Defending Fulmer

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#1,501
Bigun said:
I think the point most of us are trying to make is that it wasn't going to get better under Fulmer without Cutcliff coming back.

And your hate for Dooley is misplaced and quite embarrassing. He came from LaTech and took them to their first bowl win before having tons of injuries his last year and had a tough season making his record a losing one. He's rebuilding UT football and starting with a strong foundation like the VFL program. However you seem so attached to Fulmer that you can't let go and realize that he is gone, there are other coaches who can and will get it done, if given the time.

Dooley has alot tougher road to get UT back than what Phil did in the 90's. That's not taking anything away from Fulmer. It wasn't his fault the SEC sucked at the time and what was he supposed to do? Not win? However trying to rebuild in the SEC now when you have 3 teams in the West ranked in the Top 10 and the previous years NC isn't one of them not to mention perennial powers UGA and UF along with last years East champion USCjr, it will be a grind.

However I, and even most in this thread who support Fulmer, can see that Dooley is the right guy to lead the turnaround. Except you seem to be openly hostile toward him for some reason.
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I don't hate Dooley, but back to his record at LA Tech...It wasn't appreciably better than the previous coaches and was in fact worse than Crowton.

Dooley- '05-'07 .459 winning percentage
Bicknell- '99-'06 .453 winning percentage
Crowton- '96-'98 .618 winning percentage


I just think he wasn't deserving of the Tennessee job..
Hambone went the cheap route...
 
#1,502
#1,502
vol_in_il said:
I don't hate Dooley, but back to his record at LA Tech...It wasn't appreciably better than the previous coaches and was in fact worse than Crowton.

Dooley- '05-'07 .459 winning percentage
Bicknell- '99-'06 .453 winning percentage
Crowton- '96-'98 .618 winning percentage


I just think he wasn't deserving of the Tennessee job..
Hambone went the cheap route...
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Given the circumstances at the time of the hiring, do you really think UT could have done much better than Dooley?
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Big Orange 1 said:
I mean at some point the new regime will have 'their' recruits, their people in place, and their system in place and will have to be accountable. Right?
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Won't matter.....even should this happen.....the Phil Bashers will still need to prop up their egos, and will never admit to having lost anything with Fulmer....they learned their game plan from the Flat Earth Society.

In any case As much as a "I told you so" would be fun....i never want to see that....I want Dooley to turn out to be the reincarnation of General Neyland himself...
 
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#1,506
vol_in_il said:
I don't hate Dooley, but back to his record at LA Tech...It wasn't appreciably better than the previous coaches and was in fact worse than Crowton.

Dooley- '05-'07 .459 winning percentage
Bicknell- '99-'06 .453 winning percentage
Crowton- '96-'98 .618 winning percentage


I just think he wasn't deserving of the Tennessee job..
Hambone went the cheap route...
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The same thing could have been said of Fulmer when he took Majors job coming off of 2 SEC Titles in three years. That worked out pretty well.

vol in il can gripe about Dooley all he wants but if Hammy had hired Butch Davis would we be better off now?
 
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#1,507
Bigun said:
The same thing could have been said of Fulmer when he took Majors job coming off of 2 SEC Titles in three years. That worked out pretty well.

vol in il can gripe about Dooley all he wants but if Hammy had hired Butch Davis would we be better off now?
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We'll know in 3 years, but personality wise still prefer Dooley.....and how he has methodically gone about making improvements instead of "selling" an idea, he's building one. I never would have chose him going in cause how many of us knew about him? But I like the man...and so far I like just about all of his decisions.
 
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Bigun said:
The same thing could have been said of Fulmer when he took Majors job coming off of 2 SEC Titles in three years. That worked out pretty well.

vol in il can gripe about Dooley all he wants but if Hammy had hired Butch Davis would we be better off now?
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those are facts about dooley...
 
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DarthVisor said:
Given the circumstances at the time of the hiring, do you really think UT could have done much better than Dooley?
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They were stuck with mid-major level coaches. Probably could have made a little sexier hire, but there's no doubt the Saban connection and Muschamp recommendation went a long way.
 
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GAVol said:
They were stuck with mid-major level coaches. Probably could have made a little sexier hire, but there's no doubt the Saban connection and Muschamp recommendation went a long way.
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Agreed. I don't think UT made a bad hire, especially with the circumstances surrounding the circumstances. I think it will turn out to be a good hire.
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#1,520
#1,520
DarthVisor said:
Given the circumstances at the time of the hiring, do you really think UT could have done much better than Dooley?
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Causation.

The first hire, "the worst in SEC football in 60 years" necessitated the second hire, and the way the second hire had to be conducted.

Ergo, we return full circle. Had we not fired Fulmer, you would not be enjoying your greatest year ever, which, by your own admission, was failure.
 
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utgibbs said:
Causation.

The first hire, "the worst in SEC football in 60 years" necessitated the second hire, and the way the second hire had to be conducted.

Ergo, we return full circle. Had we not fired Fulmer, you would not be enjoying your greatest year ever, which, by your own admission, was failure.
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The worst in 60 years? So you mean there was a worse hire?

No, 13-13 is not failing. 152-52, now that sucks.
 
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utgibbs said:
Causation.

The first hire, "the worst in SEC football in 60 years" necessitated the second hire, and the way the second hire had to be conducted.

Ergo, we return full circle. Had we not fired Fulmer, you would not be enjoying your greatest year ever, which, by your own admission, was failure.
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I would love to see the post where I said that our past season was a failure.
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Big Orange 1 said:
The worst in 60 years? So you mean there was a worse hire?

No, 13-13 is not failing. 152-52, now that sucks.
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It would be hard to imagine a worse hire in the history of college football - one less suited to his new environment. I believe punditry has been using the "60 years" phrase.
 
#1,525
#1,525
utgibbs said:
You have said many times only Championships matter. All else if failure.

Hope you enjoyed the summer of failure.
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Of course they matter. But, where have I said that all seasons without championships are failures? I think kpt is right about you; you just pull shat out of your arse.
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