Depth/Talent vs. Discipline

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VN, simple question: is it possible for our football team to have discipline despite our depth/talent problems?

I'm seeing this a LOT on this board --- Someone (like Basillo) will say that "we lack discipline." Someone else will respond that "you've got to give CDD time b/c we lack depth and talent." Are these things mutually exclusive?

I'll hang up and listen.
 
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I think there is overlap, which is why there is so much confusion around here on if it is a coaching or talent problem. Over the last couple of days I can find 50 different threads that say the same thing over and over again.
 
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More or less, think of it this way. Do you teach your child in the first year only and they are disciplined from there on out? No, it is an issue of do it over and over until it is pounded into their thick skulls. Then, hopefully by the time they are 18 and leave your oversight, they will have learned about 20% of the discipline they will need in their life.
 
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manfromtn said:
More or less, think of it this way. Do you teach your child in the first year only and they are disciplined from there on out? No, it is an issue of do it over and over until it is pounded into their thick skulls. Then, hopefully by the time they are 18 and leave your oversight, they will have learned about 20% of the discipline they will need in their life.
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I agree. But that's kind of the point maybe I'm getting at -- who is supposed to teach our kids? Is discipline something that is taught in high school and REINFORCED in college or are these highly rated kids out of high school so undisciplined that you have to start over all over at the next level? And at what point in the season do you expect youthful mistakes to stop before it's an issue of DISCIPLINE more than YOUTH?
 
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Yes, lack of penalties shows discipline on part of the players.

Other than the substitution issues, I haven't seen too much issue other than the fact that we just suck.
 
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There is only so much time to teach blocking, tackling, route running, pass coverage, special teams, discipline and on and on. A more experienced team doesn't need the time for coaching all of these things.
 
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PMC2726 said:
VN, simple question: is it possible for our football team to have discipline despite our depth/talent problems?

I'm seeing this a LOT on this board --- Someone (like Basillo) will say that "we lack discipline." Someone else will respond that "you've got to give CDD time b/c we lack depth and talent." Are these things mutually exclusive?

I'll hang up and listen.
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I don't think discipline is that big an issue. Penalties are not the only indicator but that is one indicator of a disciplined team and we are near top of conference in least penalized.

We lack talent, like Art Evans versus Julio Jones (and no other corner on the roster can do better than Evans). so we get beat based on less talent. Doens't mean we aren't playing with discipline.
 
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couple it with DD apparently having to develop his staff as well as players.
 
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well he is keeping them out of jail so I say discipline is improving.
 
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One measure of discipline is the number of little injuries that players could claim to get out of playing and practicing. Watched this happen this weekend while doing the chains for my son's middle school team. His team is good, lots of hard hitting, talented 13 year olds. The other team wasn't so hot and well, lets say, by the end of the game there were a bunch of players sitting on the sidelines with generic "my leg hurts" kind of complaints. Point is, I don't think we're seeing that with our young Vols. Our injured list has stayed about the same level each week and players are working to get back on the field, even though no one would question someone who took a medical redshirt now so they could play when we had more of that depth and talent later. This shows there is discipline, heart and desire on our young team--that is why I am encouraged for the future.
 
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PMC2726 said:
VN, simple question: is it possible for our football team to have discipline despite our depth/talent problems?

I'm seeing this a LOT on this board --- Someone (like Basillo) will say that "we lack discipline." Someone else will respond that "you've got to give CDD time b/c we lack depth and talent." Are these things mutually exclusive?

I'll hang up and listen.
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Youth is the problem with "discipline". Dooley has had to throw alot of guys into the fray loooooonnng before they were ready. Some of the other guys he's had to depend on weren't very good to start with, ie Shaw, V Thomas.
 
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Depth is the key to any football team. I will bet any of you that our team plays more starters on special teams, than any other team in the conference. The type of discipline I'm talking about is not the little yellow hankies on the field. I think our team is pretty sound in that reguard, but when our young men get tired and the mental focus is not what it should be and our troubles really show up. Take the LSU game for example, if our LT and LG block down and our FB kicks out the LB on that 4th and 1 we could have possibly ran out the clock. Then, on the last play Reviez is barely chipped in the hole and stumbles or he makes that play for no gain.

Many of you can say all you want to that our team is not well coached, but I challenge you to watch those games again and you will see. They are many times in the right position to make the play, but that is where the break down is, they are not making the plays. You can coach talent, but you can not create it. Now, many of you will say we are not recruiting good enough talent to win, but when I look at the recruiting sites our average is 3.11 stars and the highest is 3.84, so I believe we are going to be a top 15 class come signing day with some surprises. Unless some of you think Justin Worely is a actual 3 star, you sir are as smart as some of these people giving out the stars.
 
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look at it this way
a- we just need new players, so sick of phil's players
b- good players are disciplined, they aren't rated high for nothing
 
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I would say it is inexperience and lack of depth more than anything. We hang with just about everyone till the second half. A lot of dissipline is taught by older players with experience and knowledge of how to win at this level
 
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