Defensive Backs- Same 'ol same 'ol

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Last night, as 3rd stringer Kevin Craft was marching UCLA downfield, I heard one of the announcers make the comment, "I don't know why the defensive backs are playing so far off." Has he ever seen Tennessee play before? I would like to refer back to 2 comments I posted last season:

"You can throw on UT all night long. You've always been able to throw on us. Go back and look at season after season. Other teams always have receivers that are WF open, no one within 5-10 yards of them. You can connect on 10 yard passes anytime you want on us. Beginning of the 4th quarter it seems we automatically go into some type of bizarro prevent defense and let people just march right down field. Simple fact, our D Backs suck. Year after year."

and,

"If the opposing team can just throw the ball right down field using 5-15 yard passes, then they don't need a BIG PLAY! The short ones work just as well!"

Tennessee got worked over last night by third string UCLA quarterback, that was so inexperienced he threw 4 interceptions in the 1st half, yet still managed to complete 25 of 43 (almost 60%), threw for 259 yards and connected for the go-ahead touchdown with less than 30 seconds left, after marching his team all the way downfield with less than 2 minutes to go in regulation.

Doesn't the old saying go, "Those who don't learn from the past are destined to repeat it."? Obviously our defensive backs, John Chavis and Larry Slade (Defensive Backs coach) still haven't learned a thing from the past. Truth be told, they probably never will.
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SF_VOL said:
Last night, as 3rd stringer Kevin Craft was marching UCLA downfield, I heard one of the announcers make the comment, "I don't know why the defensive backs are playing so far off." Has he ever seen Tennessee play before? I would like to refer back to 2 comments I posted last season:

"You can throw on UT all night long. You've always been able to throw on us. Go back and look at season after season. Other teams always have receivers that are WF open, no one within 5-10 yards of them. You can connect on 10 yard passes anytime you want on us. Beginning of the 4th quarter it seems we automatically go into some type of bizarro prevent defense and let people just march right down field. Simple fact, our D Backs suck. Year after year."

and,

"If the opposing team can just throw the ball right down field using 5-15 yard passes, then they don't need a BIG PLAY! The short ones work just as well!"

Tennessee got worked over last night by third string UCLA quarterback, that was so inexperienced he threw 4 interceptions in the 1st half, yet still managed to complete 25 of 43 (almost 60%), threw for 259 yards and connected for the go-ahead touchdown with less than 30 seconds left, after marching his team all the way downfield with less than 2 minutes to go in regulation.

Doesn't the old saying go, "Those who don't learn from the past are destined to repeat it."? Obviously our defensive backs, John Chavis and Larry Slade (Defensive Backs coach) still haven't learned a thing from the past. Truth be told, they probably never will.
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absolutely true, how can our corners lay off 7-10 yards when we have 2 of the best safeties in the league. they should be sticking to them like glue. i don't know how many times i saw them be 5 yards from the receiver, then back up another 5 yards. especially in the 2nd half. there was no in the middle to pick the tide end. Norm chow saw this and kept calling the same play over and over and we couldn't adjust. Chavis is a moron.
 
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I reallt believe we are better in the secondary but it's the smae old coaching...where did the pressure from the first half go? do we not play 2 halves? if i recall the interceptions were caused by some pressure...why in the world do we lay off in the secod half. why when UCLA has the ball on the 3 does McCoy play 7 yards off in the endzone and let the TE run a 5 yard route and catch a TD right in fron of him. we will be luck to get to .500 this year...how can we suck so bad from last year....where are all the Ainge bashers now?
 
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You're probably right I40VOL. I've given it a lot of thought today and realize that it's probably not the secondary's fault. They did look pretty good in the first half. They're just running the defense that is called in and doing what they're told to do...BY THE COACHES!!!!!!!!! So instead of directing my fury at the D-Backs (although they oughta know better and make the adjustments themselves), I will re-route it entirely to Chavis and Slade. Our Defense issues fall entirely on their shoulders....they are to blame!
 
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I cannot believe this thread isn't bigger. This is a huge problem with our team. And it seems that some people just shrug it off.

Who the hell is calling this crap??
 
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I honestly can't say that the players on the field lost that game or didn't do their part. I can't imagine how frustrating it may be to give up ~ 138 yards through 3.5 Quarters to only have your Coaching Staff tell you to give up 150 yards in 6 minutes by giving up 5-10 per play. They weren't even given a chance.
 
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kev20 said:
:horse: look in any number of other threads on this board.
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We need to beat that horse some more then cause this stuff never changes. Slade should have been gone 6 years ago. Chavis oh Chavis when will he ever learn. We made changes on offense last year now its time for a house cleaning on the defense if not the whole staff.
 
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SF_VOL said:
Last night, as 3rd stringer Kevin Craft was marching UCLA downfield, I heard one of the announcers make the comment, "I don't know why the defensive backs are playing so far off." Has he ever seen Tennessee play before? I would like to refer back to 2 comments I posted last season:

"You can throw on UT all night long. You've always been able to throw on us. Go back and look at season after season. Other teams always have receivers that are WF open, no one within 5-10 yards of them. You can connect on 10 yard passes anytime you want on us. Beginning of the 4th quarter it seems we automatically go into some type of bizarro prevent defense and let people just march right down field. Simple fact, our D Backs suck. Year after year."

and,

"If the opposing team can just throw the ball right down field using 5-15 yard passes, then they don't need a BIG PLAY! The short ones work just as well!"

Tennessee got worked over last night by third string UCLA quarterback, that was so inexperienced he threw 4 interceptions in the 1st half, yet still managed to complete 25 of 43 (almost 60%), threw for 259 yards and connected for the go-ahead touchdown with less than 30 seconds left, after marching his team all the way downfield with less than 2 minutes to go in regulation.

Doesn't the old saying go, "Those who don't learn from the past are destined to repeat it."? Obviously our defensive backs, John Chavis and Larry Slade (Defensive Backs coach) still haven't learned a thing from the past. Truth be told, they probably never will.
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I put this on Chavis! Our DB's are just doing as they are told. We have the talent to "challenge" receivers with tighter coverage, but for some reason, Chavis's philosophy is to back them off. :no:
 
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I don't think you can place as much blame on the actual players as you do the coaches. First three quarters, the secondary was solid. It wasn't until we went to the prevent defense that we started getting picked apart underneath. I hold Chavis much more responsible than the secondary. If the defensive scheme calls for you to be lined up 7-10 yards off the receiver, what can you do?
 
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I bet Florida would love to see the same scheme. I thought that we played off recievers because secondary has been a weak spot for us the last few years. They are supposed to be a strength this year, but it is the same soft coverage.

We are still horrible on 3rd and longs. I have no idea why we can't get pressure on 3rd and long. We have 2 coaches dedicated to the defensive line, and they still can't get back there. Maybe it's time to drop one of those guys and dedicate someone to special teams. The only thing worse that the 4th quarter coverage was the special teams.
 
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GreatWhiteNorth said:
I don't think you can place as much blame on the actual players as you do the coaches. First three quarters, the secondary was solid. It wasn't until we went to the prevent defense that we started getting picked apart underneath. I hold Chavis much more responsible than the secondary. If the defensive scheme calls for you to be lined up 7-10 yards off the receiver, what can you do?
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You blame the players for missed tackles (though it's evident of poor coaching in the off-season) and blown coverages (again).

The D gave up 150 yards in 2 possessions... surpassing what they gave up in 3.5+ Quarters... because they ran the schemes the DC told them to run. That isn't the players.
 
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Norm Chow just had his qb take what Tenn D was giving them and Chavis made no changes to stop them , He was trying to get pressure with defensive line . hard to do that when Bruins recievers were running 5-10yd routes,If I remember correctly he called one blitz with Wilson and got the sack , we brought no pressure off the corners at all . Same Defensive scheme from Chavis that we have all seen for years , read and react . I thought Chavis would allow our secondary to be more physical and take away the short passes and make Craft keep throwing over the top like first half .
 
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Chavis should have said "You blitz all night if they gain a single yard I'm taking every last one of you out." it worked on Rember the Titans it should have worked at the Rose Bowl too.;)
 
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ledhed43 said:
I bet Florida would love to see the same scheme. I thought that we played off recievers because secondary has been a weak spot for us the last few years. They are supposed to be a strength this year, but it is the same soft coverage.

We are still horrible on 3rd and longs. I have no idea why we can't get pressure on 3rd and long. We have 2 coaches dedicated to the defensive line, and they still can't get back there. Maybe it's time to drop one of those guys and dedicate someone to special teams. The only thing worse that the 4th quarter coverage was the special teams.
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I didn't know that UT played any kind of coverage when they played UF.
:eek:lol:
 
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If Tennessee played a team, named "The kings of short passes and dinks and dunks", from a city, called "5 yard out", that drove down a highway, called "The 4 yard slant", on a bus, nicknamed " Hooks and Curls", to get to Knoxville, John Chavis would still incorporate his prevent defense in the 4th quarter of this game. This man refuses to listen to reason and will in no way,shape,form, or fashion ever change his style of playcalling. The word that usually comes to mind when I meet a person like this is " Dumba_s ". Some things will never change and, apparently, some AD's will never make a change. Fire Foolmer and his puppets, as well as Mike Hamilton, and things might start looking brighter in the future. Our athletes are plenty capable, it's the coaches leading this team that are holding us back.
 
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I40VOL said:
I reallt believe we are better in the secondary but it's the smae old coaching...where did the pressure from the first half go? do we not play 2 halves? if i recall the interceptions were caused by some pressure...why in the world do we lay off in the secod half. why when UCLA has the ball on the 3 does McCoy play 7 yards off in the endzone and let the TE run a 5 yard route and catch a TD right in fron of him. we will be luck to get to .500 this year...how can we suck so bad from last year....where are all the Ainge bashers now?
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not trying to take up for the coaches because the d they called prob had McCoy playing to deep but he was really slow at reacting to the play also. The TE already had the ball before McCoy made a move towards him.
 
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few questions.

is it coaching when you see a DB line up 7 yards from a receiver and then in the last seconds back up 5 more yards? that happened a bunch in the 2nd half and especially on the 2 touchdown drives. is that coaching or is that the player's decision? also, should the safeties tell the cornerbacks to play a tighter man coverage??
 
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The secondary was ok. Actually they were pretty darn good. Our linebackers were TERRIBLE!!! The dink and dunk passes were all thrown to guys getting covered by linebackers. I also really dont feel like blaming the linebackers either. Noone has seemed to mention that our senior tailback with a history of game changing fumbles, what do ya know fumbles on first and goal from the six. Our defense and secondary gave us every chance to win. Poor execution and that damn fumble cost us the game. That fumble was a major turning point in the game. Then on the other hand i will blame coaching on the delay of game on a great kick by Lincoln. Coaches AND PLAYERS should have been on top of whats goin on i mean they had 40 sec!!!!!
 
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thatswhatshesaid said:
The secondary was ok. Actually they were pretty darn good. Our linebackers were TERRIBLE!!! The dink and dunk passes were all thrown to guys getting covered by linebackers. I also really dont feel like blaming the linebackers either. Noone has seemed to mention that our senior tailback with a history of game changing fumbles, what do ya know fumbles on first and goal from the six. Our defense and secondary gave us every chance to win. Poor execution and that damn fumble cost us the game. That fumble was a major turning point in the game. Then on the other hand i will blame coaching on the delay of game on a great kick by Lincoln. Coaches AND PLAYERS should have been on top of whats goin on i mean they had 40 sec!!!!!
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Chavis had them in a Zone Defense on those 2 TD drives. They weren't covering any one player, but a zone (area) of the field.
 
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