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One thing I haven't seen anyone mention on here: as the season progresses, our depth increases.

Everyone is focused on attrition by injury and how devasting it could be to our thin-rostered team. No one seems to be factoring in that our "youngins" are becoming more and more seasoned, strengthened, and coached up as the year progresses.

Here's to hoping the freshmen grow to contribute at a pace in excess of our injuries.
 
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One thing I haven't seen anyone mention on here: as the season progresses, our depth increases.

Everyone is focused on attrition by injury and how devasting it could be to our thin-rostered team. No one seems to be factoring in that our "youngins" are becoming more and more seasoned, strengthened, and coached up as the year progresses.

Here's to hoping the freshmen grow to contribute at a pace in excess of our injuries.
That's a solid point. They're rotating a ton of players without a ton of drop off. Lot of youngins getting live reps.
 
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One thing I haven't seen anyone mention on here: as the season progresses, our depth increases.

Everyone is focused on attrition by injury and how devasting it could be to our thin-rostered team. No one seems to be factoring in that our "youngins" are becoming more and more seasoned, strengthened, and coached up as the year progresses.

Here's to hoping the freshmen grow to contribute at a pace in excess of our injuries.
Good point. Valid.
 
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Obviously these guys can't keep up with every position on every roster in CFB but this helps you visualize what UT has or doesn't have concerning depth. Notice they don't list Solomon though he, Bailey, and Eason for certain are bodies you could play. Garland and even the Fr McNeill have the size to help out.

There is lots of talk about the DL being "thin"... I just don't see it. I can remember 10 years ago when UT simply didn't have DT bodies on the roster.

They have 5 guys playing the two ILB spots.

There are guys like Rucker and maybe Hadden who have played some at DB in addition to those listed as the two deep.

2021 Tennessee Volunteers Football Depth Chart | Ourlads.com
 
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One thing I haven't seen anyone mention on here: as the season progresses, our depth increases.

Everyone is focused on attrition by injury and how devasting it could be to our thin-rostered team. No one seems to be factoring in that our "youngins" are becoming more and more seasoned, strengthened, and coached up as the year progresses.

Here's to hoping the freshmen grow to contribute at a pace in excess of our injuries.

Unless they are growing players in a lab we are still down 15-20 scholarship guys on the roster.

Vols really need to bring in 7-10 transfers and recruit 17-20 highschool kids to get the roster at least to 80 for next season.
 
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We all should know this is a tough league. We are aware that Alabama and Georgia are the elite teams and we play both of them. It will take some time to be as talented as those two teams are but it's possible to get there. In the mean time I'm enjoying watching this group of Volunteers grow and mature each week. By doing so we can continue to win some games and get better so we at some point can compete with the two I mentioned. We absolutely can win all our games other than GA and AL. I'm looking forward to beating South Carolina this coming Saturday. Go Volunteers!!!!!
 
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Unless they are growing players in a lab we are still down 15-20 scholarship guys on the roster.

Vols really need to bring in 7-10 transfers and recruit 17-20 highschool kids to get the roster at least to 80 for next season.
We will. If they allow us to sign up to 7 additional guys to replace the transfers we lost. We got get creative with more portal action.
 
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I'd be taking all the talent I can from Georgia and bama through the transfer portal. I'd take all the wide recievers from Oklahoma and Ohio state that I can as well
 
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Being able to play our Jr & Sr's and beensuccessful is to me, a great thing. SI every slot an upper classman? well no, but it allows us to develop,train,and teach our younger players what's expected before throwing them on the field and hoping for the best. Not everyone is going to be a Trevor Lawrence. That said I feel like our O line is 1 injury maybe 2 away from being razor thin. I've noticed some of our best players are players who didn't get a second glance during our last coaching stint. That shows me that we're able to develop and evaluate effectively.
 
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Unless they are growing players in a lab we are still down 15-20 scholarship guys on the roster.

Vols really need to bring in 7-10 transfers and recruit 17-20 highschool kids to get the roster at least to 80 for next season.
I've tried to explain this but haven't been able to do so.

MOST of the missing 14 scholarship players are NOT guys you would count as depth THIS year. Straight off the top UT had only 17 players in the '21 class. Most of the missing 8 were released from their LOI after the previous staff was fired. I probably wouldn't have done it considering the portal. If kids wanted to leave then they had that option AFTER meeting the new staff. But it is what it is.

Few if any of those missing 8 would be playing. They would be in development.

That leaves 6 guys. If half the guys on your roster are regular contributors then UT MAY be missing 3 contributors... but that's before you consider that they added guys from the portal too.... like the starting QB.

Essentially this is a "normal" team with a pretty good level of talent but with the bottom of the roster chopped off. The concern isn't depth this year as much as the guys who aren't there to replace those who will run out of eligibility in the next two years. Heupel has to be a master of the portal.
 
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You can rotate young or inferior talent in with teams like Mizzou and South Carolina, but won't work with top tier SEC teams. This is tough, tough league.

Unfortunately for us, that's true and will become evident when we bang heads with the rest of the SEC.
 
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I heard somewhere that we played something like 55 or 65 players in the Mizzou game. We only have 71 scholy players if we played 65 of them, wow.
 
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You can rotate young or inferior talent in with teams like Mizzou and South Carolina, but won't work with top tier SEC teams. This is tough, tough league.


South Carolina and Mizzou have been punching Tennessee in the mouth,
in recent years, let’s beat South Carolina again this year and gain momentum for the rest of the season. (No more injuries please).

Go Vols
 
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Unless they are growing players in a lab we are still down 15-20 scholarship guys on the roster.

Vols really need to bring in 7-10 transfers and recruit 17-20 highschool kids to get the roster at least to 80 for next season.
The NCAA today announced 32 is the max recruit number for 2022 class. Added seven slots.
 
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The NCAA today announced 32 is the max recruit number for 2022 class. Added seven slots.
Seven transfers + 25. Hence the 7-10 transfers and 17-20(I guess 25 now) highschool kids needed. Assuming the NCAA gives us time served and good behavior for the Pruitt debacle.
 
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I've tried to explain this but haven't been able to do so.

MOST of the missing 14 scholarship players are NOT guys you would count as depth THIS year. Straight off the top UT had only 17 players in the '21 class. Most of the missing 8 were released from their LOI after the previous staff was fired. I probably wouldn't have done it considering the portal. If kids wanted to leave then they had that option AFTER meeting the new staff. But it is what it is.

Few if any of those missing 8 would be playing. They would be in development.

That leaves 6 guys. If half the guys on your roster are regular contributors then UT MAY be missing 3 contributors... but that's before you consider that they added guys from the portal too.... like the starting QB.

Essentially this is a "normal" team with a pretty good level of talent but with the bottom of the roster chopped off. The concern isn't depth this year as much as the guys who aren't there to replace those who will run out of eligibility in the next two years. Heupel has to be a master of the portal.

Vols had 35 guys transfer out since September of 2020. And replaced them with 10 inbound transfers. If it wasn’t for the Covid year super SRs the Vols wouldn’t be able to fill out a team. As it is we are still down an entire recruiting class (25) guys and have 21 SRs in the 2 deep.

Even if half the SRs are able to come back (10) and no one leaves early we are still barely breaking even on the roster.

So instead of being down “3” contributors we are really closer to 10 minimum despite the incoming transfers. So 10 out of a 44 2 deep is almost a quarter of your contributors. And it really shows up with the Oline and back 7 on D. Granted Heupel and his staff have worked a miracle transformation with this program, and they deserve all the respect in the world for pulling it off so far but realize that depth this year and likely for the next 3 years moving forward is and will be an issue.
 
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Vols had 35 guys transfer out since September of 2020. And replaced them with 10 inbound transfers. If it wasn’t for the Covid year super SRs the Vols wouldn’t be able to fill out a team. As it is we are still down an entire recruiting class (25) guys and have 21 SRs in the 2 deep.
UT is down 14 scholarship players and again... all from the development years.

And so what if they were "saved" by the Covid Super Srs... that doesn't change the talent LEFT ON THE ROSTER. You don't play with or worry about the guys who are gone. You coach and field the team you have. According to 247's composite... UT is 7th in the SEC... not last... not close to last. UT has 29 total 4/5* players. USCe has 23. Ole Miss has 20. UK has 21. MU has 9. Vandy has 5.

You can argue ifs, buts, and caveats but UT is not currently a depleted roster with no one to enable good coaching to field a competitive team.

Even if half the SRs are able to come back (10) and no one leaves early we are still barely breaking even on the roster.
Unless my math failed me, if all the guys listed here recently as Srs leave UT will have 81 scholarship players if they use all 25 scholarships available. I don't know all the rules but UT may be able to back count some guys after taking only 17 last class.

The key is the portal. Heupel has to win there. The more he wins THIS YEAR WITH THIS ROSTER the better his case is to portal players.

So instead of being down “3” contributors we are really closer to 10 minimum despite the incoming transfers.
You haven't shown that. You didn't even deal with the point that 8 of the missing players would have been true Fr unlikely to contribute at all.

Another way to look at it is that a "normal" program would lose 20-25 players per year to graduation and transfer even under the old rules. That would make UT's 35 ten more than "normal"... again 8 are missing Fr... leaving you two guys who might contribute.

These guys go 3 deep at DL. They go 3 deep at rush end. They go 2.5 deep at DB. They go 2 deep plus guys developing at RB. They have 6 guys who can play at WR and 2 at TE. They have 3 guys they're willing to play at QB... and according to Heupel "feel good about". The OL has 14 or 15 scholarship "bodies". That's about what a team will normally carry. They're developing more depth as the season goes on.

So 10 out of a 44 2 deep is almost a quarter of your contributors.
Except that's simply not true. Not counting guys who left football, were disciplined, went pro, or ran out of eligibility... who left who is clearly better than the person who fills that spot now?

RB? Neither Gray nor Chandler is better than Evans. They might compete with Small but Small was passing Chandler last year.

QB? Nope.

OL? Jahmir Johnson would be nice to have. Morris never played like a 5* for UT... now he's a back up for OU. Wright who the last staff kind of wrote off as a LT... is playing better each week. Probably should have been there from the start.

TE?

WR?

DL?

DE?

Secondary?

At LB you have Henry T but what did Crouch ever do at UT that was better than Banks is playing right now?

And it really shows up with the Oline
Yet they "patched together" an OL that just set a UT rushing record... right? And no, MU isn't a great D... but they aren't close to the worst D UT has played even in this very season.

and back 7 on D.
Who? Who was lost through the portal who would be helping the secondary right now? It could get pretty scary next year... but I've seen UT secondaries that were both less talented AND thinner. And looking around at the teams UT is expected to compete with this year... I don't see better two deeps.

Granted Heupel and his staff have worked a miracle transformation with this program, and they deserve all the respect in the world for pulling it off so far but realize that depth this year and likely for the next 3 years moving forward is and will be an issue.
Talent is an issue in spots now. They've managed around it often. They're developing guys. But that pretty much is what it is. If they get the most they can out of the roster then that's a big win.

Moving forward, they have to be great in the portal for the next two years. Winning and generating buzz in the media and confidence around the program will help that a lot.

HS recruiting is a different animal for a lot of reasons. They need the NCAA stuff resolved. That will help. They need to convince better players to come to UT in a highly competitive environment.


I think Heupel realized from the start that there are no excuses or "Year Zero" passes. He has to put a product on the field that sells what he's doing.[/quote]
 
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Unless they are growing players in a lab we are still down 15-20 scholarship guys on the roster.

Vols really need to bring in 7-10 transfers and recruit 17-20 highschool kids to get the roster at least to 80 for next season.

Tennessee is NOT down 15-20 scholarship players. They have 80 players on scholarship right now today. They have 71 players that can return in 2022 and if all do return, means they can only bring in 14 new players. Of course, all 71 will NOT return but I would be shocked if they lose enough players to bring in the numbers you stated.
 
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UT is down 14 scholarship players and again... all from the development years.

And so what if they were "saved" by the Covid Super Srs... that doesn't change the talent LEFT ON THE ROSTER. You don't play with or worry about the guys who are gone. You coach and field the team you have. According to 247's composite... UT is 7th in the SEC... not last... not close to last. UT has 29 total 4/5* players. USCe has 23. Ole Miss has 20. UK has 21. MU has 9. Vandy has 5.

You can argue ifs, buts, and caveats but UT is not currently a depleted roster with no one to enable good coaching to field a competitive team.

Unless my math failed me, if all the guys listed here recently as Srs leave UT will have 81 scholarship players if they use all 25 scholarships available. I don't know all the rules but UT may be able to back count some guys after taking only 17 last class.

The key is the portal. Heupel has to win there. The more he wins THIS YEAR WITH THIS ROSTER the better his case is to portal players.

You haven't shown that. You didn't even deal with the point that 8 of the missing players would have been true Fr unlikely to contribute at all.

Another way to look at it is that a "normal" program would lose 20-25 players per year to graduation and transfer even under the old rules. That would make UT's 35 ten more than "normal"... again 8 are missing Fr... leaving you two guys who might contribute.

These guys go 3 deep at DL. They go 3 deep at rush end. They go 2.5 deep at DB. They go 2 deep plus guys developing at RB. They have 6 guys who can play at WR and 2 at TE. They have 3 guys they're willing to play at QB... and according to Heupel "feel good about". The OL has 14 or 15 scholarship "bodies". That's about what a team will normally carry. They're developing more depth as the season goes on.

Except that's simply not true. Not counting guys who left football, were disciplined, went pro, or ran out of eligibility... who left who is clearly better than the person who fills that spot now?

RB? Neither Gray nor Chandler is better than Evans. They might compete with Small but Small was passing Chandler last year.

QB? Nope.

OL? Jahmir Johnson would be nice to have. Morris never played like a 5* for UT... now he's a back up for OU. Wright who the last staff kind of wrote off as a LT... is playing better each week. Probably should have been there from the start.

TE?

WR?

DL?

DE?

Secondary?

At LB you have Henry T but what did Crouch ever do at UT that was better than Banks is playing right now?

they had to count transfers taken as part of the 2021 class so they have no room to back count anyone. Rules before the new portal rules were transfers counted as initial counters.
 
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Tennessee is NOT down 15-20 scholarship players. They have 80 players on scholarship right now today. They have 71 players that can return in 2022 and if all do return, means they can only bring in 14 new players. Of course, all 71 will NOT return but I would be shocked if they lose enough players to bring in the numbers you stated.
Thanks Larry but your math worked out different than what I had earlier. I may have been using the "if all the Srs leave" number.

Do you know how many of the 80 came to UT as scholarship players?
 
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Thanks Larry but your math worked out different than what I had earlier. I may have been using the "if all the Srs leave" number.

Do you know how many of the 80 came to UT as scholarship players?

Dayne Davis is the only walk-on who got a scholarship. All the others came as scholarship players.

Super seniors has been confusing to me. I just got clarity this week on it.
 
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