Deficit up 17%

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#576
luthervol said:
lol.....you seem to have misinterpreted. I said equitable sharing of the burden. That may be the exact opposite of a head tax. If it brings you comfort, I could accept a small head tax as a small portion of the tax structure.
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Everyone paying the same is the most equitable.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm not digging a deeper hole, you just aren't getting the answers for which you are obviously fishing.
There's been plenty of times in my household when he decided to incur an additional expense (car, vacation, finishing the basement) and we increased our revenue accordingly. Simple concept.
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I will take a guess that you did something to increase your revenue and that you didn't just take the extra money you needed from others at the end of a gun?
 
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luthervol said:
Sure they do. They protect your life and your property.....and your earning potential.
You should give more to the volunteer fire department than do people with less to risk.
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The bold is key. Should means I don't have to, it's my choice.
 
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McDad said:
You gave me percentages. Very easy to spitball. Im for all the reduction you can fathom. Ive asked for the real number (in dollars) your percentages represent. You still have nothing. Change of tax code is part of your plan. I asked if that was factored because i saw no increase in revenue based on your idea. When asked directly, you said "sure, i guess". I suspect you dont really want to know how long your "plan" will take to pay off 22T.

Stick to teaching kids. You're out of your depth here.
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Who cares? Don't you get the point? If it takes 36, 72, or 108 years, you still have to stop going further into dept and then start working your way out of dept. No manipulation of the numbers is going to change that fundamental concept. If I did teach children, I'm confident they would be able to get that concept faster than you evidently can.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm not digging a deeper hole, you just aren't getting the answers for which you are obviously fishing.
There's been plenty of times in my household when he decided to incur an additional expense (car, vacation, finishing the basement) and we increased our revenue accordingly. Simple concept.
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Who did you tax to make up the extra income needed? Lol.
 
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hog88 said:
I will take a guess that you did something to increase your revenue and that you didn't just take the extra money you needed from others at the end of a gun?
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I increased my revenue through legal, reasonable, rational, and equitable ways.
 
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hog88 said:
We use the roads and the fuel taxes we pay cover our "fair share". If you are shipping you are paying so that is a false statement.
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Only fuel taxes pay for roads, bridges, street lamps, intersections, pavement? Literally all transportation infrastructure is paid for strictly by taxing fuel?

And it was only an example. There are more. I would love to hear how somebody worth $1M has less to lose than someone making minimum wage. It’s a simple fact that the millionaire has more skin in this whole game than a McDonalds worker. Internet access infrastructure, mail, etc. Taxes go to a lot of things that some use more than others.

And on top of that, I agree that in the aggregate the bottom of the earning pool are coming out ahead at the expense of those at the upper. I’m simply saying it isn’t “as unfair” as maybe you think it is.

It’s a simple truth that the market doesn’t treat everyone equally and and doesn’t start everyone at the same point from birth. It’s also a simple fact that some have more at stake than others if this whole thing comes crashing down or defense breaks down. That’s the way it is and it isn’t perfect. But it’s the best there is.
 
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luthervol said:
Not even remotely true.
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Fair (in your opinion) isn't the same as equitable. I understand why you are using the word. It is a nice nuance.

Even 5 year olds understand equitable when it pertains to what they must contribute or relinquish. Try passing out candy to them based on their needs. Or asking them to give a portion of their candy based on their means.
 
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rjd970 said:
Only fuel taxes pay for roads, bridges, street lamps, intersections, pavement? Literally all transportation infrastructure is paid for strictly by taxing fuel?

And it was only an example. There are more. I would love to hear how somebody worth $1M has less to lose than someone making minimum wage. It’s a simple fact that the millionaire has more skin in this whole game than a McDonalds worker. Internet access infrastructure, mail, etc. Taxes go to a lot of things that some use more than others.

And on top of that, I agree that in the aggregate the bottom of the earning pool are coming out ahead at the expense of those at the upper. I’m simply saying it isn’t “as unfair” as maybe you think it is.

It’s a simple truth that the market doesn’t treat everyone equally and and doesn’t start everyone at the same point from birth. It’s also a simple fact that some have more at stake than others if this whole thing comes crashing down or defense breaks down. That’s the way it is and it isn’t perfect. But it’s the best there is.
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My understanding of the gas tax paid at the pump is it is designated for roads, bridges, tunnels, etc. However, I think the corrupt use it as a slush fund from which they embezzle for other non-transportation uses.

Here's a question I'd like to get your perspective on: If a millionaire has more at stack than a McDonalds employee, shouldn't the millionaire have weight given to their vote?
 
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McDad said:
Fair (in your opinion) isn't the same as equitable. I understand why you are using the word. It is a nice nuance.

Even 5 year olds understand equitable when it pertains to what they must contribute or relinquish. Try passing out candy to them based on their needs. Or asking them to give a portion of their candy based on their means.
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I would hope that a 5 year old sitting there with a bag of candy would give a piece or two to the kid sitting next to them without any.
 
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luthervol said:
I would hope that a 5 year old sitting there with a bag of candy would give a piece or two to the kid sitting next to them without any.
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After that you take 90% of what’s left in the bag a distribute to those unwilling to do anything for their own candy.
 
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So, for anyone who is willing to chime in, let's take the abstract and make it more concrete. Let's say the McRib and I meet your criteria for wealthy. We are both college graduates. Established in our careers. In the highest earning phase of our life (45-60) and own rental property.

How are you going to increase my tax liability by raising rates?
 
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McDad said:
My understanding of the gas tax paid at the pump is it is designated for roads, bridges, tunnels, etc. However, I think the corrupt use it as a slush fund from which they embezzle for other non-transportation uses.

Here's a question I'd like to get your perspective on: If a millionaire has more at stack than a McDonalds employee, shouldn't the millionaire have weight given to their vote?
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In a perfect system they should, I would agree with that.

I would also add that they do anyway in this system. The biggest political donors and PACs have more influence than Joe the Plumber. Politicians are bought and paid for every election.
 
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McDad said:
Fair (in your opinion) isn't the same as equitable. I understand why you are using the word. It is a nice nuance.

Even 5 year olds understand equitable when it pertains to what they must contribute or relinquish. Try passing out candy to them based on their needs. Or asking them to give a portion of their candy based on their means.
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luthervol said:
I would hope that a 5 year old sitting there with a bag of candy would give a piece or two to the kid sitting next to them without any.
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You used the term give.

When people do not do the right thing on their own, society sometimes has to step in. If the kid continually refused to give on their own, I would imagine a teacher would eventually have to step in and establish classroom policies and procedures.
 
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