to have him prove me wrong, starting Saturday.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I am not being sarcastic here, but the answer to your question will be apparent in the Georgia game.

Let me add to that. It's not that I don't believe the staff or the team can do it. I believe the talent is there. But I have seen nothing to this point to lead me to believe that the staff can get it turned around quickly enough. For the record, nothing would please me more than to have him prove me wrong, starting Saturday.
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You compared this team to the '98 Championship team. Which current offensive lineman reminds you of Chad Clifton, Cosey Coleman, which LB on the current roster reminds you of Al Wilson, which wide out reminds you of Cedric Wilson and does Dobbs remind you of Tee Martin? How many big freshman contributors did we have on that team and finally, and this is big...Everyone of those skill guys not to mention Travis Henry, Travis Stephens and Jamal Lewis could take over a game at any time, almost by themselves.

Players make plays. Fulmer, Chavis and Cut didn't cause or recover Stoerner's fumble.

That's the difference, that and the fact that they were used to seeing other players like Manning impose their will on games, UF excluded sadly.
 
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vol66 said:
You compared this team to the '98 Championship team. Which current offensive lineman reminds you of Chad Clifton, Cosey Coleman, which LB on the current roster reminds you of Al Wilson, which wide out reminds you of Cedric Wilson and does Dobbs remind you of Tee Martin? How many big freshman contributors did we have on that team and finally, and this is big...Everyone of those skill guys not to mention Travis Henry, Travis Stephens and Jamal Lewis could take over a game at any time, almost by themselves.

Players make plays. Fulmer, Chavis and Cut didn't cause or recover Stoerner's fumble.

That's the difference, that and the fact that they were used to seeing other players like Manning impose their will on games, UF excluded sadly.
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No, I compared the coaching, and the mental and physical toughness of this team to the 1998 team. Three blown double-digit leads show that the talent to win is there. So what happened?

And you are right. There is no comparison.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
No, I compared the coaching, and the mental and physical toughness of this team to the 1998 team.

And you are right. There is no comparison.
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If that is your expectation then you are so far off the reservation you can't be helped.

Prayers sent.
 
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