Deficit up 17%

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lawgator1 said:
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Yeah I should not feel entitled to keep the money I earned. How stupid of me.
 
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luthervol said:
That is as true as this: It's not the schools, it's the dumb, lazy, unmotivated students who undervalue the importance of an education.
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You cannot deny that private schools provide a more than adequate learning environment..... many of which are less expensive on a per student basis than the public system ..... even if you're biased due to you being a teacher's aide
 
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Carl Pickens said:
You cannot deny that private schools provide a more than adequate learning environment..... many of which are less expensive on a per student basis than the public system ..... even if you're biased due to you being a teacher's aide
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A lot of that probably has to do with home life and parental support. If you send your kid to private schools, you're much morelikely to push them to take it seriously. You're much more likely to be involved in the system. Public school's biggest problem is probably the fact that the majority of parents don't make education a priority and aren't involved. They look at the public school system as free gov't-paid baby-sitting.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
A lot of that probably has to do with home life and parental support. If you send your kid to private schools, you're much morelikely to push them to take it seriously. You're much more likely to be involved in the system. Public school's biggest problem is probably the fact that the majority of parents don't make education a priority and aren't involved. They look at the public school system as free gov't-paid baby-sitting.
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I don't deny that. The point I'm trying to make is that "private" schools are more than capable of providing a good education. Loother seems to think only the government is capable of such
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I don't deny that. The point I'm trying to make is that "private" schools are more than capable of providing a good education. Loother seems to think only the government is capable of such
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I would agree with that. I also agree at an ideological and rational level that private sector could do it cheaper due to more expertise and less bureaucracy. I just don't think that the example you used makes those points.

The problem that Luther will more than likely have in defending his liberal ideals will be blaming the education system's failures on home/family/parent life/culture investment to defend public school system while blaming society and capitalism for generational poverty. He seems to want to protect a socialist institution by blaming personal accountability then throw that personal accountability away when trying to show the evils of inequality of outcomes.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I don't deny that. The point I'm trying to make is that "private" schools are more than capable of providing a good education. Loother seems to think only the government is capable of such
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Once again, this gets a little monotonous, I never once said private schools are incapable of providing a good education, of course they are. What I have said is that private schools are incapable (and unwilling) to provide a good education to everyone....thus, the need for public schools. That's sort of the whole point. You guys crack me up with your constant chasm between what you think is being said and what is actually said.
 
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luthervol said:
Once again, this gets a little monotonous, I never once said private schools are incapable of providing a good education, of course they are. What I have said is that private schools are incapable (and unwilling) to provide a good education to everyone....thus, the need for public schools. That's sort of the whole point. You guys crack me up with your constant chasm between what you think is being said and what is actually said.
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If everyone paid the tuition I bet they could do it
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Im guessing you think Harvard Business should be free too.
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You would be incorrect,

How Aid Works | Harvard College

"In fact, approximately 70 percent of our students receive some form of aid, and about 60 percent receive need–based scholarships and pay an average of $12,000 per year. Twenty percent of parents pay nothing. No loans required."
  • Aid is based entirely on need, not merit.


Seems as if Harvard has it figured out and created their own little "mini" government.
 
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luthervol said:
You would be incorrect,

How Aid Works | Harvard College

"In fact, approximately 70 percent of our students receive some form of aid, and about 60 percent receive need–based scholarships and pay an average of $12,000 per year. Twenty percent of parents pay nothing. No loans required."

Seems as if Harvard has it figured out and created their own little "mini" government.
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Make Asians and whites pay more and pay “native Americans” to teach.
 
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luthervol said:
You would be incorrect,

How Aid Works | Harvard College

"In fact, approximately 70 percent of our students receive some form of aid, and about 60 percent receive need–based scholarships and pay an average of $12,000 per year. Twenty percent of parents pay nothing. No loans required."

Seems as if Harvard has it figured out and created their own little "mini" government.
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It almost sounds like you're making an argument for private education.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It almost sounds like you're making an argument for private education.
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No one is stopping the next Harvard. If there were no need for public education, we wouldn't have public education.

In case you didn't see my edit:
  • Aid is based entirely on need, not merit.
 
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luthervol said:
No one is stopping the next Harvard. If there were no need for public education, we wouldn't have public education.

In case you didn't see my edit:
  • Aid is based entirely on need, not merit.
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That's easy for you to say. That's like the mafia saying,"If there was no need for this protection racket, there wouldn't be a protection racket."

Remember all those times you were reminded that you need to rationally ground an argument, and is==ought is a logical fallacy?

Yah. You it's still true.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
That's easy for you to say. That's like the mafia saying,"If there was no need for this protection racket, there wouldn't be a protection racket."

Remember all those times you were reminded that you need to rationally ground an argument, and is==ought is a logical fallacy?

Yah. You it's still true.
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lol...I vaguely remember you rambling on about something nonsensical.

We need more Harvards.
  • Aid is based entirely on need, not merit.
 
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luthervol said:
No one is stopping the next Harvard. If there were no need for public education, we wouldn't have public education.

In case you didn't see my edit:
  • Aid is based entirely on need, not merit.
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Why do we need more Harvard’s? A school that admits on skin color and not merit. Why isn’t everyone afforded the same opportunity for aid?
 
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C-south said:
Why do we need more Harvard’s? A school that admits on skin color and not merit. Why isn’t everyone afforded the same opportunity for aid?
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I'm not the one that brought up Harvard as the shining example. I just agreed.

Everyone is afforded the same opportunity. The criteria is need.
 
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luthervol said:
No one is stopping the next Harvard. If there were no need for public education, we wouldn't have public education.

In case you didn't see my edit:
  • Aid is based entirely on need, not merit.
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So let's "educate" the "needy" kids, and tell the smart ones that they can pay up or dig ditches. Your philosophy put into practice will ensure that America lags behind other parts of the world... and kids from other countries that come here to study. Government in action.
 
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