Demote (but not fire) Sunseri....

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If Dooley wins out (including bowl game) and somehiw manages to stick around, what would VN think about possibly demoting Sunseri and picking up a soon-to-be available bona fide DC like, say, Van Gorder from Auburn? No way does Chizik survive this season... Even if not Van Gorder there will certainly be some good position (and coordinator) coaches available. UT's offense is good enough to play in the SEC but we gotta fix the D (spare me the captain obvious jokes here...) in order to win these games that haven't gone our way...
 
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I want a new coach, but talking of defense we are really in a catch 22... When we fire SunSeri and go back to a 4-3 scheme I think we will have a shortage of d-lineman; however, if we get a proven 3-4 coord then we have a ton of youth at the LB spot... What do you do? I think we just have to get a D coord who can get coaches that can coach players up. Our secondary has gotten worse not better this year. Keeping SunSeri as LB coach probably isn't a great idea either unless he truly just loves UT and fully accepts that role. Hard to demote coaches unless they are interm.
 
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Its really hard to 'demote' someone and keep them in the same organization. leads to problems. The only way it would work is if Sal truely is over his head and simply can't communicate his wishes to the coordinators and players. Sometimes people just simply aren't good teachers. If this is the case, and HE recogonizes it, then it can work, because he would be willing to "demote" knowing he couldnt handle the "head" position. Don't know if thats the problem or not. He sure seems to have the fire and energy. It is puzzling. Don't know if its coaching, or players not performing. ??????
 
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I was looking at it from the perspective of retaining CSS for his (yet to be proven at UT) recruiting prowess as well as saving the buyout money.... I agree that if we switch horses now back to a straight 4-3 it would be a setback. I realize we don't run a conventional 3-4 but that may be more a function of not having personnel mire than anything else.... I'm just fliating an idea out there in the event that Dooley stays... My bet is that if UT wins out he'll get another year.
 
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If Dooley gets ousted that would unfortunately mean everyone gets ousted as well.

The only assistants that are worth retaining are Graham and Pittman but, unfortunately for them, the ultimate decision would be on the HFC. The incoming HFC should have full staff control of the team.
 
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DC Vol said:
If Dooley gets ousted that would unfortunately mean everyone gets ousted as well.

The only assistants that are worth retaining are Graham and Pittman but, unfortunately for them, the ultimate decision would be on the HFC. The incoming HFC should have full staff control of the team.
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My scenario here is predicated in Dooley winning out and sticking around... If he gets the gate all bets are off.
 
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So you'd be willing to pay two people D-coordinator money, but only one of them will actually coordinate? It's possible to demote Sal in theory, but he has a contract that says he's going to be paid 'X' amount, and that won't change just because his responsibilities do.
 
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bamawriter said:
So you'd be willing to pay two people D-coordinator money, but only one of them will actually coordinate? It's possible to demote Sal in theory, but he has a contract that says he's going to be paid 'X' amount, and that won't change just because his responsibilities do.
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Honestly... Yeah. I'm probably wrong here but if it worked out in terms if wins next year it would prive to be a bargain consudering what the buyouts for an entire staff would wirk out to be...

As an aside... I'm starting to see why the leftists in this country like spending other peoples money so much... It's a lot of fun!!!
 
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We aren't going to pay our LB coach $800,000, and go hire a new DC, and keep this current HC who will cost us revenue again next year.

It's our fault for hiring an under qualified DC.
 
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Can he be demoted? If so, if he balks does that mean no buyout? Something for the new guy to consider...
 
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UTvolinBGKY said:
Our problem has nothing to do with lineman/lb's or lack there of, its ALL in the defensive back field.
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Sorry but I don't totally agree. I don't think we're much better than 12th or so in the SEC in sacks. Our D-line rarely disrupts the QB and when we do, our line fails to contain the QB and he's able to run for easy yardage. Honest question, How many sacks do Corey Miller, Jacques Smith, et al have? We don't have anyone approaching a Clowney or Jarvis Jones.

But yes agree that our secondary is atrocious. Coleman shows flashes occasionally but B.Moore, Gordon, Teague, and even PWag are pretty bad.
 
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One of the reasons we got in this mess with Dooley is Hammy wanted Chaney and Lance retained by the next HC. That closed a lot of doors.
 
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cd12 said:
Can he be demoted?
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He can be given a lesser position, but he cannot be forced to accept less money than his contract guarantees.

If so, if he balks does that mean no buyout?
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If the step down in position is a deal-breaker for him, then he can quit and lose his buyout. But if UT were to insist on a pay cut along with the demotion, and he refuses to sign the new deal, then they'd have to fire him and pay the buyout.
 
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bamawriter said:
He can be given a lesser position, but he cannot be forced to accept less money than his contract guarantees.



If the step down in position is a deal-breaker for him, then he can quit and lose his buyout. But if UT were to insist on a pay cut along with the demotion, and he refuses to sign the new deal, then they'd have to fire him and pay the buyout.
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So if Coach X comes in and wants Sal as lb coach, you can keep your $$ and he says no thanks then no buyout?
 
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cd12 said:
So if Coach X comes in and wants Sal as lb coach, you can keep your $$ and he says no thanks then no buyout?
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Basically, yeah. He's only owed the buyout if UT terminates his contract. If a new coach wanted to keep him at the same salary, then UT would not have terminated his deal.
 
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So OP wants to fire/demote our DC and hire a guy who gave up 63 last week and is a nut case... Bold strategy Cotton
 
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