Defensive Question? RE: our secondary

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BigSteve09

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Why not move Waggner back to safety, where he's had experience, and move some other guys around at corner.

I know we're not stacked anywhere in the secondary, but whenever the opposition needs a conversion or a big play they're going over the top and testing our safeties.

I think Sal has proven that the current set-up is Swiss cheese, why not take a chance moving some guys around back there?
 
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Yeah exactly.

It's like they're nonexistent, so we might as well make some adjustments, no matter how haphazardly they are made.

Put Moore at CB sometimes and just make him jam the WR, it won't make a difference.

Put Wagg at safety and let him take a shot at the assignments.

Something.
 
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DB is one of the easiest positions to transition from high school to college, with the other being RB, It can be fixed by getting Von Bell and maybe Mckenzie in recruiting. For instance, The coaches instruction to a new DB coming into the VOLS program should be" Cover that guy. Don't let him catch the ball." However, our secondary coaches are unproven(they have proven that they suck) and can't coach. We need better db coaches and a few more db's that can tackle , or at least take a good angle to the ball carrier. Front 7 is not playing too bad
 
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We have virtually nothing at safety except a freshman. He needs a spring practice under his belt. Some time with Coach Mac as well. Waggner is "better" at corner. But bad overall. At safety he is to small and slight. You don't want him running the alley. Other than Moore being terrible at safety our biggest problem on D is underneath coverage by linebackers. This is the worst pass coverage maybe ever. I think it also hurts our offense to an extent. In practice it has to be easy as hell getting open. Then in the games it is a difference story. We must get better at linebacker and in the secondary. The scheme works. We need players that can make it work.
 
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I heard it said best yesterday..... Wilcox did a good job of hiding our weaknesses, while Sal is doing a good job of exposing them.
 
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for the remainder of the season, I think we can take some chances given the state of the program and where the season is.

Why not put something on the field that the opposition hasn't seen yet? They know that we're going to play stubborn on 1st and 2nd down so power football is a lost cause. Then the spread the ball out and convert a 3rd down. By the end of the drive the safeties are standing still with their heads spinning. The same can be said of the game as a whole. Early on they're in it, or at least the offense keeps them in it. Then the opposition knows that they need a big play, drive, score, so they take to the air and challenge our safeties over the top. They run some TE or WR right at Moore and the receiver blows by him, cuts inside for a conversion, cuts outside and avoids a tackle, or makes a post out of it and scores.

Time to give someone else a shot back there.

Unleash chaos in the secondary, have everyone running around. Confuse them. If we're going to be confused we might as well be running all over the place.
 
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I would like to see anyone with arms playing in the secondary. Byron Moores arms dont work at all. Would someone WRAP THE FAULK up when you go to tackle somebody.
 
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KingtUT said:
I heard it said best yesterday..... Wilcox did a good job of hiding our weaknesses, while Sal is doing a good job of exposing them.
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Post of the year. Sal plays a pressure man to man scheme. It requires players who make plays. Not excuses. You can not play this defense if you can not get off of blocks upfront and get to the ball. It will take time to get the right guys in place.
 
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PimpVol said:
Post of the year. Sal plays a pressure man to man scheme. It requires players who make plays. Not excuses. You can not play this defense if you can not get off of blocks upfront and get to the ball. It will take time to get the right guys in place.
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I agree, but you'd think that Sal would AT LEAST make some adjustments that fall in line with what we've got right now.

I understand that he wants to get his system laid out correctly, then plug in the pieces, but we don't have those pieces. He needs to show some flexibility in his game.
 
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PimpVol said:
We have virtually nothing at safety except a freshman. He needs a spring practice under his belt. Some time with Coach Mac as well. Waggner is "better" at corner. But bad overall. At safety he is to small and slight. You don't want him running the alley. Other than Moore being terrible at safety our biggest problem on D is underneath coverage by linebackers. This is the worst pass coverage maybe ever. I think it also hurts our offense to an extent. In practice it has to be easy as hell getting open. Then in the games it is a difference story. We must get better at linebacker and in the secondary. The scheme works. We need players that can make it work.
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Agree. AJ johnson may be a good LB but he is no where near as good as Dools makes him out to be. He is just too slow and the bad thing is he would make Herman Lathers look like hes standing still if they raced. I like Hermans attitude but his skills are limited to put it nicely.
 
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KingtUT said:
I would like to see anyone with arms playing in the secondary. Byron Moores arms dont work at all. Would someone WRAP THE FAULK up when you go to tackle somebody.
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Byron Moore is the worst safety ever. He is singlehandedly losing games. Sal's D has had him in position to have 10 picks by now. He is not attacking the ball in the air. He is dropping back while routes break in front of him. He is not reading the qb and breaking on routes. We are getting terrible play from the safety spot. Last line of defense must be a great player. We need one.
 
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I can say one thing. Byron moore cannot tackle or cover. There was one play saturday that he was still guarding his man in coverage as a back ran around him for a TD.

EDIT " mental note read all posts before posting myself.
 
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KingtUT said:
Agree. AJ johnson may be a good LB but he is no where near as good as Dools makes him out to be. He is just too slow and the bad thing is he would make Herman Lathers look like hes standing still if they raced. I like Hermans attitude but his skills are limited to put it nicely.
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Johnson has to learn to read run/pass MUCH quicker. He gets caught staring at the backfield while the man he is covering gets out into his route. Now we are left hoping Moore covers for him. :eek:lol: . Which in turn leaves wideouts in one on one coverage. Lathers is even worse on coverage. MSU game winner was on him. Lost the tightend from the snap. Easy pickins'.
 
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PimpVol said:
Byron Moore is the worst safety ever. He is singlehandedly losing games. Sal's D has had him in position to have 10 picks by now. He is not attacking the ball in the air. He is dropping back while routes break in front of him. He is not reading the qb and breaking on routes. We are getting terrible play from the safety spot. Last line of defense must be a great player. We need one.
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Moore and Brewer are both slow but I think Brewer tackles better. After Moore wiffed on the 3rd and 26 play for a TD, I just knew we wouldnt see him for the rest of the game, I was wrong. No excuse for that play, no excuse for losing to KY last year, no excuse for not being able to win at least 1 of the games that weve lost, NO MORE EXCUSES FOR DOOLEY. Its time for a change even though I wish it wasnt. I wanted Dools to be the man, its just not going to happen.
 
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KingtUT said:
I would like to see anyone with arms playing in the secondary. Byron Moores arms dont work at all. Would someone WRAP THE FAULK up when you go to tackle somebody.
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He also always seems to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, arrives late, bad angles, poor wrap-up technique. Who has the main assignment for covering the tight end in the middle with our scheme? Of course we always look lost and confused but someone in the know please advise. Is the linebacker handing off to the safety or what?

Also on third and long - why don't we sub more athletic linebackers to get deeper drops?
 
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hopefully dools if he is still our coach can sell this to some DB recruits. that they are the piece we need to make this Defense right.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Who has the main assignment for covering the tight end in the middle with our scheme? Of course we always look lost and confused but someone in the know please advise. Is the linebacker handing off to the safety or what?

Also on third and long - why don't we sub more athletic linebackers to get deeper drops?
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When the tightend is on the line of scrimmage, normally the middle linebacker has him. When he is flexed out in the slot the outside backer normally takes him. The underneath defender (lb's) should re-route the seam (te/slot) and then play the curl area. The safety then picks up the seam route over the top. To the qb, it should appear as if there is not anywhere to throw the ball because the safety is on top and the backer is underneath. The problem is quick recognition of run/pass. Our linebackers take too long to drop into coverage. The tightend is now running free at the safety too early. Now the integrity of the defense is ruined. Nobody is where they belong. Good qb's can pick it apart. Great ones will kill it. You saw Shaw just wait on the TE to clear. He knew it was going to be there. All he needed was time.
 
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PimpVol said:
When the tightend is on the line of scrimmage, normally the middle linebacker has him. When he is flexed out in the slot the outside backer normally takes him. The underneath defender (lb's) should re-route the seam (te/slot) and then play the curl area. The safety then picks up the seam route over the top. To the qb, it should appear as if there is not anywhere to throw the ball because the safety is on top and the backer is underneath. The problem is quick recognition of run/pass. Our linebackers take too long to drop into coverage. The tightend is now running free at the safety too early. Now the integrity of the defense is ruined. Nobody is where they belong. Good qb's can pick it apart. Great ones will kill it. You saw Shaw just wait on the TE to clear. He knew it was going to be there. All he needed was time.
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This is true if and when were in a zone coverage. Too often though our LB's (as slow as they are) are left in man to man coverage against either a RB or the TE and we are just begging for someone to make a big play when that happens. I dont know what the answer is, but I dont feel bad about it because neither does the guy were paying a million dollars.
 
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Its pretty simple when you think about it. Our front 3 or 4 isnt good enough to pressure the QB or stop the run on its own, our secondary isnt good enough to cover anyone man to man, our LB's are too slow to make any tackles on the outside unless its 10 yards down field and too slow to cover RB's and TE's across the middle or down the field, our DC (in an attempt to cover our weaknesses) is calling stunts at what seems to always be at the wrong time, add all this up and you give up about 42 points a game. Pretty easy to see whats happening.
 
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KingtUT said:
Its pretty simple when you think about it. Our front 3 or 4 isnt good enough to pressure the QB or stop the run on its own, our secondary isnt good enough to cover anyone man to man, our LB's are too slow to make any tackles on the outside unless its 10 yards down field and too slow to cover RB's and TE's across the middle or down the field, our DC (in an attempt to cover our weaknesses) is calling stunts at what seems to always be at the wrong time, add all this up and you give up about 42 points a game. Pretty easy to see whats happening.
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